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EDIT: just checked...i didn't realize this was a forum where it wasn't mandatory to disguise your identity...oh well. if you want to think it's my friend asking this, go ahead. if you want to think it's me, that's fine too.

so my friend was kind of foolish the first time she tried molly. she got one capsule from her friend, took it around 9pm, waited two hours, and didn't feel anything, so she bought a second capsule from her other friend's dealer (a different batch of molly). about 30 min after taking the second pill, she started rolling and it was AWESOME and felt just like she expected. but then on the comedown, about 4 hours later, she started clenching her jaw, twitching, and feeling really antsy. after that, she couldn't sleep for 48 hours and her friend eventually took her to the ER because she was hallucinating from lack of sleep and having heart palpitations. the people at the ER sedated her and her heart slowed down and she finally slept.

now her friends are planning on rolling again for an upcoming event, and she's conflicted as to whether she should try molly again. she had a really good experience during the roll itself, but she doesn't want to do anything stupid, especially given her last experience. do you guys think it sounds like she just has a bad reaction to mdma, or do you think the first pill might have been impure (mixed with adderall or caffeine or something), and that led to the bad reaction? if it's the latter, she might be open to trying again if she could find a really pure batch. she's also curious if you guys have any suggestions for other drugs that someone can take while their friends are rolling--ones that would keep her in that same happy, peaceful, lovey, talkative mindspace without actually rolling (perhaps a really potent sativa brownie? :D)

my friend would really appreciate any info you guys have. thank you! <3 <3
 
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http://dancesafe.org/products/testing-kits/complete-adulterant-screening-kit-0
http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/pdod8107/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686

^ places to purchase test kits.

test your biz so you know exactly what you have. try low dose in safe environment just to confirm or deny allergic.

she's also curious if you guys have any suggestions for other drugs that someone can take while their friends are rolling--ones that would keep her in that same happy, peaceful, lovey, talkative mindspace without actually rolling (perhaps a really potent sativa brownie?
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maybe coke?

welcome to bluelight miss
 
Test and weigh your dose! Also, be sure to wait at least one month between rolls.
 
It's because your capsule was not MDMA but meth. Problem solved. Or a mix, MDMA does not keep you up two days. Sorry!
 
i guess i'm just worried that, if my pill was mixed with something like meth or adderall or some other amphetamine (pretty sure it had at least mostly molly in it, since I was rolling pretty hard and feeling very chilled out and empathetic), taking even a 100% pure mdma pill might exacerbate the stress that first pill already put on my heart and nervous system. i obviously recovered fine from this first pill, but i don't want a second pill, even one i tested and/or filtered, to worsen the harm i've already done and potentially lead to even worse health problems, like a heart arrhythmia or something.

is this even a thing that can happen? or does your heart/circulation/etc. heal fully in between doses of stimulants? i'm assuming not...
 
^ It doesn't heal FULLY but a lot of the damage is recovered.

If meth was causing you a problem in the past, don't put the blame on MDMA... and just because you felt "chilled" and "rolled" does NOT mean what you took was MDMA. The ONLY way you can know that is if you use a testing kit. They are cheap and could save your life, there is no reason not to get one.


Thinking your going to develop some heart defect after rolling twice is a bit delusional, lol. Maybe after repeated abuse, but if you were to take the proper break (1-3 months), get proper MDMA and dose at a safe amount, there is little room for any sort of complication. MDMA actually releases norepinephrine which slows down heart rate, so using BPM is not a problem on MDMA unless the subject becomes paniced (triggering a flight of fight response)



You should be fine, however. It seems to me like your just over thinking this... you got some bad "Molly", now time to get some good MDMA!
 
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re: taking MD or psychedelics at this point. i would wait quite a bit, maybe half a year or so. give your mind some time to process and forget. i see mostly the possibility of *psychological* harm. you could go into your next experience with quite a negative mindset given you ended in the ER last time and it must have been at least a bit traumatic. additionally, there's also at least a remote possibility of physical harm. maybe you're a poor metabolizer of the drug you took last time or something like that. (what did the doctor say?)

again, i'd take a longer break just to process. and if you decide to do stims or psychs again, test the stuff before dropping to make absolutely sure it's the real fucking deal. it's always comforting to know you got what you want to take and not some unknown psychoactive drug or some adulterated shit.
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this is really good advice, thanks. the doctor said they really weren't sure what i took, it might have been mdma and my prior use of ssris might have caused me to metabolize it weirdly, or it might have been adderall, meth, mda, or something else too. as for pill testing, i'm a bit confused. test kits detect the presence of mdxx drugs, but not necessarily the presence of adulterants, right? even if i got one of the three or four part test kits that cost like $50, which is kind of pricey (though i'd consider it if i could be sure it would mean my pills are safe).
 
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50 bucks pricey for peace of mind and physical safety........?

if i were you i would give up the game and stick to drinking liquor 8)
 
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^ A wash won't remove adulterants (other drugs), only impurities (synthesis byproducts)


A marquis testing kit is AMAZING at testing for multiple substances. It can test for MDMA, meth, 2C-B, methylone, MDPV and literally hundreds of other chemicals. If there is more than one substance in the test, it will turn a mixture of the two colors.

MDMA's reaction is purple/black, methamphetamine's reaction is orangish/brown. Here is the two combined:
http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=30847
http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=30766
http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=30588
http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=30581

Compared to a GOOD MDMA only reaction:
http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=30995
 
WOW. so do you think it's sufficient to just buy the marquis kit, instead of the full adulterant testing kit from dancesafe that costs like $50? that would simplify my life, lol. also i did some research and i think that, if anything, i took piperazines instead of/mixed with molly. i had the empathy effects of molly, but other than that, all the other symptoms fit piperazines perfectly--insomnia, intestinal troubles, skin tingling...yikes. well, i learned my lesson. no pills without a marquis test first!
 
Again, just because you feel empathy does NOT mean it had ANY MDMA!! The first time I smoked methamphetamine, I felt extremely euphoric. It was honestly almost like rolling, and I wasn't SUPER hyper either. It honestly kind of chilled me out.

Then I kept smoking it for 3 more days, and every hit got worse and worse and by then end I was a complete mess. Completely twacked out and practically twithing all over the place :p don't do meth... just saying lol, other drugs can feel just like it even if they are completely different.



Yeah, the marquis is all you NEED. I recommend getting the full kit, but if you just got the marquis it would tell you if you have MDMA, and hopefully show if there is anything else there as well.


The other thing you can do is send the pill into ecstasydata.org for lab testing. It will tell you EXACTLY what is in the pill, but is quite expensive at $40 per pill
 
Meth in lower doses can cause empathy and similar feelings to MDMA, primarily the first few times though. After a few times meth > empathy. (obviously not true.)


^should've read the 20 posts that said the same thing, my b.

Some people can't tell the difference between clean meth in moderate doses and rolling in high doses. (Some people, I honestly don't get that.)
 
and what about the really scary shit, like pma/pmma? i know you can test for those with a robadope test, but those tests aren't sold anymore from what i can see...is pm(m)a even something i should be worried about if i'm only using capsules of molly instead of ecstasy tablets?
 
oh, man, thank you. so, if i can test for amphetamines with the marquis and pm(m)a with the mandelin, are there any other possible adulterants I need to look out for? or will that ensure i have a safe pill?
 
Nothing can REALLY ensure you have a GOOD pill, but even the marquis by itself will tell you all you need to know.


The mandelin is really only helpful if you already suspect there is PMMA there, it's actually a RARE AS FUCK adulterant because it's so deadly most people know to stay the fuck away from it... BUT, if you DID somehow get it it could REALLY be bad, so it's always good just to check if you're really paranoid.

The mecke will check for DXM and opiates, but those are again RARE AS FUCK adulterants these days so you won't need that.





I would get the Marquis bottle from Dancesafe (100 or so tests) and the Mandelin from EZ test (2 tests for the same price :\ ) if you really want it. Again though, you could just get the marquis and probably get away with it.... it's the most important reagent anyways, the other reactions don't mean shit if you don't have one lol
 
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