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Does LSD's Novelty Effect Ever Wear Off?

Alexander Shulgin said:
It depends on how long you keep up that pace, but, for me, the main thing that will determine the effects is still set and setting rather than frequency of use when I am tripping often. If you do the same things in the same place every time you take lsd, you're trips will be less exciting. Try doing something different. Walk through the woods. Dance. Have sex. Lay motionless in a quiet, dark room. Trip with others. Trip alone. Trip at night. Trip during the day. Try a different dose. Smoke some cannabis. Listen to music. Watch a movie. Read a book. Maybe try shrooms instead every once in a while.

But overall, tripping twice a month doesn't seem too often. Just don't expect the drug to do the work for you. You have to figure out how to make it consistently interesting.
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totally agree. the most memorable recent trips are the ones where i was in new situations. different setting, different people-things like that
 
definitely depends on the person, i've gone through periods where i tripped 2-3 days a week for up to a year at times and never really got bored with it. At that point though your tolerance gets too high and whatever psych you are using basically becomes a stimulant with some small psychedelic qualities to it. When i trip every weekend my visuals just die out on my trips but i still can have a pretty intense shift of consciousness, it's mostly for recreation tho (listening to music, watching movies, doing normal things but being high).

if it weren't for tolerance and conditioning, i'd think LSD would be an interesting experience no matter how many times u did it.
 
I think the goal is to integrate all those things you listed into your sober life without repeatedly taking a drug to reach that place. There are multiple ways to do this: meditation, mindfulness, etc. I recommend you read the Tao and related writings to help you.

As far as chemical help goes I've found nootropics (specifically racetams) to help reduce my anxiety as well as do all the things you've mentioned, definitely worth checking out.

Like others have said above, the novelty of tripping in general does wear out if you do it too frequently.
 
The novelty doesn't wear off IMO. I was using it, at one point in my life, 2 to 3 times per week (at just 1 or 2 hits) for months. It never lost its novelty.

I doubt I would ever use it again, but even the last time I used it, the novelty of it was definitely there.

It is unlike MDMA where the magic can go away, even with responsible usage.
 
RobotRipping said:
definitely depends on the person, i've gone through periods where i tripped 2-3 days a week for up to a year at times and never really got bored with it. At that point though your tolerance gets too high and whatever psych you are using basically becomes a stimulant with some small psychedelic qualities to it. When i trip every weekend my visuals just die out on my trips but i still can have a pretty intense shift of consciousness, it's mostly for recreation tho (listening to music, watching movies, doing normal things but being high).

if it weren't for tolerance and conditioning, i'd think LSD would be an interesting experience no matter how many times u did it.
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I'm very interested in the kind of shift in consciousness it can still provide after repeated use- how would you describe it?
 
I'd be wary of thinking any drug to be a silver bullet such as that. It tends to be a recipe for failure. Not that psychedelics can't help people with certain psychological problems, they most certainly can, but such frequent administration is likely not going to remain viable in the long term. Plus two weeks may not necessarily be enough time to fully integrate one's experience.

In the realm of retaining novelty it gets a bit complicated. Personally I feel that yes the novelty can wear off, but it can return. The locus coeruleus is stimulated during the acute effects of LSD (and other psychedelics i imagine), and it is generally regarded as being the "novelty center" or what have you. Whether this stimulation is a result of direct pharmacological action of LSD or more a consequence of the subjective experience of tripping is not know, if those two things are even distinguishable... I think that part of the novelty of tripping is that it is a state far removed from your normal day to day waking state, and as the tripping state becomes more common, it is then by definition less novel. This also jives with my personal experience. I've found that as the psychedelic headspace becomes more familiar, the novelty factor does decrease, as it seems it would have to by definition, however i'm sure this varies at least somewhat between individuals.

I generally use psychedelics at a maximum of once every two weeks, however these days it is usually much longer between trips than that due to a variety of factors. And i also use a veritable pharmacopoeia of substances as well, many of which are new to me or that i have not visited in quite a while, or i'll be testing a new (to me) combination of substances in a low dose, etc etc. This does help mitigate the loss of novelty, albeit not entirely. But in certain circumstances it's something i'm willing to sacrifice for my curiosity about structure activity relationships and the variety of types of experiences these things offer. However nothing is quite like a strong trip after a lengthy break from psychedelics. And as always, YMMV.

Hope that helps!
 
As someone with a lot of experience with LSD, I don't know that tripping twice a month indefinitely is a good idea. If you're talking low doses it might be fine but if you're talking heroic doses then that's going to be a problem for you down the road. LSD antagonizes many different kinds of receptors in the brain. That's bound to be exhausting neurochemically, and it's going to cause permanent perceptual changes in your reality that you might not be expecting.

Just be prepared for that.
 
sansansan said:
Enneagram 5? You think that beeing permanently drugged is the solution?
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I hope not, but the idea (now that you bring it to my attention) is that I would have a few insightful experiences that would let me see my personal struggles in such a way so as to completely eliminate this sort of thinking.
 
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Anyo said:
I hope not, but the idea (now that you bring it to my attention) is that I would have a few insightful experiences that would let me see my personal struggles in such a way so as to completely eliminate this sort of thinking.
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Yes, i guess using acid for that is ok, well we all know acid was used for that in past (present as well?). Now using acid or any other drug to run away from something is not the real solution IMHO (in normal cases) and can even deteriorate your personality. Imagine a enneagram 9 addicted to heroin, it's going to be a even stronger shot in the foot.


EDIT: hmmmm i meant, acid was used by psychologists in the past to treat patients, Grof, etc and who nows, today was well.
 
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Anyo said:
I'm very interested in the kind of shift in consciousness it can still provide after repeated use- how would you describe it?
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basically tripping without the visuals lol, that's the best, i can't describe the shift in consciousness itself, it's ineffable to me. It's like i'm on a different wave length than usual and my senses are flooded with input and the inputs get mixed up. Basically i end up, feeling 'weird'

the visuals don't mean much to me, sometimes i can't see they hit me so hard, so it's really just distracting, its' that inner trip i'm after. Even with weekly dosing, that shift in consciousness can only be achieved through high dosing. Think 5-meo-dmt, no real visuals but massive shift in consciousness, from the individual to the whole. If you've ever tried it i think you'll know what i mean.

that kind of experience never gets old, to me at least. scares the shit out of me sometimes though.
 
RobotRipping said:
basically tripping without the visuals lol, that's the best, i can't describe the shift in consciousness itself, it's ineffable to me. It's like i'm on a different wave length than usual and my senses are flooded with input and the inputs get mixed up. Basically i end up, feeling 'weird'

the visuals don't mean much to me, sometimes i can't see they hit me so hard, so it's really just distracting, its' that inner trip i'm after. Even with weekly dosing, that shift in consciousness can only be achieved through high dosing.
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To be clear; would you say that shift in consciousness can still happen after weekly dosing? I just took a lick of the residue in the baggie I received my hit in and although I didn't experience any trip, I did experience a slight shift in consciousness whereby the thoughts have less power to skew my perception of reality and identity, letting my mind and facial muscles finally relax after weeks of continuous tension. This is all I'm really after.
 
Anyo said:
To be clear; would you say that shift in consciousness can still happen after weekly dosing? I just took a lick of the residue in the baggie I received my hit in and although I didn't experience any trip, I did experience a slight shift in consciousness whereby the thoughts have less power to skew my perception of reality and identity, letting my mind and facial muscles finally relax after weeks of continuous tension. This is all I'm really after.
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yes i am saying that but it won't be as profound as a full trip, just as you describe. If you did a high dose though, even twice weekly you still get that big shift in consciousness, wouldn't say it's as profound though but it's there.
 
Anyo said:
How? What if it helps you accept what you can't change?
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Some stuff you really can't change, while others is just your ego that doesn't want to change. It's up to you to figure out if you can or can not change. Getting out of comfort zone is not easy tough.
 
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