Hi ya'll...Mom of Heroin User could use your support

clemsmom

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Hi folks,

Found this site while researching some home remedies for heroin withdrawl/detox...seemed to be referenced quite a bit....

I'm the mom of a young man who is addicted to IV heroin who is currently trying (for the 1st time) to kick his habit...I have done quite a bit of internet research (I knew NOTHING really about heroin until it "came home" to our family) and learned quite a bit...BUT, there is so much info out there...my head is spinning trying to absorb it all....

If you could please direct me to the proper forum to ask questions on an Immodium/zantac/tonic water "aid" and other suggestions for wd symptoms, I'd really appreciate it....

Thank you
 
Hey Smokem (just guessing that the ganja is your preference?...:)

Thanx for your response....
Yes, it SUX it a big big way....worry about him doing smack..worry about him getting arrested...worry about him trying to quit...the JOY of being a parent is just toooooo much sometimes!!...:(

Thanx for the links....
 
I think one of the best forums for you would be The Dark Side. It is very supportive and informative on withdrawl and support through it. It is one of the most sensitive non judgmental forum you will find with a lot of great advice. Hope this helps as well.
My husband overdosed on opiates in 1998. I am raising our daughter on my own. She is 17, with our first grand child he will never meet. So I know what opiates can take from you. So keep fighting, you still have a chance to help him to save himself from the opiate's vicious cycle. Remember you can not do it for him, he has to do it for his self. If you ever need to talk, please do not hesitate to let me know. My heart goes out to you love. <3
 
The Ganja used to be my thing (still is) but I've had my struggles with opiates, and still do. I know my mom worries about me but I don't blame her.

I used opiates in excess when I can get them which is only a couple times a month but its still a mental mindfuck for sure. All you can do is try to help your son and hopefully he listens to you, but to be fair I've had lots of advice from my parent and have had 3 other sisters that had substance abuse issues and it took me awhile to calm my behavior down

Your welcome for the links. Welcome to bluelight!

Edit: good point on moving it to TDS but can you talk about drugs over there? She needs w/d advice so I thought OD would be good.
 
Hi clemsmom, I have an addict son too and I know how hard this is for you.
Bluelight offers some great support - thanks you guys for the helpful links!
 
I've struggled with opiates in the past as well. At the height of my addiction, I was taking at least 7 Vicodin every single day and would go into the starting of withdrawals if I didn't take one every couple of hours or so.

The way I quit was cold turkey. Lucky for me, I finally ran out of money and was unable to continue funding my addiction. The withdrawals lasted about two weeks for me, but the cravings didn't go away for about 6 weeks after that.

Honestly, feeling like I had the flu was no where near as bad as the horrible depression and anxiety that also came with the withdrawals. Yes, the flu like symptoms were awful, but nothing could have prepared me for the depression and anxiety that almost made me commit suicide. You are going to have to warn your son about this and tell him to prepare himself (there is probably nothing he can really do to prepare for it, but you know what I mean....).

Being that he is addicted to something that is at least 4X more powerful and addictive than Vicodin; I would NOT suggest cold turkey and I recommend that he either goes the Suboxone/Naltrexone route, Rehab, or Rapid/Medical Detox.

You may find things saying that the Methadone route is the best, however, Methadone is also extremely addictive (just like Heroin) and in most cases you are just trading one addiction for the other. I would suggest you son stays away from this.



edit: How rude of me! My condolences to you, your son, and your entire family. I know all too well how hard a drug addiction is on a family. I wish you luck and I really hope your son can kick his habit!
 
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Thank Ya'll for your warm welcome & responses...

Stella...my sympathies for the loss of your husband...So true on the "he has to do it for his self"...so hard as a parent that I'm watching him do this to himself and I can't ground him and force him to quit!...

Smoken...personally I have no issues with ganja...cept the newer stuff which I SWEAR is loaded with SOMETHING VERY ADDICTIVE!...Based solely on observations of some of the young folk around me who HAVE to smoke all the time...&...are soooo angry when not high....Hope you are off the opiates for good (or at the least only dabble and keep it from becoming a must have addiction)

iagainst...thanx for the link...so many websites..so much to read...but getting a real education

Hey T.Calderone...oh my sympathies...sux so bad, doesn't it?...A hell I really really NEVER wanted to go to...So powerless to help....

Swamp...congrats on kicking your habit!...He actually started using heroin as self medication for depression...he's been battling that for a few years now and just didn't give the anti-depressants a chance to work...I have his therapist (NP who can write scripts) ready for him as soon as he gets thru the worst of the detox...Unfortunately he doesn't have any health ins and we just don't have the funds to get him to a detox center and he doesn't want to go the subox route (trading one addiction for another)...LOTS of what I have read is that attitude is a BIG part of how difficult detox will be...it's bad..don't get me wrong, I'm not downplaying the effects, BUT, if you expect the worst, you will experince the worst..if you expect it to be not so bad, it will be a little less painful...

Again...thanx ya'll
 
Hi Clems mom :) The Dark Side is definitely the right section for you. I moderate it, we're a friendly helpful bunch. Many of our members are now sober and have a lot of great information and support ideas to offer you.

Make yourself right at home and make a thread in our section so you can get some answers. PM me if you ever have any questions about anything on the forum :). <3 You are a wonderful mother for going out to seek help for your son. There it a lot of hope out there, you just need to find it and stick to it!
 
^ I told you TDS is supportive and you would be flooded with support and star got to post before I could lol. <3

Edit: good point on moving it to TDS but can you talk about drugs over there? She needs w/d advice so I thought OD would be good.
^ I think that OD is fine as well. I just wanted to also mention TDS because like you said earlier.

I used opiates in excess when I can get them which is only a couple times a month but its still a mental mindfuck for sure. All you can do is try to help your son and hopefully he listens to you, but to be fair I've had lots of advice from my parent and have had 3 other sisters that had substance abuse issues and it took me awhile to calm my behavior down

Things like this with this problem always have dark issues like these that you deal with. I guarantee if you posted this in TDS in a thread you with be flooded with advice and comfort. A lot of places on BL is awesome tbh. :)
 
You can talk about drug use/abuse in TDS as long as it isn't glorifying drug use in any way. In Clemsmom's case I am sure that anything she were to mention in regards to drugs would not be against our guidelines.
 
Sorry to hear about your son, I feel terrible for the shit I put my mom through when I was hooked on the needle. It's a fucking bitch to come off of, and the only time I truly had nausea where I threw up was coming off of heroin. I detoxed my first time in jail, terrible thing and went right out and got high as soon as I was bailed out, I was still in withdrawal though. I hear that vitamins are essential, most, if not all of us heroin addicts, if not all neglect nutrition and are just one of the reasons our health gets bad so quickly. If you can get him any kind of OTC sleeping pills they'd help, I don't know if he's able to sleep but I used to sleep all the time when i'd be withdrawing, I know alot of people can't though. Anything you can think of for muscle aches, heating pad, ibuprofen, and ESPECIALLY a hot bath. The only thing that lessened my joint pain was a hot bath, but I was on the 'junk' pretty bad there at the end. I thought this thread was about how to get your son off the smack and I came in to say he wouldn't quit until he was ready, but it's a great thing he's at least trying to kick his habit, it shows he knows he has a problem (crazy as it sounds there's people out there who shoot heroin everyday and think it's perfectly normal and fine) and is trying to kick the habit.

Also, if he relapses (let's hope not) if you want to try and use some kind of Opiate Addiction Meds, ie: Suboxone, Subutex, Methadone, etc. I think Suboxone/Subutex/Bupeprenorphine is a better medication to use for someone who is truly just wanting to stop. I say this from my experience so it could be different for others, I got on Methadone because I got tired of being sick every single fucking morning I woke up and to make my parents happy, but I was surprised at how much it helped me, I stopped using (opiates, that is) and I haven't touched any kind of opiate that wasn't prescribed for me by a doctor since 2010-2011? I can't remember my exact clean date, but I haven't been exactly sober either. But, what i'm trying to say is when I quit methadone, I was taking 85mg's of Methadone a day for almost two years and I was on 90mg's a day for 2 years before that, with a 6-7 month break in between (prison) and I quit cold turkey and it was the most God awful thing i've ever done. I'd rather kick heroin 5 times than kick methadone again. It lasted like 2 months with 2 more months after that of little to no sleep. I hope he's successful and he just has to have the mind to stay away from the dope and everything else, alcohol included. Everyone i've met that's kicked any drug habit has always told me that alcohol or any other drug use eventually leads back to habitual use, and I know this too from experience.

Good Luck, I'll pray for you and you should be proud of yourself, I know your son is. Alot of parents would have disowned their kids, I know a few who have. I feel sorry for you though having to watch your son deal with this, I feel horrible for the shit I put my mom through.
 
Hey clems mom. I am a young man who kicked the opiates. Having a mom like you would have been a godsend, but my I had no help when I was battling my addiction which lead to me relapsing 3 times bad, and even aquiering a very idiotic addiction to benzodiazepines. Since your son is the one who initiated sobriety, he is already 50% done. That's the biggest step. His admition of his problem and willingness to take the high road is admirable and I wish you the best of luck.

Please don't be stupid and think that he has a disease. The media, and big pharma have used this ideology to get people to run away from the truth, which is - an addiction is a choice, not a disease, even though it grabs you and destroys your body it is still a choice. It may be related to some forms of personality disorders or depression, but being addicted to something is a choice, albeit not one people believe to be very dangerous and fucked up. So when he gets to the point of crying like a little baby, remind him that he chose that path, and now that he wants off the ride he has to go through what all of us sober people went through. And if I could kick my habit (I have a history of drug use since I was 12) then anyone can - so long as you remember what your goal is, to be healthy.

He has to start eating right, even when he doesn't want to. He has to take vitamin B, magnesium, fish oil. You need to look into kale shakes for his breakfast as he will have problems with his stomach so he needs good healthy nutricion. Get some sleeping pills, but don't tell him you have them so that if his insomnia gets really bad in the early stages just slip him a sleeping pill but tell him it's just another vitamin. I strongly advise against this, but you don't want him to suffer so giving him a break after a week or two will be great for him. But, you cannot, and should not give him access to them, or even let him know that you have some for him because he will beg for them and might end up with a completely new and even more fucked up addiction (pharmaceutical withdrawls>heroin withdrawls).

He has to get physically active and he has to be mentally active. If you click on my user name on the left u will get a menu and you can see my profile, you can read back on some of the advice I have already given about how important it is to eliminate depressive external stimuli and exercise. I am a huge proponent of the swimming pool since you can combine both physical and breathing exercises, and breathing exercises are incredible stress relievers. The physical part of kicking the habit is just the start. As mentioned, the depression and anxiety are what get most of us in trouble months down the road. I would say that for about 6 months he will experience what it is like to be a woman with severe PMS, but you both have to remember that it is absolutely normal, nothing to be ashamed of, and in fact probably should be marked with pride because it means that he is getting better. Feeling bad means that you are getting better, another paradox in the universe, but it's the truth.

If you have any specific questions down the road, I am here to give advice free of charge, as are all the good people over at the dark side. It is good to know that he is not alone in his battle, and you must be one heck of a mom to support your son the way you are now.

Also, after he gets clean for more then 6 months have a doctor do a seratonin test on him to check his levels. A lot of people claim depression because it's an easy out for the question of why were you so stupid. If you aren't productive, and see no purpose in your existence ofcaurse you will be depressed. He should not be on any medication unless he absolutely needs it. Anti-depressants aren't little cure-it-alls, in fact they are increadibly over prescribed to people who don't need them which causes a shit-load of mental problems that in many cases are ireversable. Your son may really be depressed, but is the cause his brain chemistry, or his daily existance? If it's the latter then a lifestyle change will do him a lot more good then anti depresants. A 5-htp supplement might be all he needs to get his ass into being productive.

How physically active is he?
How social is he?
How productive is he?
How is his performance in school?
Does he have serious hobbies?

P.S: The new weed is not more addictive. It is stronger, yes, but still not physically addictive. My generation and under are just a bunch of over privileleged idiots (regardless of monetary situation, the abundance of information alone makes us spoiled, not to mention the amount of instant gratification we have grown up with). So those kids you see acting a fool are just little whining snots that have never had their ass whooped back into reality.
 
Really Obiez? You're going to say addiction is a choice, not a disease? You're wrong, that statement makes me think you don't know the true meaning of being addicted. Correct the option to USE any substance is a choice, but for some people they become hooked through a doctor's prescription, some people become hooked unintentionally, regardless the way the person became addicted, do you honestly think people CHOOSE to wake up in the mornings sick from not having drugs in their system and especially if they have no money? Fuck no, by then your mind is fucked and you're not thinking rationally. "Fuck it, i'll just steal this gold chain, they'll never know" does this sound rational to you? Or using drugs to make you functional, this seems like a choice to you also? True you never had to try the substance(s) but i'd say 99.9% of the people like me who have battled with it for years would've never tried any drug if they would've known the events that followed, you hear stories from people and families of people, but you think "fuck, i'd never do that" "I'd never try and write a fake prescription, wtf was he thinking" 3 years later and what is that same person in jail for? Trying to write a fake prescription. People make the choice not to detox also, but most choose not to for so long because of fear and pain of withdrawal. Granted it's a mental disease, but disease none the less.
 
^ I told you TDS is supportive and you would be flooded with support and star got to post before I could lol. <3


^ I think that OD is fine as well. I just wanted to also mention TDS because like you said earlier.



Things like this with this problem always have dark issues like these that you deal with. I guarantee if you posted this in TDS in a thread you with be flooded with advice and comfort. A lot of places on BL is awesome tbh. :)
Thank you.
I get depressed all the time I just feel like no matter what somebody says that I'm not gonna feel better until things actually become better. Idk, ill have to make a thread sometime. There's so much shit on my mind at any given time.
 
hi clemsmom, you came to the right place for support! the mental and emotional anguish experienced by someone after physical withdrawals is a BEAR...and a half. I went through the physical pain many times before I learned how to deal with Post Acute Withdrawals. but I have faith that your son can make it through, I kicked the needle and I didn't even have a mother like you that is obviously putting in very hard work, educating yourself and doing everything you can to prepare yourself and your son.

best of luck to you and your boy!
 
@smokemctoke420 it's hard to be positive when all that's happening around you is negative. Trust me i've been there when nothing will go right, shit most of the things in my life still don't go right. But look at it like if all you do is think negative, then nothing but negativity will come. The way to better yourself is by thinking positively and all the things that come with this. Thinking Positive won't make a huge change, actions should follow. Not trying to preach, just putting what's helped me in the past.
 
Really Obiez? You're going to say addiction is a choice, not a disease? You're wrong, that statement makes me think you don't know the true meaning of being addicted. Correct the option to USE any substance is a choice, but for some people they become hooked through a doctor's prescription, some people become hooked unintentionally, regardless the way the person became addicted, do you honestly think people CHOOSE to wake up in the mornings sick from not having drugs in their system and especially if they have no money? Fuck no, by then your mind is fucked and you're not thinking rationally. "Fuck it, i'll just steal this gold chain, they'll never know" does this sound rational to you? Or using drugs to make you functional, this seems like a choice to you also? True you never had to try the substance(s) but i'd say 99.9% of the people like me who have battled with it for years would've never tried any drug if they would've known the events that followed, you hear stories from people and families of people, but you think "fuck, i'd never do that" "I'd never try and write a fake prescription, wtf was he thinking" 3 years later and what is that same person in jail for? Trying to write a fake prescription. People make the choice not to detox also, but most choose not to for so long because of fear and pain of withdrawal. Granted it's a mental disease, but disease none the less.

I don't understand why your reaction is so heated, but I stand my ground on this one. And nothing you said compels me to believe that your argument strengthens the view that addiction is a disease, in fact it proves my point. And you can make any assumption you want about my understanding of addiction, I know what I went through, I know my story, and I do not agree with the stance that you are a victim. I am sorry if I offend you, but all I see from your post is....exactly what I said.
Obiez said:
It may be related to some forms of personality disorders or depression, but being addicted to something is a choice, albeit not one people believe to be very dangerous and fucked up.
 
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