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TDS Phenibut Addiction Doctor's Visit
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Ligaturd
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Tell your doctor that you are going to be withdrawing from Phenibut and the withdrawal is reminiscent of what one might expect from an alcohol or benzodiazepine withdrawal, although many doctors might not be familiar with the treatment of such withdrawals in which case maybe bring some information printed out from the internet about the standard treatments to lessen the severity of the withdrawal at hand.
Asking outright for for barbs, or whatever, anti-cholinergics and GABAnergic drugs might just invoke a reaction of just writing you off as a drug seeker, or they may be empathetic to your cause. I really can't say but you might have a better chance with a doctor that specializes in addictions.
I know first hand how much hell a phenibut withdrawal can be, I was broke at the time and just had to deal with it but the anxiety was just unbelievable. The anxiety and the extremely intense tactile sensations along with the insomnia made me wish I was dead. I wish you luck with your situation, If you can't find a doctor sympathetic to your situation just remember that the discomfort will pass completely given time.
Asking outright for for barbs, or whatever, anti-cholinergics and GABAnergic drugs might just invoke a reaction of just writing you off as a drug seeker, or they may be empathetic to your cause. I really can't say but you might have a better chance with a doctor that specializes in addictions.
I know first hand how much hell a phenibut withdrawal can be, I was broke at the time and just had to deal with it but the anxiety was just unbelievable. The anxiety and the extremely intense tactile sensations along with the insomnia made me wish I was dead. I wish you luck with your situation, If you can't find a doctor sympathetic to your situation just remember that the discomfort will pass completely given time.
Vaya
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Yikes, this is awful to hear. I'm sorry 
I'm currently addicted to Phenibut.
Cyamemazine is unfamiliar to me, but asking for barbiturates outright would be, to me, a mistake. That could easily misconstrued as drug-seeking behavior, and you really don't want that to happen when you're seeking help.
I'm actually considering seeking help from. Doctor, minus the barbiturates. What exactly does cyamemazine do to help Phenibut withdrawal/taper?
Good luck with your visit... Please let us know the outcome.
~ Vaya
I'm currently addicted to Phenibut.
Cyamemazine is unfamiliar to me, but asking for barbiturates outright would be, to me, a mistake. That could easily misconstrued as drug-seeking behavior, and you really don't want that to happen when you're seeking help.
I'm actually considering seeking help from. Doctor, minus the barbiturates. What exactly does cyamemazine do to help Phenibut withdrawal/taper?
Good luck with your visit... Please let us know the outcome.
~ Vaya
Ligaturd
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Hmm, I just looked cyamemazine up and it is an anti-psychotic and I am guessing you want it to combat insomnia and maybe to help with the paranoia and anxiety?. I think that Gabapentin, Lyrica, or Valium would be much better to utilize for the withdrawal symptoms. A short course of GABAnergic drugs with a slow taper would be best for this in my opinion. Anti-cholinergics like diphenhydramine seemed to not work very well when I was coming off of Phenibut, it was as if I was super sensitive to them which worsened my insomnia and made me delirious. If you can't find anything pharmaceutical then maybe try l-theanine or even picamillon.
And finally if you can't find any of those then you're going to have to do a slow taper down and just deal with the symptoms, if you taper off of phenibut slowly enough then it should be relatively painless. Please do update us as to your progress though, it is sometimes helpful to be able to vent your worries/frustrations to others and to have people to cheer you on and lend you support through situations such as these.
And finally if you can't find any of those then you're going to have to do a slow taper down and just deal with the symptoms, if you taper off of phenibut slowly enough then it should be relatively painless. Please do update us as to your progress though, it is sometimes helpful to be able to vent your worries/frustrations to others and to have people to cheer you on and lend you support through situations such as these.
Polluted_Mind
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Even though this was written a while ago: you will be infinitely better off asking that particular doctor to put you into contact with an addiction specialist. No sane general practitioner is going to off-the-bat give you a script for phenobarbital, absolutely NO chance.
Addiction specialists are much more comfortable in writing you scripts which an average general practitioner simply won't touch, and they will also have a much higher chance of being experienced in dealing with phenibut addiction.
Most likely your local doctor wouldn't even know what phenibut is.
Addiction specialists are much more comfortable in writing you scripts which an average general practitioner simply won't touch, and they will also have a much higher chance of being experienced in dealing with phenibut addiction.
Most likely your local doctor wouldn't even know what phenibut is.
DementiaSavantPlus
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I was on phenibut daily for 3 weeks to a month. I stopped cold turkey, but I had gabapentin to help (which I have been prescribed for a long time). I have a high tolerance for gabapentin, but it still put me in a place where I was able to function throughout the WD. It might be useful to ask a doctor for it. It is not controlled and therefore not controversial. Kava also helped tremendously.
The WD from phenibut was pretty terrible even with these softening agents. I can't imagine what it would have been like with no help. However, when it ends, it completely disappears without a trace. It lasted for about 6 days.
The WD from phenibut was pretty terrible even with these softening agents. I can't imagine what it would have been like with no help. However, when it ends, it completely disappears without a trace. It lasted for about 6 days.
Talk about trading a monkey for a gorilla, me personally wouldn't take it but for a few days, I honestly think lyrica would of worked wonders for you in the time being.
Vaya
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Is the Klonopin a temporary prescription or what's the deal?
~ Vaya
~ Vaya
What dose are you on now?
Vaya
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ftwjake, how was the withdrawal experience? We're benzodiazepines effective at combatting the primary symptoms? What were the primary symptoms? I've read so much conflicting information on this topic specifically and I'm quite keen to hear back from you! 
I am really glad the worst appears to be over!! Hopefully never again, right?
Good thinking oing under a doctor's wing rather than attempting something with such potentially serious consequences all by yourself.
~ Vaya
I am really glad the worst appears to be over!! Hopefully never again, right?
Good thinking oing under a doctor's wing rather than attempting something with such potentially serious consequences all by yourself.
~ Vaya
The withdrawal symptoms were significantly abated, but it was still a profoundly uncomfortable experience. Most importantly though, I was able to sleep. Good thing I didn't procure the Klonopin on my own, as it was so pleasant I likely would have continued usage.
Phenibut WD is hellish. I got a week of Ativan after I had been off for about 5 days (I started drinking way too much to compensate, not good. Stopped when I got on the Ativan though).
I have a feeling we are going to see more and more of these threads, especially considering the stuff is marketed as "mild".
Anyways my hands are slightly shakey, I get occasional mild tinnitus (most worrisome but it's getting better) and had to go on trazadone to sleep. Never again.
I have a feeling we are going to see more and more of these threads, especially considering the stuff is marketed as "mild".
Anyways my hands are slightly shakey, I get occasional mild tinnitus (most worrisome but it's getting better) and had to go on trazadone to sleep. Never again.
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Vaya
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Aye, that is why I'd asked, originally. A prudent decision on your part, to be sure.
Thanks for the list of symptoms. I appreciate it.
Glad you are well!
Flynnal
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I have a feeling this particular substance will end up controlled and scheduled, or possibly banned.
I've used it, and I can assure anyone that the hangover from taking 4 grams of this stuff (2 grams in the morning and 2 grams about 2 hours before bed) is almost unbearable.
Woke up the following morning, and for the next few hours or so I felt like I had the flu, puking, nausea, dizziness, feeling like the room was spinning around me, and then after that the anxiety was disgusting. I thought I was in trouble at work or something.
Won't be touching this shit again. Alcohol is much more forgiving, even GHB is more forgiving than Phenibut.
Can you O/D on Phenibut? I can't say for certain but I wouldn't be betting on it. If you took a whole heap of this stuff thinking it's safe, and then decided to drop a long-acting benzo (ie, clonazepam) or a long-acting opiate (ie, methadone) there's a good chance you'd end up wearing a toe tag. I got 125 grams of this and figured it would be a good anxiolytic, which indeed it is, but it's no different to barbs or alcohol, it works for a day or so then suddenly stops. I won't throw away the rest, because there are times when using it for anxiety is imperative and I know people who are alcoholics and I could offer this to them with some very detailed advice on dosing etc, but for every day anxiety? Not a chance!
VERY good for alcohol withdrawal, a friend used it to ditch the booze and it worked for him. He said the same thing about it as I've said, the stuff is a big NO NO for recreational use. Only useful really for alcohol withdrawal and little else. Baclofen is also good for that too. As an anxiolytic there are better drugs - even barbiturates are better than this stuff and I don't recommend them for anxiety either. A short acting benzo does wonders for transient anxiety, but of course, don't use them everyday either or you'll end up with similar problems.
I've used it, and I can assure anyone that the hangover from taking 4 grams of this stuff (2 grams in the morning and 2 grams about 2 hours before bed) is almost unbearable.
Woke up the following morning, and for the next few hours or so I felt like I had the flu, puking, nausea, dizziness, feeling like the room was spinning around me, and then after that the anxiety was disgusting. I thought I was in trouble at work or something.
Won't be touching this shit again. Alcohol is much more forgiving, even GHB is more forgiving than Phenibut.
Can you O/D on Phenibut? I can't say for certain but I wouldn't be betting on it. If you took a whole heap of this stuff thinking it's safe, and then decided to drop a long-acting benzo (ie, clonazepam) or a long-acting opiate (ie, methadone) there's a good chance you'd end up wearing a toe tag. I got 125 grams of this and figured it would be a good anxiolytic, which indeed it is, but it's no different to barbs or alcohol, it works for a day or so then suddenly stops. I won't throw away the rest, because there are times when using it for anxiety is imperative and I know people who are alcoholics and I could offer this to them with some very detailed advice on dosing etc, but for every day anxiety? Not a chance!
VERY good for alcohol withdrawal, a friend used it to ditch the booze and it worked for him. He said the same thing about it as I've said, the stuff is a big NO NO for recreational use. Only useful really for alcohol withdrawal and little else. Baclofen is also good for that too. As an anxiolytic there are better drugs - even barbiturates are better than this stuff and I don't recommend them for anxiety either. A short acting benzo does wonders for transient anxiety, but of course, don't use them everyday either or you'll end up with similar problems.
Vaya
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Flynnal said:
IDK if the LD50 for humans has ever been calculated, but judging from animal models, for a 170lb human being (going from the LD50 of 900mg/kg in mice) 69.41 grams would be the LD50; based off of rat models at LD50 = 700mg/kg, the LD50 for a 170 lb human being would be 53.99 grams.
From this point of view, Phenibut is relatively safe. For all the reasons you mentioned and more, however, we know with certainty that this is not a safe generalization to make on a pharmacological and physiological basis.
~ Vaya