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The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread-11th Dose-50 grams and a kidney later..

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Does anyone mind giving me a brief overview of the positive & negative experiences? cheers
 
cryptix420 said:
This is false. Methoxetamine absolutely can give you a bad trip, no matter how prepared you may feel you are. Saying otherwise seems a little ridiculous in my opinion, as with any mind altering drug, anything can happen.
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Agreed. I've found myself a couple of times confused as hell questioning the nature of reality on high doses even after adequately preparing for the trip. Having said that, in my experience low doses are incredibly anxiolytic -- more than most drugs.
 
fuckUwil$on said:
What do you mean by this?
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I'll take a wild guess here but. I believe he expects replies from avid mxeheads who tend to post things like "mxe is a gods gift, now I finally understand the whole universe and especially human race.".

Unfortunately after reading A LOT about long term using of MXE it seems more and more obvious that MXE is actually nothing more than a (extremely) fun drug, with maybe short-to-medium term ability to reduce anxiety and withdrawal symptoms of various drugs, especially opiates.
But it's nothing like LSD which can actually help people understand their own personalities and help improve their lives long term over years... or maybe it does have that potential but the problem with MXE is that it is *very* addictive, unlike LSD. The more somebody gets excited and the more somebody thinks MXE actually improved his/her life, the more problems it eventually causes it seems.
 
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I actually disagree. I've probably mentioned before somewhere that I really enjoy the thoughts about society and how great it would be if everyone helped each other out. Certainly more stereotypical psychedelic thoughts than I get on serotonergic psychedelics!
 
How does addiction to this start anyway? You just start taking it every day or something like that?

Because while I like it's effects I as of now have no draw to take it even nearly every day.
 
Same way as it starts with anything else. You take it once, and you like it. Over time you take it more and more often, until it becomes a problem.

MXE is quite benign and this makes it hard for users to talk themselves out of doing it. They know they probably shouldn't, but they "can't find" a good reason not to, so they take it. It's bizzare. Almost like the drug tricks you into taking more of it.
 
But that's just it, I do like it, but not often. Tbh, the most I used in the shortest amount of time was my first 1g bag (novelty factor I guess?). After that, I ordered another one. However with that one I never got the urge to take it often, the new bag is almost still full, don't think I used it more than 1 or 2 per month so far (about 100-150mg both occasions combined.

I do get 'using it more and more often until it becomes a problem' with some other (benzos mostly) drugs so I kinda get what your saying.
 
crazycatman the way it worked for me was having too much time on my hands (boredom) and like Transform said I didn't really see a reason NOT to use it, I loved every single experience and it was different every time. Using daily for 2-3 weeks was the closest I got to addiction I think. I have called it quits now and I haven't done it for 3 days... I don't notice any withdrawal or craving but I'm sure I'll try to talk myself into taking another bump when boredom kicks in (it does that in a very subtle sneaky way, making you think about it until you just give in and take it)
 
Transform said:
Same way as it starts with anything else. You take it once, and you like it. Over time you take it more and more often, until it becomes a problem.

MXE is quite benign and this makes it hard for users to talk themselves out of doing it. They know they probably shouldn't, but they "can't find" a good reason not to, so they take it. It's bizzare. Almost like the drug tricks you into taking more of it.
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This man knows what he is saying.

MXE is a drug that makes you think "Hey, why not take it?". Eventually you begin taking it so much that it becomes a problem. There is a point where taking more yields dissatisfying results. Taking it too much leads to a point where it's not only wasting material, it's also pointless to pursue due to it's effects on the body. You can only get so much out of it, despite this it tricks you in to thinking doing more will result in a better high, meanwhile what you really need is a few days off for your body to recover.
 
I honestly don't think MXE has ever led to any real insight in my situation, and I don't feel it really has very much for anyone else. What it really leads to is delusions. You think you actually found insight to some problem in your life but your actual solution or whatever is pretty delusion and a bad idea. You are just to manic to realize this.

I recommend anyone who is taking this for psychedelic insight stop taking it for that purpose, you won't get anywhere. I took it purely to feel good and make things more interesting like games and music, and which it is wonderful for.
 
hatrix said:
I honestly don't think MXE has ever led to any real insight in my situation, and I don't feel it really has very much for anyone else. What it really leads to is delusions. You think you actually found insight to some problem in your life but your actual solution or whatever is pretty delusion and a bad idea. You are just to manic to realize this.

I recommend anyone who is taking this for psychedelic insight stop taking it for that purpose, you won't get anywhere. I took it purely to feel good and make things more interesting like games and music, and which it is wonderful for.
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I think your experience is purely subjective. I know quite a few who have tried this and all agree this is excellent for introspection and productivity. Everyone is different. I personally find this substances helps me perceive more and focus more. It also keeps me on track.
 
I've taken it pretty sparingly. At the moment I probably use it once a month or less.

I don't claim to have found any solutions with it, but it has been nice the philosophise about topics while using it.
 
cryptix420 said:
This is false. Methoxetamine absolutely can give you a bad trip, no matter how prepared you may feel you are. Saying otherwise seems a little ridiculous in my opinion, as with any mind altering drug, anything can happen.
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I agree.

The first couple of months that i used mxe i never had a bad trip, but as i went higher doses i deffenatly had some bad experiences, not as bad as trip on acid or mushrooms, but still bad enough to throw away the rest of my bag.In low doses i think its hard to have a bad trip but i guess its also possible.
 
fuckUwil$on said:
What do you mean by this?
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I was just quoting a trip report on Erowid that I was pointed towards, above.

With regards to the discussion about insight, delusion, addiction - I agree with those who note that this is the same with any drug. It depends on who you are and your situation (though I don't deny that some chemicals are more "moreish" and easier to take repeatedly than others!).

The mind-altering space these things enable can allow new perspectives - though typically in my experience, these perspectives don't make much sense as they seemed and lose their profundity when I'm sober.

Mostly, I just use these things for fun/pleasure and to play with my consciousness or enhance a sexual experience (or sometimes an artistic performance or exhibit). I don't expect anything like a "result". That said, empathogens have opened me up enough to break down my stubborn or sometimes cold introversion - enough to move some important relationships forward in my life and keep that experience integrated with my sober self.

Self-knowledge tends to come after real psychological work (e.g. overcoming bad-habits and behaviours with consistent, sober practice) and with more difficulty - e.g. you can rarely simply "administer" profound and long-lasting change with a chemical IME - though of course, this notion is held by many doctors & perhaps society generally.
 
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