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Opioids Methadone W/D just a few questions

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millercb96

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I've been taking methadone about 2 weeks before that a lot of percoset and opana about 60mg of perc and up to 80mg of opana a day now I'm taking methadone which in my opinion is so much better due to the fact that your not w/d in 5 hours or so I'm curious on how long until I feel w/d if i took my last 30mg yesterday and can't get any more until about 12- 1 AM tonight. If I haven't been specific on a few things please tell me, I'm new to this. Any comments are appreciated.%)
 
Some people can go 48 hours without feeling any meth w/d's. Me personally i start to feel them after about 28
 
yeah its different for everyone. personally i started feeling withdrawal after about 18 hrs but i have a really fast metabolism. The usual is around 24 hrs but its not hardcore withdrawal just starting to get annoying and the sneezing etc.
 
It greatly varies from person to person and depends on the way your body metabolizes methadone, the dose you're taking (higher doses last longer) and your tolerance (like if you are taking just enough to alleviate withdrawals or a dose higher than your tolerance that gets you "high"), as well as how long you've been taking it and how often you are used to taking it.

So it's really impossible to say given all those variables, but the rough average under normal circumstances is usually considered to be around 24 hrs or so. But the withdrawals come on much more gradually than with shorter-acting opioids and can take up to a week to peak and be at their most severe.
 
Mr.Scagnattie said:
Yeah, methadone is a real bitch that way. How you doing with being off it dancer?
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Not great :(. It's been months now and I don't notice much improvement. I was on it for so long, so it's really not unusual to have horrible long-lasting PAWS. I guess I haven't been posting about my problems on the forum very much because I am a cheerleader for people wanting to get off it and don't want them to feel even more afraid to stop taking it. But I urge anyone taking it to NOT stay on it for a long time, it gets MUCH harder to get off the longer you've been on it.
 
Takes me like 2-3 days to feel "real" w/d from methadone...after one day I am uncomfortable, but not full blown w/d.
 
I've been on 140mg/day for about 1 year now and am thinkinbg of coming off. I have a trip coming up and may not be able to get take home doses for it also. I'm thinking of taking half of my sunday take homes and saving the rest for the next 2-3 weeks and then trying to ration that out to last me 5 days away.

I figure I can stock up 280mg's and try to make it last 5 days. It would be ablout 55mg per day. But being as I'd be coming offf 140mg per day, anyone know how I'd feel? Would the w/d be kept completely away or would I feel noticably uncomfortable for those 5 days?
 
walterdini said:
I've been on 140mg/day for about 1 year now and am thinkinbg of coming off. I have a trip coming up and may not be able to get take home doses for it also. I'm thinking of taking half of my sunday take homes and saving the rest for the next 2-3 weeks and then trying to ration that out to last me 5 days away.

I figure I can stock up 280mg's and try to make it last 5 days. It would be ablout 55mg per day. But being as I'd be coming offf 140mg per day, anyone know how I'd feel? Would the w/d be kept completely away or would I feel noticably uncomfortable for those 5 days?
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I'm not totally clear on what your plan is. Are you going to take 140mg every day except Sundays you will take 70mg? If you only have 2-3 weeks to do that then that would give you 140 or 210 mg saved up. It would take 4 Sundays to save up 280mg. Regardless, assuming you were able to save 280mg, it's pretty hard to know how you'd be feeling on the Sundays when you were only taking 70mg and the 5 days while you were away and taking only 55mg, since everyone is so different, but from my experience I would be hurting and not sleeping during the trip at least. That is brutal if they won't give you carries for your trip :(
 
Methadone WD varies greatly for each individual, but one general statement I can make is that if you're on a lower dosage (60mg and under) you're withdrawals are going to hit you MUCH faster, even if you aren't using other opiates on the side.

When I was on higher dosages of methadone (90-110mg), withdrawals wouldn't really begin to hit me, for about 72 hours. But now, 50mg doesn't even hold me for 24 (though I'm definitely at least partially to blame for that). It also makes a difference whether you've just started methadone (have been on it under a week), or whether you've been taking a consistent dosage for a decent period of time. 30mg of acute methadone is different than 30mg of chronic methadone, as the chronic dose is stacking up upon previous dosages.
 
Let me explain, I have 2 sundays that I plan to save half my dose from, giving me a total of 140 mgs. Then I leave on saturday, when I will take my full doae at the morning in the clinic and get a full 140mg bottle for the next day. That full sunday bottle of 140 + the saved up doses of 140, would have me boarding my flight with 1 dose in me + 280mgs of methadone in my pocket.

I may/may not get carries, I need 90 dauys clean urine to get takehomes for vacations and I don't and won't have that at the time of my trip. Its for biz thos not pleasure so I can ask for an exception, but there no guarantee ill get it.

I was coming off a 1gram+ oxy/day habit when I got on methadone (12-15 80mg oxy's per day) and that first day I was 18 hours into w/d when I got my first 30mg dose. It made me better, not great, but I was OK. And continued to be okay at 40, 50, 60 etc...as they'd only take me up 10mgs per day.

Been on 140mgs for 11 months now, and don't start to feel uncomfortable untill about 28 hours after my dose. I plan to wait as long as possible to take my first 55mg (if I don't get carries) thinking I can wait the longest after a full dose vs after one of my rationed doses later.

Would it be better to wait 48 hours until taking that first 55mg dose? Or should I stay on schedule? My thinking is, 1 of 2 ways: either that the first 55mg dose will feel and work better if I'm already a little sick when I take it. OR conversely, if I take that first 55mg dose exactly 24hours after my prior dose, I will feel better b/c I will still have high levels of methadone in my system....

Any thoughts on the timing and stategy of how to best ration given my *possible* circumstances?
 
walterdini said:
Let me explain, I have 2 sundays that I plan to save half my dose from, giving me a total of 140 mgs. Then I leave on saturday, when I will take my full doae at the morning in the clinic and get a full 140mg bottle for the next day. That full sunday bottle of 140 + the saved up doses of 140, would have me boarding my flight with 1 dose in me + 280mgs of methadone in my pocket.

I may/may not get carries, I need 90 dauys clean urine to get takehomes for vacations and I don't and won't have that at the time of my trip. Its for biz thos not pleasure so I can ask for an exception, but there no guarantee ill get it.

I was coming off a 1gram+ oxy/day habit when I got on methadone (12-15 80mg oxy's per day) and that first day I was 18 hours into w/d when I got my first 30mg dose. It made me better, not great, but I was OK. And continued to be okay at 40, 50, 60 etc...as they'd only take me up 10mgs per day.

Been on 140mgs for 11 months now, and don't start to feel uncomfortable untill about 28 hours after my dose. I plan to wait as long as possible to take my first 55mg (if I don't get carries) thinking I can wait the longest after a full dose vs after one of my rationed doses later.

Would it be better to wait 48 hours until taking that first 55mg dose? Or should I stay on schedule? My thinking is, 1 of 2 ways: either that the first 55mg dose will feel and work better if I'm already a little sick when I take it. OR conversely, if I take that first 55mg dose exactly 24hours after my prior dose, I will feel better b/c I will still have high levels of methadone in my system....

Any thoughts on the timing and stategy of how to best ration given my *possible* circumstances?
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I see. I wouldn't wait 48 hrs between doses, your methadone levels will have dropped a lot in that time so it would require more methadone that usual just to get the same effects you are used to, let alone if you're only going to be taking half your normal dose. You could maybe wait a bit longer than 24 hrs if you want to make your previous dose really last, but I would not wait until you're in full-blown withdrawals. The 55mg will NOT work better if you're in full-blown withdrawals, if will work worse.

I would really try to convince them to let you have carries for your trip. If it's an important business trip that will help.

If that's simply not possible then 55mg/day is going to be a hell of a lot better than nothing, but you may still have some withdrawals between doses, difficulty sleeping, etc - especially on the later days of your trip (since at the beginning you will have more of the built-up methadone in your system).
 
That's what I was thinking too, but I remembered how bad the w/d was wen I took my first dose of methadone, only 30mg's, and it made a world of differencce. But that was coming off a short acting opiate...coming off chronic methadone that I'm used to now and have levels of in my system may be different. In that case it may behoove me to keep my levels high as long as possible. (I used to get high from the methadone in the begining and so maynbe this is why I got relief from 30,40, 50mgs....and sincce I don't get high now, maybe this is why 55mgs may not work like the lower doses used to)
 
Also would loperemide/immodium help compensate for the lower dose of methadone or would potentiators work better?
 
walterdini said:
Also would loperemide/immodium help compensate for the lower dose of methadone or would potentiators work better?
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I never found either loperamide or common potentiators to make all that much difference for me, but many people do so maybe someone else will chime in. I think loperamide mainly helps with physical withdrawal symptoms like diarrhea or nausea, and I don't know if you'll get those type of symptoms too badly, from my experience it is more likely to be insomnia, anxiety, depression, restlessness, maybe night sweats/chills etc, from taking 55mg instead of 140mg. But it's so hard to predict, you might be ok. It's just a pretty drastic dose drop to have to do for 5 days when you've become used to 140mg. Did you take only half your prescribed dose on Sunday? And if so how did it go?
 
I didn't....I tried and failed. Took half my dose, then my druggie braain took over and somehow convinced my rational self that if I don't get the take homes I can buy and smuggle enough oxy on the plane to keep me from getting ill...or at least enough to make up for the 70mgs I won't have
 
cimitidine usually extends the half-life of some opiates it might work with methadone too, you would probably have to be taking like 400-600 mgs every 6-12 hours or so to keep the enzyme inhibition going but it might help idk how it works with methadone but i would look into it. When i came off methadone i had only been on it for a week at various doses all below 40mg (except for my last dose of 40mg) and i didn't experience any real withdrawals til day three, the other two nights i slept fine. So what you could do if you only have to be gone for 5 days is not dose for the first two days, then take your regular dose(or have of your supply) wait another another two days and take the rest and you should be home free given that you will be home and back at the clinic hahaha.
good luck brotha

just saw your other post.. so nevermind about my plan.. you would have to get a lot of oxy to match your methadone tolerance btw..
 
I recently got off 80mg methadone by switching to high dose oxys/morphine for 10 days, then using a quick taper of suboxone with benzos, clonidine etc.

I don't have much energy weeks later but i just force myself to do stuff like go to the gym. I am sneezing like 50 times a day still though.

You can switch to Oxys or morphine from methadone quite easily, if you have enough!! Methadone is strong shit!
 
Tell me about it, I had same problem a few months ago, but it was a pleasure trip not for biz so there was no chance of me getting takehomes, I went through 50 30mg oxy's in 4 days just to feel well, and had to score 2 grams of dope the last day of the trip to maintain....it wasn't just that the methadone was stronger than oxy, but that I was used to being high 24hours a day. It lasts so long that I had to dose 4 times a day. I was taking 90mgs 4x/day just to replicate the way taking 140mg of methadone had me feeling.

I figure I will know about take home situation by this sunday, so I will save half if I need to this time. And then I will only need to get enough oxy to keep me good for approx 40 hours, roughly how many "high" hours I'd be short due to me not saving 70mgs from last weekend. (Ill still have 210mg's methadone and just need to get an extra day or two of oxy to get me back on track).

I'm also thinking if I don't get the takehomes, then ill call up my old suboxone doctor and explain the situation and either try to get him to rx me the methadone for my trip, or atleast rx me som clonidine, Lyrica, and ambien to treat w/e w/d symptoms I may get. I'd go for the subs, but I'd need to detox for atleast 3 days CT to start taking them and asimply cannot do that)

And then plan C is if I don't get takehomes, Rx's, or oxy's, then stock up on immodium and tagament and try to potentiate as much as possible and then take the immodium when I'm done with all my methadone the last day if needed. B/c there is NOWAY I can score anything where I'm traveling to. And I've scored around the globe--all over USA, mexico, caribbean, spain, holland, rome, eastern europe, australia...so its not like I'm incompetent, this place just aint any good for hard drugs...
 
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