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THC in pipe resin more or less than bud? Any reason more heady?

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What is THC content of pipe resin, more or less than the weed smoked? I have heard people say both, so facts only here.
Does it produce a different head/body high ratio than the buds? maybe more/less cbds accumulate or something.
Thanks.
 
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I couldn't exactly say if it's more or less but it can be very potent at times in my experience. At times it seems like the THC can build up to more than bud can, but other times it's weaker. It just really depends on what you've been smoking and how long you've been letting the resin accumulate. I received my piece from a friend of mine and it was nearly clogged with resin when I got it, when it was at that point I only needed to hit the bowl (Nothing packed in it, just heating up the resin inside) and I would only need one or two hits to get really high. After I cleaned it out I was scraping my resin everytime I ran out of bud and it wasn't nearly as potent, I would need about 2-3 small rock hard resin balls to get stoned. Now I'm letting the resin in my bowl build back up and currently I am smoking this really potent indica that I only need one hit of to get really stoned, there should be a good bit of resin when I'm done with my bud and I predict that it will be fairly potent.
 
You just had to be that guy, didn't you, Ian?


And here I thought we were all silently agreeing to let this thread die peacefully into irrelevance...
 
Physics suggests that resin should have a lower THC:CBD ratio, since THC boils at 157C and CBD at 180 (though some sources indicate it's boiling point may be lower) - the heat of the burning weed will vaporize all of the cannabinoids that don't undergo combustion, but the ones that are less volitile should condense more readily on the walls of the pipe. I'm not sure how large an effect this is, since the overall process is probably effected more by mass transport between the smoke stream and the boundary layer along the walls of the pipe, and this should be similar between the two.

This suggests that, if anything, resin should produce less of a head high than the weed that created it, since higher THC:CBD ratios are associated with a headier high - but the effects should be largely similar to the weed from whence it came.

HOWEVER, if the cannabis has high levels of THCV (levels vary from near trace, up to >50% - so this greatly depends on which strain you have), which partially blockades CB1, this effect might be reversed, since THCV has lower boiling point than THC.

In addition to this, we have some confounding effects:
* Strength of resin varies greatly depending on where in the pipe it is taken from, due to different levels of particulate contamination - this makes it easy to get higher than expected, which might throw off estimates of how heady the weed is.
* It's widely observed that cross tolerance between different strains of weed is not complete - and since the resin probably came from multiple batches of weed, it could seem stronger or different for that reason
* When you are desperate enough to smoke what is generally considered a waste product, you're probably dry, and may not have been smoking as much (or at all) lately, for lack of weed - which could lower tolerance a bit and thus and lead to a stronger headier high.

So, to recap - there is definitely physical justification for this effect, but it could go either way depending on the weed, and the postulated mechanism may not actually be significant.
 
Jibult said:
You just had to be that guy, didn't you, Ian?


And here I thought we were all silently agreeing to let this thread die peacefully into irrelevance...
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Man, don't hate... It's something I found interesting too due to the different causes of how potent resin can be in comparison to bud.
Plus I was really stoned and bored and could relate to the topic so why not.
 
Smoking the resin in question isn't that much more "dirty" than creating the (at least) tens of carcinogenic compounds that you usually do through smoking herb
 
Ho-Chi-Minh said:
Smoking the resin in question isn't that much more "dirty" then creating the (at least) tens of carcinogenic compounds that you usually do through smoking herb
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It kind of is, you're re-burning the heaviest constituents of the smoke along with lots of lovely ash and tar that doesn't evaporate with direct flame.


Also, try denying that the taste isn't dirty, go on....
 
I don't know, but I bet that it doesn't make a difference health-wise for people who smoke even occassionally

I don't smoke weed for the taste:p
 
TheAzo said:
Physics suggests that resin should have a lower THC:CBD ratio, since THC boils at 157C and CBD at 180 (though some sources indicate it's boiling point may be lower) - the heat of the burning weed will vaporize all of the cannabinoids that don't undergo combustion, but the ones that are less volitile should condense more readily on the walls of the pipe. I'm not sure how large an effect this is, since the overall process is probably effected more by mass transport between the smoke stream and the boundary layer along the walls of the pipe, and this should be similar between the two.

This suggests that, if anything, resin should produce less of a head high than the weed that created it, since higher THC:CBD ratios are associated with a headier high - but the effects should be largely similar to the weed from whence it came.

HOWEVER, if the cannabis has high levels of THCV (levels vary from near trace, up to >50% - so this greatly depends on which strain you have), which partially blockades CB1, this effect might be reversed, since THCV has lower boiling point than THC.

In addition to this, we have some confounding effects:
* Strength of resin varies greatly depending on where in the pipe it is taken from, due to different levels of particulate contamination - this makes it easy to get higher than expected, which might throw off estimates of how heady the weed is.
* It's widely observed that cross tolerance between different strains of weed is not complete - and since the resin probably came from multiple batches of weed, it could seem stronger or different for that reason
* When you are desperate enough to smoke what is generally considered a waste product, you're probably dry, and may not have been smoking as much (or at all) lately, for lack of weed - which could lower tolerance a bit and thus and lead to a stronger headier high.

So, to recap - there is definitely physical justification for this effect, but it could go either way depending on the weed, and the postulated mechanism may not actually be significant.
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damn dude this was a pretty well thought out and written reaponse to a question I was just gonna answer as "it doesnt get you as high but its nice to have when youre out kf weed"
 
Jibult said:
You just had to be that guy, didn't you, Ian?


And here I thought we were all silently agreeing to let this thread die peacefully into irrelevance...
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Well certainly this thread deserves more attention no? =D

On the topic of Black Gold... a question that always has to be asked, do you smoke tobacco along your weed? I have found that as a volume %, resin definately has more nicotine in it. Don't know about mass because I've never actually weighed it, but you can definately pack a higher mass of resin in your pipe than you can pack plant matter. Personally I might start with, let's say a bowlful of plant material, it just about fits the bowl perfectly without pressing it too compactly. Now I run this same plant material through my pipe, accumulating more than plenty of resin on the way, scraping everything with a piece of iron thread. When I'm done, I notice that once the plant material is combined with resin and put back in the pipe, it isn't full anymore! It now takes only ~50% of the bowls space, all the active ingredients are much more densely in there and there's more actives compared to carrier substrate such as plant material.

I always get a mild overdose of nicotine when I smoke the resin from a pipe that has been used to smoke a mixture of cannabis and tobacco, therefore I feel it's much more 'heady'.

Also in short: resin has a higher % THC than weed, but also much more unhealthy constituents. Every time you smoke cannabis think that what you're doing is extracting the actives from the plant material to your lung, along with some impurities. Part of this extract is left behind on the walls of your pipe and over time, it accumulates. When you put this 'extract' back into your pipe to smoke it, you are essentially creating an even more refined extract. Extract that has different ratios of active alkaloids compared to the original plant material: the more volatile ones are gone and the more robust ones will be more plentiful in comparison.
 
Don't I know about the tobacco in the pipe part!
Getting the last dregs from a hash/tobacco pipe load last night gave me massive nico-throat, like chewing a nicorette for 3 hours.
 
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