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Who is your "god"?

ShaggyFin

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I "believe" in multiple gods, but I would like to explain my idea of what "god" is. (and would like for you to comment with an explanation of your belief system)

First, I will start by describing MY gods. The main of which are Shiva and Pan, which come together to form the ancient "Pashupati". What "Pan" is, is wilderness. Pan is not some goat god, that lives in the woods and decides what goes on, and he is not some god in the clouds that governs what "wild" things do. Pan is the fact that wilderness exists. Pan is the ferocity of a scared animal. Pan is the hungry bear. Pan is the Tiger that decides to come into the village. But Pan is not simply "The Wilderness", Pan is also inside all of us. The is "Good" and "Bad" Pan within us all. When you love your child, you are Pan. But when you raise your hand to your child, you are also Pan. So my gods are not "Gods" as much as they are undeniable phenomenons within nature and social behavior, that I identify as "Important".

Shiva, though connected to Pan via Pashupati, is very different from Pan. Shiva is the god of men (or masculinity). He is fairly well known as the Lord of the Dance, as well as the God of Ganja and the "Good Father". This means that Shiva is "present" in the world when people use Marijuana, or when a man raises his child right, or when you lose yourself dancing. The strangest aspect of Shiva is destruction. Shiva is part of the Holy trinity: Creation, Destruction and Preservation. While all these things seem to happen separately in this universe, they are actually one in the same. Atoms are destroyed every day in the sun, so that this planet may have sunlight and energy. Plants are destroyed to sustain human life, and Cannabis is burned to bring us joy and understanding. When an old government is toppled, a new one takes its place. When a forest burns, it is because it was over crowded (when not started by a human). All destruction is a form of creation, just as creation is a form of destruction.

These are my main gods, but I have a few more. I will not get into them now, but I would like to get into my idea of the "Almighty God"...
I believe that in the Bible when they say "When two or more people gather in gods name, he is present." I personally accept that to mean that: The fact that 2 people, is a stronger force than one man alone, is a form of god.
And when the Bible says: "We are created in gods image" The are simply saying this...

1) When two (or more) people come together, each person is like a "cell organ" (ex: Mitochondria). And together, cell organs make a "cell".

2) There are many types of "cells" in this world. Groups of humans, Plants, Animals, Gases, Minerals etc. And when these "cells" come together, they form something like a tissue.

3) This tissue is what we know as "ecosystems" or "Biospheres" (such as deserts and rainforests). These "tissue" come together to create Planets, and Solar systems. Which is like Organs, such as a stomach, liver, heart etc...

4) These organs come together to form organ systems, similar to your respiratory system and circulatory system. But we call these systems "Galaxies".

5) These organ systems, or "galaxies" come together to form a complete ORGANISM or "Universe".

We know this organism as "God". But it is not listening to you. It knows about you, as much as you know about the cells in your own body. Do you cry when dead skin cells flake off? God cares just as much when we die.

But EVERYTHING we do effects god. EVERY cell organ (that's you), does what it does. And those actions come together ALL over the universe to make this universe what it is. We are all god, but we are all nothing in gods eyes (unless we happen to live in gods eyes... If he has eyes).
 
Personally I cant understand the concept of multiple Gods, there is either God or there isnt, there cant be numerous gods though. But god is everything and that goes for you and I and/or what ever else you can think of. Pantheons we choose out of a sense of relation, or sometimes they choose you; either way, the demigod or pantheon is like one of many rivers leading to the same body of water, which is god.

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Bhagavad-gītā As It Is: 9.25
Those who worship the demigods will take birth among the demigods; those who worship the ancestors go to the ancestors; those who worship ghosts and spirits will take birth among such beings; and those who worship Me will live with Me.
 
Personally I cant understand the concept of multiple Gods, there is either God or there isnt, there cant be numerous gods though. But god is everything and that goes for you and I and/or what ever else you can think of. Pantheons we choose out of a sense of relation, or sometimes they choose you; either way, the demigod or pantheon is like one of many rivers leading to the same body of water, which is god.

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Bhagavad-gītā As It Is: 9.25
Those who worship the demigods will take birth among the demigods; those who worship the ancestors go to the ancestors; those who worship ghosts and spirits will take birth among such beings; and those who worship Me will live with Me.

When you worship multiple gods, what you are actually doing is recognizing important natural and cultural phenomenons.
 
i agree with that, except i cant worship them more then god, which is i equal to they as a rock is.

i believe strongly in singularity.

Well then you are a Christian if you will only worship "almighty god". I don't even truly call my beliefs "worship". I smoke weed for my gods, I live in the aspects of my gods. But I don't sit around bowing to them, or asking for help from them all day.
 
Well then you are a Christian if you will only worship "almighty god". I don't even truly call my beliefs "worship". I smoke weed for my gods, I live in the aspects of my gods. But I don't sit around bowing to them, or asking for help from them all day.

not really, i believe in Christ, but when it comes to christianity i can draw more discrepancies than are noted. i posted a reference to Krishna above; KRSNA Christ and the Buddha are who I keep in thought neath the omnipresent.
 
not really, i believe in Christ, but when it comes to christianity i can draw more discrepancies than are noted. i posted a reference to Krishna above; KRSNA Christ and the Buddha are who I keep in thought neath the omnipresent.

If you can believe in Krishna, Jesus and the "almighty god". Then you understand believing in multiple gods. Christianity or "Christ" is your social god. And Krishna is more like your philosophical god. They are just natural phenomenon, and aspects of society but you see them as important.
 
If you can believe in Krishna, Jesus and the "almighty god". Then you understand believing in multiple gods. Christianity or "Christ" is your social god. And Krishna is more like your philosophical god. They are just natural phenomenon, and aspects of society but you see them as important.

from each of the deities, are many pantheons. Jesus the embodiment of Christ Consciousness, Krishna the same as such, Thee Buddha can not be denied either the same respect.
 
from each of the deities, are many pantheons. Jesus the embodiment of Christ Consciousness, Krishna the same as such, Thee Buddha can not be denied either the same respect.

Just because you have ways to justify it, doesn't mean that you don't have multiple gods. I can explain to you (in detail) how ALL the hindu gods are really just one god. But you consider them to be polytheists still, right?
 
I am also godless. I don't know if we'll ever fully understand the cosmos, but we sprouted from it along with the rest of the animals and plants. We are a way for the cosmos, to know itself, as Carl Sagan says. I've recently been listening to Alan Watts' lectures on YouTube, they are quite enlightening.
 
if you have a god that is the representation of one god, they are not but that. as are we.

Ok, well then let me explain something to you. ALL hindu gods can be broken down into THREE main gods. Then those three gods are considered a holy trinity, makng them 3 forms of the same thing. So ALL gods in the hindu faith are really just one god. "Brahma".

And if you look back far enough, MOST pagan gods can be broken down into forms of Shiva or Pan. Which come together to actually form the FIRST god we have seen recorded, from the Indus Valley Civilization (the first civilization we know of). That god is Pashupati. So really there is only ONE god and it is Pashupati, and all gods are really just forms of him.
 
if you choose to call the omnipresent creator, Pashupati, then him he must be.

I do not call the omnipresent creator Pashupati. I call any god of Earth Pashupati. He created nothing, he is simply something that we can witness and expect to happen in nature and society. This is what I have been trying to describe this whole time.

He is the congregation of humans in the name of ANYTHING. Whether it be god. The hunt. Dancing. Parenting. ANYTHING. He is simply civilization and nature HAPPENING.
 
The announcement of Pan's death (in ancient times) was a mistake!!!!

I am here to announce that pan is alive.
The mountains are roaring, and the prairies are dancing. Feel the presence.

Embrace the best and worst about yourself as one.
Listen to the wilderness, and it can not be mistaken.

The Great God Pan is Alive!!
The world is calling to us. LISTEN



The Wilderness.
Go outside, and not just on the sidewalk... REAL woods or some shit. Listen.
Do it a few times while getting stoned maybe, to help your perception be deeper.

Then go back to the sidewalk/to your yard, listen.

Think about yourself, the things you WOULD change and the things you LOVE about yourself. Accept them as impossible without each other.

Scratch a dog/cat on its head, behind its ears. Sit with your pet for a while, and try to understand who you are with it/to it. Try to understand who your pet is to HIMSELF.

THEN repeat steps 1 and 2. (True outdoor observation, followed by false outdoor observation)
LISTEN.
LISTEN.
LISTEN.

Pan is there.
His death was a lie.
 
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