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My seizure and its consequences

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Hello all!

I felt like I needed to share this because of the grevious consequences that I have suffered as a result.

On December 7, some friends were taking me out for dinner. The last thing I remember, I was wondering if I wanted to eat some more. Next thing, I am sitting in an ambulance with an EMT asking me what day it was. I was like WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ASKING ME THAT FOR?!! My friends said "you had a fuckin seizure, that is why!"
Apparently I started twitching and then fell out on the floor with spasms...bit my tongue hard enough to where it is still healing. In the state of Virginia, they automatically suspend your driver's license for six months after a documented seizure. I had to see a neurologist where they gave me an EEG, nerve fuction test, and an MRI. They found nothing and sent me to a psychiatrist, where I had to lie about my drug consumption. Still nothing.

This was the combo I ingested that day and which I believe was responsible for the seizure. I have had no repeats since then.

First off, I have been taking Celexa 40 mg daily for a while. I had just scored 60 tramadols and decided to potentiate them with tagamet, white grapefruit juice, and DXM. I know I ingested at least 6 50mg trams with that other shit. That this combo caused the seizure is the only conclusion that my mind can arrive at after extensive research on the net and consultations with physicians. Now I can't drive, and I live in the middle of nowhere, and my job is saying that just not being able to drive is not good enough to keep me out of work.

In essence I am fucked.

For advice, I would have to warn people NOT to try unfamiliar combinations or portentiators. I sure wish like hell I hadn't.

Peace,

C
 
I know its around this board a lot, but I don't think its a good idea at all to try to potentiate drugs with grapefruit juice. Speaking from experience, I've tried it. Never had a seizure or any reaction more severe than vomiting but personally it just straight up feels gross and unhealthy to do. I'd warn anyone against taking liver enzyme inhibitors for the purpose of trying to get higher.

But yeah. DXM + tramadol can cause seizures. Celexa + DXM is also said to be neurotoxic.
 
Yeah the maximum tramadol dose per day is 200mg, or 4 50mg pills. That is because tramadol lowers the seizure threshold to dangerous levels. You took 6 on top of an SSRI which are notorious for causing complicated and dangerous interactions with other drugs, so given that combo i would pretty much expect anyone to have a seizure, not to mention 40mg of Celexa is also the maximum dose for that drug as well. Also, if you look online at the interaction between tramadol and SSRI's, it is a high risk combo due to increased seizure risk. So unfortunately you pretty much got what you had coming to you, next time i would research the combo first! You're lucky you didn't die, honestly. Those are both nasty drugs to fuck with.
 
Tramadol is a weird drug........I have taken them at the beginning of my pain management & within 6 months, was switched to Vicodin. Tramadol helps some people with pain but it does nothing for my pain. Imo, Tramadol is great for anxiety & depression but you shouldnt use more than 100mgs a day, at least I never have.

I would never take more than 200mg in 1 day, the shit is dangerous & can cause seizures like you have received. You also potentiated with Tagamet which resulted in you having a seizure imo with the 300mgs of Tramadol which is under the 400mgs a day known to be safe & ingesting DXM didnt help either.

I never received pain relief from Tramadol so I stopped taking it 2 years ago. Be safe in the future.............
 
Crashing said:
Yeah the maximum tramadol dose per day is 200mg, or 4 50mg pills. That is because tramadol lowers the seizure threshold to dangerous levels. You took 6 on top of an SSRI which are notorious for causing complicated and dangerous interactions with other drugs, so given that combo i would pretty much expect anyone to have a seizure, not to mention 40mg of Celexa is also the maximum dose for that drug as well. Also, if you look online at the interaction between tramadol and SSRI's, it is a high risk combo due to increased seizure risk. So unfortunately you pretty much got what you had coming to you, next time i would research the combo first! You're lucky you didn't die, honestly. Those are both nasty drugs to fuck with.
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First time my doctor prescribed me Tramadol, he also wanted me to get on an SSRI.......I was like, do you want me to get a seizure, WTF! I swear most doctors are idiots!
 
CrazyC said:
Hello all!

I felt like I needed to share this because of the grevious consequences that I have suffered as a result.

On December 7, some friends were taking me out for dinner. The last thing I remember, I was wondering if I wanted to eat some more. Next thing, I am sitting in an ambulance with an EMT asking me what day it was. I was like WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ASKING ME THAT FOR?!! My friends said "you had a fuckin seizure, that is why!"
Apparently I started twitching and then fell out on the floor with spasms...bit my tongue hard enough to where it is still healing. In the state of Virginia, they automatically suspend your driver's license for six months after a documented seizure. I had to see a neurologist where they gave me an EEG, nerve fuction test, and an MRI. They found nothing and sent me to a psychiatrist, where I had to lie about my drug consumption. Still nothing.

This was the combo I ingested that day and which I believe was responsible for the seizure. I have had no repeats since then.

First off, I have been taking Celexa 40 mg daily for a while. I had just scored 60 tramadols and decided to potentiate them with tagamet, white grapefruit juice, and DXM. I know I ingested at least 6 50mg trams with that other shit. That this combo caused the seizure is the only conclusion that my mind can arrive at after extensive research on the net and consultations with physicians. Now I can't drive, and I live in the middle of nowhere, and my job is saying that just not being able to drive is not good enough to keep me out of work.

In essence I am fucked.

For advice, I would have to warn people NOT to try unfamiliar combinations or portentiators. I sure wish like hell I hadn't.

Peace,

C
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First off, these combinations are not unfamiliar, it's well documented that tramadol should not be mixed with serotonergic drugs such as DXM, MDMA, SSRIs, etc because this combination can cause serotonin syndrome, which in itself can cause seizures.

Another reason these drugs shouldn't be combined is they all lower the seizure/convulsive threshold, and if you push that threshold low enough you may very easily provoke a seizure.

Lastly cimetidine (tagamet), grapefruit juice or any other CYP inhibitors don't work to pontentiate tramadol. The enzymes that convert tramadol into o-desmethyltramadol (the potent opioid) need to be induced not inhibited.

I would say in retrospect, you could have avoided this if you familiarized yourself with these combinations.
 
Chromophobia said:
First off, these combinations are not unfamiliar, it's well documented that tramadol should not be mixed with serotonergic drugs such as DXM, MDMA, SSRIs, etc because this combination can cause serotonin syndrome, which in itself can cause seizures.

Another reason these drugs shouldn't be combined is they all lower the seizure/convulsive threshold, and if you push that threshold low enough you may very easily provoke a seizure.

Lastly cimetidine (tagamet), grapefruit juice or any other CYP inhibitors don't work to pontentiate tramadol. The enzymes that convert tramadol into o-desmethyltramadol (the potent opioid) need to be induced not inhibited.

I would say in retrospect, you could have avoided this if you familiarized yourself with these combinations.
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Good information!

I am pretty damn well aware of it now, but I sure as hell wasn't then. I am a 47 year old who has consumed boatloads of drugs throughout my life without consequences, and I suppose that made me a bit cocky about what I could and couldn't tolerate. It is just my sincere wish that others can think twice before attempting any new combination, regardless of research and experience.

Peace,

C.
 
I had 4 seizures in my life. The first one was a "petit mal" seizure because mixing Tramadol and Codeine without food nor any antiseizure drug. I dislocated my shoulder.
After that, I had 3 more "mild seizures" (falling unconscious on bed and biting my tongue), all because of Tramadol abuse. The doses were always between 500-700mg.
I love the damn drug, I suppose I'm one of the "lucky" ones who metabolizes it nicely to O-desmethyltramadol (M1).

I still do Tramadol from time to time (although I find Codeine worth more with other drugs), but always with at least 40mg of Valium or more. If I don't have any benzo, then I take some Lyrica for my pain which is also pretty good, but less recreational.

Except that, I have did lots of DXM, LSD, RC'S, GBL, etc; and never had any seizure. I suppose you can see my point.
 
Man, you really could not have picked a worse combination of drugs, I am sorry. Next time use this to know what can and can not combine.

http://www.drugs.com/interactions-check.php?drug_list=844-0,2221-0,679-335

However, were you honest with the medical personnel? Because if you told them what drugs you took, suspending your license seems really pointless and unneccessary. The whole point in doing a thing like this is to ensure the safety of yourself and other people. However if they can conclude it was caused by a lapse in judgement, rather than a medical condition, they should have let you continue driving. But I don't live in ths US, so I know nothing about your rules and regulation.

Be more careful next time and I hope that you get you license back or find some other solution to your problem of getting to work.
 
The sorry thing is...I am just such an opiate addict that I am afraid I won't be able to resist a tramadol if I can get one. I know in my heart I won't take anything to potentiate it, that is for sure.

I lied about my drug use for fear of not being prescribed more...I get 150 oxys a month. You would think that is enough.

I still run out like a dumbass.

Doctor did cut celexa in half and I am taking meds as prescribed. I am having a non-addict trustworthy friend dole them out to me.

And delphinen, I am sorry about your numerous seizures....they are such horrifying experiences, I never want a repeat of ANY of this.

And thanks again for all the info, people.

Peace,

C
 
shit if you get that many oxys why do you push it with the tramadol? i know some people really like it but for pain i find codeine is even better than tramadol, so oxycodone would be far better IMO and no risk of seizure.
 
I quick one regarding this. Say you where by yourself and not found by others. Is it possible to have a similar seizure and not realize it. For example you only rem waking up later with no memory of falling asleep? Or is it obvious. Just confirming some experiences. Thanks.
 
blight12 said:
I quick one regarding this. Say you where by yourself and not found by others. Is it possible to have a similar seizure and not realize it. For example you only rem waking up later with no memory of falling asleep? Or is it obvious. Just confirming some experiences. Thanks.
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I didn't realize until the next day. The convulsion left me so tired that I fall asleep easily even with all the pain. So, yes, it is totally possible to not realize it.
 
Ok, thanks. I had this strange event one time, day 4 begins, meth binge, bad side effects, big dose, i was sorta ok, then i woke up maybe 2 hours later breathing really heavily and feeling bad, no pain though so maybe not the same. I would not have ever fell asleep. Anyways, not the same substance but thanks.
 
Flopping out in your fajita platter in a restaurant sorta takes care of the issue with that particular one:)

But I live alone so theoretically I could have had one before. Lord knows I have had ample blackouts in my alcoholic/addict career to justify having a ton of them.

Peace,

C.
 
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