Experienced User's MDMA Questions

[blastronaut]

Hello everyone,
This would be my first time post on this website, and I hope to get some great answers here! I have been reading this Bluelight forever, and have always found insightful responses.

Before I ask my questions, I just want to give some insight on myself and my usage. I am in my later 20's and have been using MDMA quite frequently over the years. Over the last 2 years, I have found myself using pure MDMA powder (typical dose 150-300mgs) almost every one to two weeks.

1st Question: I have been using the same batch of MDMA for roughly 5 months. It tests very well (I have a kit). However, I have started to notice that at some point during the roll I get the worst dry mouth imaginable. I can't drink a beer or even smoke a cigarette. I obviously drink water, but I can't overcome this problem until after I sleep. This was never an issue before this batch of MDMA. Do you think I can stop this issue by placing the MDMA powder in capsules, rather than parachuting them like I normally do? Parachuting causes my mouth to go dry, so I was wondering if this would help. And, yes, I am very aware MDMA stops salivation (hence, the dry mouth).

2nd Question: I have been getting the craziest vivid dreams for several days after usage. Does this happen to other users? I never used to get such vivid dreams. Is it possible it's due to increase in use over the years?

3rd Question: I know this would seem like common sense, but are there vast differences between batches of MDMA powder that test pure (meaning mid-80%)? For example, a recent experience with moon rock molly (i.e. brown crystals) was a much better experience than the batch I have now (and I was in a similar physical state for both). Why is that?

Thanks everyone, and I look forward to your answers

 

[rickolasnice]

1) Maybe you are just drinking less water without realising it.

2) Yeah. Post MDMA abuse, for me, causes mad vivid nightmares and can even cause sleep paralysis.

3) How are you testing your MDMA? Marquis and the like cannot test purity.

You're welcome

 

[blastronaut]

Thanks for the quick reply

1.) I don't think that's the case. I drink crazy amounts of water to account for working out 5 days a week. Also, you didn't consider my question as to whether putting the powder in capsules would reduce this issue.

2.) That's what I thought. It's gotten better over the last few months.

3.) I know a chemist that tests MDMA for impurities. Also, to further my claim, I find that powder MDMA is no where as good as MDMA in crystal form. I have always found that crystal MDMA gives more euphoria and is a much cleaner roll than powder MDMA. The downside to crystal MDMA is it gives me very little energy like the powder does.

Just a side note, I reagent test everything I take. I don't take anything that doesn't test MDxx High. The aforementioned differences between powder and crystal forms of molly are what I have observed over the years.

 

[laugh]

Why not just try the caps and find out?

I found I usually slept very well after MDMA use

#3 does not make any sense to me. Are you aware of the placebo effect? MDMA can be good or poor in any form pill, powder, crystal, moonrock, whatever other bs name your dealer wants to hype their product with. I bet you pay more for the moonrocks and crystal too haha

 

[top$45]

I had the same problem with extreme dry mouth.

 

[Cz_x]

I know exactly what you mean about the vivid dreams! Loved getting them up until a few weeks ago where I have a horrific one. Every time I think about sleep paralysis my eyes fucking water so much, full on tears streaming down my face, what the fuck is with that......?

But yeah, back on topic. I pretty much realised that after I do MDMA I get home from a rave at between 8-11am and then sleep fine, the next day I normally sleep fine but it's always on the third day (and the next couple) I have some crazy lucid dream and I have full control over. Either that or I have the most awesome dream ever, I've been doing Motocross for the last 10+ years and the dreams normally consist of hitting the biggest jump ever, with the best style. Everything in the dream is spot on, even down to what gear I'm hitting the jumps in. The psychics is 100% spot on and the adrenaline feels so real.

Last time I did MDMA three days after I had such a horrid dream, it was probably just as bad as any sleep paralysis I've ever had and I've has some nasty experiences. What happened was I woke up in my nans house (this all seemed very real because I lived there for 4-6 months why my house was being extended). I went downstairs and a lot of my younger cousins and my auntie was round, (they always drop there kids round before/after school so again, this was all very real). At that point I instantly started tripping, well.... not tripping but I actually felt schizophrenic. I knew I woke up, it felt like I'd woke up but I still felt so wrong, feeling of fear just flying round. My light/dark were all wrong, everything looked dark and it felt asthough I could see things flying round messing up the contrast. My whole family was round so I was trying to keep it cool, I normally handle all my trips really well but it wasn't helping. I knew something was so wrong. At that point I managed to take my head out of my arms and ask for a glass of water, my nan went and got this and I drunk it but it seemed to do nothing. Then I proceeded to say "It still doesn't feel like I've woken up, can you get me a cup of tea. Maybe a hot drink will help (I'm so British). I remember sipping the tea and it actually felt hot, it felt like it burnt my lips then I woke up. I woke up and genuinely thought I may have to go and change my sheets but luckily it was just sweat.........

Pretty much laid there for an hour in awe at what had just happened. I also pretty much went through everything on the dream and there really was nothing that I could/should have picked up on to let me know I was dreaming. All my fingers were there, the clocks were working, the light switch worked, I had one left and one right hand.

 

[blastronaut]

@top$45: What did you do to fix it?

@Laugh - Thankfully my circle of connections are not dicks. I pay the same for powder & crystal/moonrock when its available (between $40-60/g).

 

[Folley]

You know what MDMA powder is? Crushed crystal MDMA.
You know what crystal could be? Various chemical powders melted down and re-rocked into crystals again

Crush some crystal and you got some powder and take that powder and recrystalize it and you have "moon rocks" appearance means nothing




However, you are using MDMA WAY too often and must have an extreme tolerance. This is going to cause you MANY problems down the road friend, MDMA releases serotonin and trying to release more serotonin after you released it all rolling balls last week will only lead to trouble long term.


It seems tolerance is your problem. Take a 3 month break and let your brain heal fully, after that a 150mg dose of pure MDMA powder or crystal should be the same either way. After that you can dose again in around a months time as is deemed acceptable around here, but taking neurochemical releasing drugs every week or even every other week can only lead to problems.


Good luck, I do hope you give your self some time to recover though. You'll get back those first orgasmic rolls anyway because tolerance will drop

 

[blastronaut]

Thanks Folley, you answered my question! My chemist friend said something similar to what you just explained. He said the only difference is that it is a longer process to synthesize sass oil into large MDMA crystals (i.e. moon rocks), and, for the most part, crystal MDMA and powder MDMA are essentially no different.

In the meantime, I appreciate your care for my well being. To be honest, I have found myself less impressed with the shows/raves I have been attending. It's not that the quality of electronic music I attend has gotten worse, it's just that I've been using too frequently. Lately when I roll I get really tired, have very little empathy, and, as I mentioned before, get insane dry mouth. So to combat this, I plan on taking a several month MDMA sabbatical very soon. It's worked in years past and I'm looking forward to a break!

 

[Folley]

Well after that break, take the lesson from it man!

I'd recommend sticking to taking MDMA once a month at most, MAYBE every two weeks if there's amazing shows all the time, but that is seriously pushing it. If you want to use MDMA over the long term, you need to frequent breaks to keep yourself safe.


Cheers, most people tell me to fuck off when I give them advice like that

 

[blastronaut]

Yeah, unfortunately/fortunately for me there are amazing shows ALL THE TIME where I live. Literally every week I can pick one or two DJ's I would like to see. I'm not trying to brag, but living in a supercity has serious advantages if you like electronic music.

So, that's what drives the use. Lately I don't even want to use because I want to give my receptors a break and restore serotonin. But, I quickly fall to peer pressure by friends who want to check a DJ out. I'm beginning to lose the magic. That's a direct sign to stop for 8-12 weeks, but after that I will be fine (I've done this at periodically throughout my use).

Strange question though, I used to get loads of MDA, which I find to be unbelievably intense. After two-to-three months I stopped, and started taking MDMA after a couple month break. I find that this impacted my experience with MDMA usage negatively, in that it lessened "the magic" feeling I used to get. It's like MDA was so intense that I can't top it with MDMA now. However, if I take MDA now it still feels like the first time I ever took it. Any idea why?

 

[laugh]

Hang on let's go back a bit what are moonrocks?

Here we go back to magic chemicals with magic rolls and magic stories of hyperbole and blah blah

 

[Cz_x]

Yeah, unfortunately/fortunately for me there are amazing shows ALL THE TIME where I live. Literally every week I can pick one or two DJ's I would like to see. I'm not trying to brag, but living in a supercity has serious advantages if you like electronic music.

Where are you from?

 

[xx001]

The other people in this thread have answered your questions pretty well, but in regards to your 3rd question:

3rd Question: I know this would seem like common sense, but are there vast differences between batches of MDMA powder that test pure (meaning mid-80%)? For example, a recent experience with moon rock molly (i.e. brown crystals) was a much better experience than the batch I have now (and I was in a similar physical state for both). Why is that?

The appearance is not necessarily a good indicator of quality. The shape of the crystals can sometimes indicate that what you have is not mdma if they are an unusual shape. True mdma crystals are rarely larger than a grain of cooked rice. The large "moon rocks" that you see are simply lumps of powder and smaller crystals held together by some type of a binding agent to make it look more appealing to customers. Color is also a less than perfect indication of quality. Tiny amounts of impurities can cause significant changes in the color of the final product, but larger amounts of other impurities may give an almost crystal clear product. The best batch of mdma I have ever run across was a light sand color with very tiny black specs.

 

[laugh]

Hi Sasha!

 

[5HToInfinity]

Wouldn't it be epic if that was actually Shulgin?

 

[blastronaut]

The appearance is not necessarily a good indicator of quality. The shape of the crystals can sometimes indicate that what you have is not mdma if they are an unusual shape. True mdma crystals are rarely larger than a grain of cooked rice. The large "moon rocks" that you see are simply lumps of powder and smaller crystals held together by some type of a binding agent to make it look more appealing to customers. Color is also a less than perfect indication of quality. Tiny amounts of impurities can cause significant changes in the color of the final product, but larger amounts of other impurities may give an almost crystal clear product. The best batch of mdma I have ever run across was a light sand color with very tiny black specs.

^ This! ^

When I speak of crystals, I mean small little crystals that are typically brown in color. It's totally buyer's beware if you see huge clumps of crystal in a bag. People in my city have been trying to pass off methylone as moon rocks, which is so wack.

Also, my best experience with MDMA came in the form of small dark crystals which were from Amsterdam.

Rethink your attitudes. Improve your approach to your life, including how you socialize, how you enjoy yourself, how you enjoy the great music available to you.

Learn to enjoy the company of others, learn to enjoy the music, learn to have a lot of fun, without depending on the drugs. Cheaper and safer.

I appreciate your concern, but that's definitely not happening. Getting high to music is pretty much what I do and love. But, that doesn't necessarily mean I need MDMA to enjoy it. Whether it's alcohol, marijuana, or MXE (lol, never again) it will always enhance my listening experience. I can't imagine a world where I couldn't smoke a joint and listen to Boards of Canada Music Has the Right to Children.

 

[Folley]

Find some new drugs to blast your naut friend... MDMA is NOT a drug that can be used with that kind of frequency.


Try 2C-B, it's an amazing psychedelic, but really it's almost more similar to MDMA than LSD in effects. Makes music sound AMAZING, would be great for raves... or find something else, there are other drugs out there that can be used in a safer way if you're insistent on dosing that often. Find a few different kinds of drugs that you like and cycle through them. So do LSD one week, MDMA the next, ketamine the next, 2C-B the next week and cycle through it all over again.

That will at least keep your tolerances to all of them low.





Or you can just, you know.. learn to enjoy music sober lol?

 

[laugh]

learn meditation and study the karma sutra

 

[Clocktower]

So, that's what drives the use. Lately I don't even want to use because I want to give my receptors a break and restore serotonin. But, I quickly fall to peer pressure by friends who want to check a DJ out.

In two sentences you've put responsibility for your heavy MDMA use first on the DJ's, then on your peers. Neither of them are holding you down and forcing pills down your throat. I don't want to be a downer, but this is a harm reduction forum and if you use language like that someone is going to point out that you have a problem.