Heroin Possible to eliminate wd by tapering? Quitting help really needed please!

[Bomb319]

With H. Or else reduce it to a mild inconvenience. My plan was to purchase a fair amount more to have on hand, and only use it once Im fairly deep into withdrawal - point where profuse sweating and lethargy come into play. I would find the smallest amount possible that will just make me feel normal again while doing my best to prevent euphoria. I would then wait until next severe wd and repeat, hopefully being able to last longer and longer in wd and use less and less each time. Eventually I would try to only snort it and throw all needles away, then continue like this until my H supply is gone or else Im using such a tiny amount that I can jump off.

Of course I realize the success of this is entirely dependent on my ability to not use and to taper which I realize will require monumental effort.

My question is, will this work in theory, or would I just be further conditioning my body to delay wd as it will always be bailed out to a degree? This is only worth doing if I can end completely and experience nothing more than some very mild symptoms. If I am going to be sweating or puking anyway then to hell with it. I'd rather tough it out and never do it again.

I went to a clinic last night, and to my severe disappointment, the doctor told me suboxone would cost me *snip* month PLUS clinic fees. *snip sorry no prices* to the pharmacy just to watch me take it?? What a load. I truly feel that is taking advantage of addicts, knowing they often are forced to come up with a lot of cash anyway. Even methadone despite being much cheaper will still require me to pay the *snip* monthly to the pharm. I just told him Id be willing to cold turkey myself, and just asked for some clonidine, and the SOB would not even give me THAT. He says it can cause too large a drop in blood pressure, and the only way he would treat me at all is if I checked into a detox clinic where they would do a small dose methadone taper and clonidine, I guess.

I don't want to do that. I wanna do it myself, in my own fucking home, where I can do things at my own pace, and ease the hell with clonidine, but nope. I even told him I didn't want benzos. Few drugs as possible. I've even had clonidine before from a friend and had no issues whatsoever. If anything, I really need a hypotensive anyways. Is this Dr prick out of line? Other clinics that are public will take way too long, and I'm worried that a walk in would not give me clonidine anyway. Thanks to the wonderful "treatment" I received, I'm currently buying and using heroin since that seems to be the only option I was given unless I wanted to undergo a fully unmedicated large dose H cold turkey where every new day is a day I would rather not be alive.

Anyone?

 

[T. Calderone]

I've told myself a dozen times at least that I cold kick at home on my own. I just could not control myself. I ended up having to go in-patient to detox a few times. It's too hard when left to your own devices, especially with heroin. At least for me. I would get out of hospital and go straight back to it. The only time I was sucessful was when I stayed at a friend's house for a few days. Just crashing on his sofa, no immodium, couldn't eat with harsh gastrointestinal symptoms. I never sought medical help after that because I was okay, but yeah I did get cravings. You have to really want this, and it can be done without other medicines. You can beat this, I'm living proof. But if you don't feel strong enough, check into detox/rehab.

 

[Bambooshoot]

Yes if you had enough that would work. I would suggest though not using the needle at all and Only snort enough to feel comfortable, go into withdrawal and repeat slowly lowering your dose. I can't get over how much it costs. Here in the U.K with the NHS we get everything for free.

 

[pasha]

In theory it could work, but as you said would require some effort on your part and some. To have heroin right in front of you and restrain yourself from getting high is improbable, especially for whatever period of time your planning to taper on, and also because heroin is not standardized like these pharmaceutical maintenance drugs which would cause fluctuations in your dosing regimen due to difficultly in gauging what dose will alleviate your withdrawals. Suboxone on the other hand provides little-no euphoria especially to users of full agonists.

My advice to you would be to shell out whatever they're asking for a month and do a rapid taper, even if the idea of being shaken down is causing you upset. If you feel your not getting the appropriate medical treatment look elsewhere, clonidine is first-line-treatment during in/outpatient opioid withdrawal in many nations.

 

[cire113]

You cant really cheat withdrwal; you will have to pay eventually; but depending on the right method u could minimize suffering;

I would go for the quick Suboxone Detox bro;

Tapering with H itself ... Lol good luck

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Tapering with H itself ... Lol good luck

^^

This, unfortunately. What you're talking about would work in theory... but in actual practice, you'd have a better chance of banging all the Victoria Secret angels one by one....

Meaning.. slim chance, man. Hah. I know it sounds super appealing... do it in your own home, be able to still use H, blah blah blah... but we are addicts for a reason. Having that shit just shitting around and being able to find the willpower to only use "a little and not get high"? Come on man, if you had that kind of willpower, you would have never become a heroin addict to begin with.

My advice, shell out the money for the suboxone and justify it by telling yourself that this is it.. it'll work this time and you wont need to spend any more money on dope or suboxone in the future. Your dope habit if you fail at your "home kick", (which chances are you will, to be blunt) will quickly exceed the money you would have spent for the suboxone anyway.

 

[DrugOmen]

yeah man listen to the above. shell out enough for the suboxone just for a month and do a taper with that. chromophobia makes a great point that the heroin doses will not be so accurate compared to pharms. Its defenitely in your best interest to shell out the cash for a month. They will give you enough sub to taper with and then some. Trying to do it with heroin is literally like less than 1/1000 chance that it will work, especially if you try to IV it first. If you really much try though, switch straight to snorting and keep lowering your dose and your withdrawals will still be there but not nearly as intense. This is still the last option IMO, youre better off cold turkey pretty much and fuck man i can believe that dick ass doctor not even givin you clonidine..

 

[Swimmingdancer]

It is not possible to eliminate withdrawal, especially post-acute withdrawal, even if you could force yourself to stick to a taper (which is extremely difficult). But it would definitely be better than cold-turkey.

Methadone I do NOT recommend long-term, but if you want to use it to taper over a short period of time it's a lot cheaper and safer than heroin. AND if you have Fair PharmaCare coverage they will pay for part or all of your methadone - you just have to fill out this online form and have filed your 2011 tax return (or possibly even just your 2010 one, not certain - either way, even if you haven't filed a recent tax return it's quite easy to do so, especially if you only had 1 or zero jobs). You can use this calculator to find out how much prescription coverage you would get. Sadly it won't cover Suboxone unless you've already tried and failed at methadone and your doctor fills out a special form.

If you're not covered by PharmaCare, shop around at different pharmacies, some, especially ones that are not large chains, have lower pharmacy fees or will let you just pay one fee a week instead of having to pay a fee daily.

(note: the above info is only applicable to residents of BC Canada).

 

[OntarioGuy]

This sounds rough...

like others and even yourself have said,tapering off with your DOC while you are in control of rationing it out to yourself will be very hard.

Even alot of ppl here in canada have a hard time with daily dispense RX's of their DOC and tapering with it. (which is actually quite common here,or was)

I don't know if i'm breaking the rules,but is their any way you could get your hands on some methadone or subutex/suboxone another way?you already score H.

You would just be switching to a longer acting opioid,can go longer without dosing,and the come down may be easier then full blown IV H withdrawal

Don't believe all the Methadone w/d is hell/worse then H" bullshit...It's the same w/d as any other potent agonist imo now that i've experienced it a few times...(I'm assuming you've never experienced methadone w/d's not to say you haven't though)

I feel for you man i really do...i'm a status Indian of Canada and get all of my methadone and other drugs covered and often take it for granted.

 

[Permanent Jones]

Hi Bomb,
Have you thought of looking for clonidine online? I've been scouting around for some lately because I'm stockpiling meds to kick too. Seems there are a few places (you know I can't say where or how much),and they appear to come in very small doses, so if you're careful, you might be able to get by without that doctor's monitoring. If none can be obtained, I've seen others on BL recommend Phenibut. I've never tried it, but it looks like cautious doses may help with sleep/anxiety issues during withdrawal. Just thought I'd put my 2¢ in. Good luck man .