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how to avoid getting HPPD
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RobotRipping
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i don't think much is understood about HPPD. I'd say sure a low dose with no visuals will likely not give you hppd, but everyone's body chemistry is different so no one can say for sure. Either way , HPPD isn't that bad. i have it from years of heavy psych use and it's not a big deal IMO, at least once you realize what it is. I think part of it is that psychedelics open up your mind so much that you begin to notice things that weren't a big deal before, ie. seeing certain patterns or colours come out due to reflections and stuff.
sometimes i wake up with purple colors but it last for 1 minute but that happens to everyone without any drug use.
surf.shaman
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It must be emphasized that individuals without HPPD will sometimes notice visual abnormalities. These include floaters (material floating in the eye fluid that appears as black/dark objects floating in front of the eyes and are particularly visible when looking at the bright sky or on a white wall) and the white blood cells of the retinal blood vessels (seen as tiny, fast-moving and quickly disappearing white specks). Likewise, bright lights in an otherwise dark environment may generate trails and halos. Most people don't notice these effects, because they are so used to them. A person fearful of having acquired HPPD may be much more conscious about any visual disturbance, including those that are normal. In addition, visual problems can be caused by brain infections or lesions, epilepsy, and a number of mental disorders (e.g., delirium, dementia, schizophrenia, Parkinson's disease). For an individual to be diagnosed with HPPD, these other potential causes must be ruled out.
It must be emphasized that individuals without HPPD will sometimes notice visual abnormalities. These include floaters (material floating in the eye fluid that appears as black/dark objects floating in front of the eyes and are particularly visible when looking at the bright sky or on a white wall) and the white blood cells of the retinal blood vessels (seen as tiny, fast-moving and quickly disappearing white specks). Likewise, bright lights in an otherwise dark environment may generate trails and halos. Most people don't notice these effects, because they are so used to them. A person fearful of having acquired HPPD may be much more conscious about any visual disturbance, including those that are normal. In addition, visual problems can be caused by brain infections or lesions, epilepsy, and a number of mental disorders (e.g., delirium, dementia, schizophrenia, Parkinson's disease). For an individual to be diagnosed with HPPD, these other potential causes must be ruled out.
Foreigner
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I personally don't understand the point of doing LSD if you are just going for the buzz. All of the therapeutic uses for LSD (like migraine prevention, psychotherapy, etc.) only activate at levels where visuals happen and ego identity become challenged.
I've read all the research on HPPD and I honestly don't buy into it. I have no doubt that LSD has changed my brain in permanent ways but it's mostly been positive and beneficial. This is just my opinion though and opinions are like assholes.
If you're really that concerned about HPPD then maybe you should be avoiding psychedelics. As I said I don't see much point to doing one if you're scared of visuals.
I've read all the research on HPPD and I honestly don't buy into it. I have no doubt that LSD has changed my brain in permanent ways but it's mostly been positive and beneficial. This is just my opinion though and opinions are like assholes.
If you're really that concerned about HPPD then maybe you should be avoiding psychedelics. As I said I don't see much point to doing one if you're scared of visuals.
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bob_arctor
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What aspects of it is it you find to lack credibility? Or is it the phenomenon of HPPD you discard as false altogether or what?
From what I gather LSD seems to have relatively fair potential for causing HPPD and 2C-I apparently is one of the drugs most associated with it.
Also synthetic cannabinoids seem like they have potential to cause it, especially full agonists like JWH-018 and close analogues.
I think the same to be true for serotonergic full agonists so NBOMe drugs are also probably best avoided if not getting HPPD is a top priority.
Strictly speaking all psychedelics or even all drugs should be avoided if you don't want HPPD but it is a little lame to say that.
Anyway, my point is that drug selection can play a role.
Another factor might be tripping often in a short period of time. To be honest I can prove none of this, but I think you have a bigger chance of getting HPPD if you don't allow your body/mind to return to baseline properly. It just seems logical that if HPPD is a form of distortion of sensory processing (like thalamic disruption perhaps), the process proceeds more quickly if there is already disruption - like an old injury can be a weakness to get even more damage in that body part.
Foreigner, you base your opinion only on the way you personally react to LSD? I too feel like LSD has lasting effects for me that I don't consider negative but that is no evidence whatsoever that other people cannot get much more severe forms of disruption of dysfunction that can eventually even get problematic in everyday life. Just imagine taking what you or I have and multiplying that, at some point it must be 'too much' and then we speak of a disorder.
Also synthetic cannabinoids seem like they have potential to cause it, especially full agonists like JWH-018 and close analogues.
I think the same to be true for serotonergic full agonists so NBOMe drugs are also probably best avoided if not getting HPPD is a top priority.
Strictly speaking all psychedelics or even all drugs should be avoided if you don't want HPPD but it is a little lame to say that.
Anyway, my point is that drug selection can play a role.
Another factor might be tripping often in a short period of time. To be honest I can prove none of this, but I think you have a bigger chance of getting HPPD if you don't allow your body/mind to return to baseline properly. It just seems logical that if HPPD is a form of distortion of sensory processing (like thalamic disruption perhaps), the process proceeds more quickly if there is already disruption - like an old injury can be a weakness to get even more damage in that body part.
Foreigner, you base your opinion only on the way you personally react to LSD? I too feel like LSD has lasting effects for me that I don't consider negative but that is no evidence whatsoever that other people cannot get much more severe forms of disruption of dysfunction that can eventually even get problematic in everyday life. Just imagine taking what you or I have and multiplying that, at some point it must be 'too much' and then we speak of a disorder.
thoughtsUnThought
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Just as note, I've used LSD as well as ergoloid containing seeds in low sub psychedelic dosages as a migraine treatment with amazing results. I've heard higher doses have the ability to hold back further migraine attacks for months, my low doses were to combat already beginning migraines. From my exp the true breakthrough experience does offer more in the way of therapy, though i do learn from my low dose exps as well.