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mj1945

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It really irritates me when I always see people attributing problems from e/mdma on adulterants to the pill. Whether it be here or on pill reports whenever someone has problems people always jump to the conclusion it must be adulterants. There is actually quite a few people who believe mdma isn't bad at all for them and I don't know why. It's one of the most popular drugs in the world for a reason, I love it as well but can see it is very bad for the brain/body. Yes there's harm reduction but regardless there's always being harm done, some may go unnoticed or very minimal but damage nonetheless.

The reason I bring this up is because I had about three phases with e/mdma. First I started out taking some blue la/king or some type of crown pill, thought it was mdma ended up being speed. Next had a stint with these grey rhinos, could tell they were different and ended up being methylone. Then I started getting mdma off the biggest dealer in my city, by far the best experience of the three but by far the most side effects. With each my abuse was about 2 months doing it mostly every friday, saturday and the odd monday except with the mdma it was usually once a week because of the wear on my body. So I basically abused methylone and speed more than mdma and maybe had 1/4th the side effects I got from mdma.

So just wondering to those people why do problems always get blamed on adulterants, or another chemical? I mean yes theres rules with dosage and stuff but lots of people will never know the exact amount of mdma they get. Just dosing a tad too high in one night can give some serious side effects. Even I don't think there is a drug that can compare to mdma but theres a reason it should be used 4 times a year tops, cause it's one of the most damaging out there I believe.
 
I agree. I've never taken pills before I just used pure MDMA (crystalline) and that really messed me up, albeit I used the stuff ridiculously. Key word being crystalline, you cant incorporate adulterants into a crystal structure (unlike cocaine powder etc). MDMA itself is the neurotoxin.

Other people argue that heavy users of MDMA do indeed show mental deficiencies but this damage is due to overheating / dehydrating / not sleeping during and after raves and not necessarily down to the drug itself....in fact Prof. David Nutt proclaims that theory in the journal addiction...he also once said that MDMA is less dangerous than alcohol which is only half true (completely depends on dose, frequency..)
 
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mj1945 said:
Yes there's harm reduction but regardless there's always being harm done, some may go unnoticed or very minimal but damage nonetheless.
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Of course, if you binge on amphetamine and methylone then go and start taking MDMA (did you test it?) once a week, there will be damage done. I think very few people here will defend that kind of abuse. 8(

Try using the stuff responsibly, then come tell me about the side effects.
 
IMO, and there is plenty of evidence to back this up, methylone is much easier on the body and brain than actual real MDMA.

Real MDMA, of very high quality, sent me into a very long (almost 2 years) period of anxiety and depression...it was like night and day, there was absolutely no mistaking it. No life problems, no change in diet, exercise, medication, relationships...just took a massive amount one night and wasn't OK afterwards for a very long time.

Great post, OP, I've been thinking this for years.
 
There's a difference in being a heavy user and knowing your shit very well and reading it off the internet and thinking your a genius. You randomly took untested shit your dumb for lack of a better word you still don't know if you took amp methylone or mdma especially since your convinced "its from the biggest dealer in town" doesn't make it any diff. I know actual large scale men and they get bunk sometimes just because they know idiots will buy it. level on the totem pole doesn't determine your morals. All in all get your facts straight get a test kit then say I took x y and z and this one was the worse.
 
Great post. Maybe your not cut out for taking mdma? I don't drink whisky because i get aggressive, but am ok with all other alcohol.

Why does everyone seem to presume that they wont be affected. Your in the minority, most folk are ok with MDMA. Your not. Move on and stop taking it.

I have been taking MDMA 17 years in and can only report mood drops post mdma binge and a fucked up sleep pattern which sorts its self out within the week, but does mean im extra tired during the comedown. 5-HTP (im my opinion) really helps with both of these issues.

I have always get MDMA apart from in the 2008 - 2010 period which was a huge drought in the UK. Never tested positive for MDMA in those 2 years.

I ve posted in an other thread. Roughly 1 in 3 Americans suffer anxiety at some point in their lives. Your one of the stats.
 
To clarify for all the people being defensive yes I have tested the stuff, have got from the same guy my whole time and it's always been the same stuff so don't give me that garbage. To the last guy I'm Canadian and I had anxiety for about three months, none for about 7 months. I'll continue to take mdma but just at a low rate maybe once or twice a year to bring back the magic, once you overdo the drug it really does lose it's appeal. I've taken my breaks and I've already seen whatever symptoms I had go completely. The thing is at the time I never knew about the harm reduction so I would continue to redose throughout the night, never knew my actual dose and didn't eat that healthy at the time. However since I've learned about harm reductions and limiting use it's all gone but maybe because I workout for hours 6 days a week and eat very healthy now.

The point I'm trying to make is that people always jump to the conclusion that it's an adulterant or other chemical causing the problem in their adultered crystal or pill. The thing is if you don't know the harm reduction rules or the majority of stuff people on here know then you can get problems easily. Redose too late or too many times, or take a dose in which you have no clue the exact amount your taking. Many things go into it but I think abuse of this drug is probably worse than most. Yes I have tested my stuff and it`s very good quality, probably cut with a non active ingredient so he makes more cash but idc because most people here agree nothing comes close to the quality. It`s produced in BC and it`s easier to get good molly here than anything other than some good kush.

Again I have no existing problems, I do very well in my uni classes, I`m a football player who works out like a fiend so I`m not some messed up guy complaining about my problems. Merely stating that anyone who has no clue about harm reduction rules can develop some serious problems from mdma, and yes theres a good chance it can be from mdma and not some adulterant.
 
Every time I eat a bacon roll I bring the chances of a heart attack higher :) The minimising of damage done by MDMA is critical, insignificant damage is just that - insignificant. You don't shout the house down everytime you bump your head do ya? Kills brain cells dont ya know?

I think a lot of people are far too lax with their approach to MDMA but the overkill and hysteria of the problems it causes is twice the problem. I see every day, thread after thread posted of over-worried individuals who are giving themselves paranoid complexes over the MDMA comedown. A lot of the time it's mind over matter.

Abusing any substance is never good, but that can't be the standard on which we judge MDMA.
 
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Every time I eat a bacon roll I bring the chances of a heart attack higher :) The minimising of damage done by MDMA is critical, insignificant damage is just that - insignificant. You don't shout the house down everytime you bump your head do ya? Kills brain cells dont ya know?

I think a lot of people are far too lax with their approach to MDMA but the overkill and hysteria of the problems it causes is twice the problem. I see every day, thread after thread posted of over-worried individuals who are giving themselves paranoid complexes over the MDMA comedown. A lot of the time it's mind over matter.

Abusing any substance is never good, but that can't be the standard on which we judge MDMA.
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Yes this is very true. Just think it's absurd how when people come here with their comedown problems or whatever problem someone replies with it was probably such and such no chance it was mdma. You need to test your stuff but also none of those people know any harm reduction so they could have done a bunch of stuff to cause problems. I think a lot of the comedown problems is the fact the people overdid it and probably took a high dose with redosing. Then didn't start eating healthy to replenish their body and are freaking out because their mind/body is fighting back. Messing with serotonin will cause plenty of problems, especially the anxiety/paranoia.
 
I personally get defensive about MDMA when people talk nonsense about the effects, comedown etc.

I know that MDMA is not without its risks but I also know that if somebody says they were rolling for 6 hours straight, or they were unable to sleep for three days, or they were having full on open eye visuals etc then chances are they were either not taking MDMA or the pills they were taking were adulterated.

If somebody mentions a side effect which could be contributed to the MDMA then I certainly address it.

You even say in your post, you were abusing speed for a few months, then went on to abuse Methylone for a few month, then went on to abuse MDMA and suffered more side effects than the previous two drugs. Maybe the side effects were increased as you has already abused Amps (notorious for the side effects) and then Methylone (new drug so effects of abuse are just starting to show up)before moving on to MDMA.
 
I had full open eye visuals before, because i stupidly took 2 and a half beans over a night they were 185 mg spreads. 8o but they were legit
 
op how old are you and have you visited the dark side?
I think very few people here will defend that kind of abuse.
Try using the stuff responsibly, then come tell me about the side effects.
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hyperventilation, water intoxication/poisoning...
 
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People always take their opinions on MDMA too far, and it goes both ways.

They either think it is completely safe, or an extremely dangerous drug that needs to be feared.... it's neither. MDMA is a rather safe drug as far as abuse goes, you'll start getting horrible comedowns and barely even high from the pills long before you really do enough damage to cause lasting damage.

Now, MDMA can cause some pretty horrible effects... but it sure takes a LOT of MDMA by itself. Most people use other drugs alongside their MDMA, taking other drugs on the comedown, drinking or doing adulterated pills. If you use MDMA with any kind of responsibility, there is no reason to fear it :)



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false. you can incorporate adulterants in a crystalline structure. did you even test your 'crystalline structure' to make sure it contained mdma?
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Yeah. It's a rather simple process to melt two chemicals to be in the same large chunk of crystal
 
i hope you feel better soon mj. take it easy of the chemicals bro you got plenty of party years ahead of you yet. :)
 
I somewhat agree with what the OP is saying. And yes I don't really think taking something like methylone is that much riskier. The problem is most people selling M1 are selling it as Molly. It isn't molly, the only true Molly is MDMA. So if dealers started respecting "Molly" and not selling it to people under false pretenses I wouldn't stand up for MDMA. Personally I like the effects of true MDMA or MDA much better then speed or research chemicals, but I do not consider MDMA or MDA much safer. For the most part, most of the other chemicals sold as molly, with the exception of a few, are just as safe as the real thing. They all must be taken in moderation for these side effects to be diminished though, some more than others. M1 is not as neurotoxic as MDMA, but there is a lot about it we don't know so I wouldn't say M1 is safer by any means. MDMA is a beautiful and somewhat rare drug and when people say they took molly, when actually they took something else other than MDMA, it angers me. I can respect M1 and other fakes are their own drugs but as for them being MDMA, not even close. MDMA is the one and only Molly, no other drug has that love factor, so I will stand up for it against other counterfeits.
 
Hey, I've only done a good roll (pure) once, and since then, only a bit of methylone, and some amph's.

I have a habit of researching things before I dose, to know what to look out for.

You know what conclusion I came to? The great feeling comes with a not so great cost.

What does the MA in MDMA stand for? MethAmphetamine. If that isn't any argument towards being more careful in your actions, well, to each his own.
 
I agree with some of the things already said.

MDMA is subjective, and for me I will defend it until my last breath.

I think if you live a really active/healthy lifestyle that a lot of the negatives of MDMA go away. Sure I get a little bummed after MDMA, but never to the extent that some of these threads in ED discuss. Actually If anything, I usually wake up the next day feeling reassured that I'm being the best I can be. ;)
 
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