a possible paine free opiate withdrawl method, check it out !

[gnume]

hi i've been on bluelight reading posts for quit some time. and i decided to register to post this method i use to detox from any opiates
just to help out people that might be in the same situation as me.

now just one note i've figured this method out on my own (not say someone hasn't done this before) but i've only tested it on myself and works perfectly for me
i know that everybody has different body chemistry so i dont know if this will work for others but ill post it
and if someone is willing to try it out and let me know their results would be great to know and would be very beneficial.

so here is my backstory on how i got started with opiates and dosages etc

im a 20 year old male Caucasian

when i was 8 years old i had a sudden and unexplainable paiin in my pelvis lower back upper stomach and upper back
the pain was a 10/10 (and i know pain since i was in an accident a few years later with a band saw where it cut halfway into my shoulder blades and the pain i experienced when i was 8 was much much worse, but anyway)
i went to hundreds of doctors to try to figure out what was cause this pain and to this day (12 years later) im still sufferring ever night i scream my lungs out in an attempt to release stress and keep my mind of the pain.
i walk with a limp on my right leg because if put pressure on it i get searing pain in the region of my hips. also i get sensations of electric shock at about a steady rate of 3 -6 time an hour in my upper thighs and when the shocks happen
i simultaneously get that senation in my head like someone scratching a chalkboard with their nails radiating from the center of my brain outwards.
physically im pretty healthy, other than the injury in my shoulder extremely mild disk bulges that are only visible on an mri if the doctor is looking for them and a fusion i was born with of my right transverse process or my L5 vertebra and my Sacrum, and a mild case of ADD

so thats what im suffering with constantly, to the point where sometimes i go weeks without showering, i havent left my house in months because it hurts to much to stand.

so i was prscribed these meds when i was 10 years old and have been on them since

fentanyl patch
oxymorphone IR
oxycodone IR

and basically my doctor lets me chose between oxym or oxyc depending on how much my flare ups are intense
and the fent patch replaced ever day and a half because my body obsorbes and matabolizes it fast

anyway ive been on a constant dosage for 10 years and have never abused my medications. but to fight the tolerance
what i do is go through voluntary withdrawals the last week of the month so that when i start up the next month my meds work well

the point of this method is NOT to get you high its to make it so you have no pain or sweating or shit like that from withdrawls so if your looking to get high this isn't for you
and to do that the process is simple

all you need is:

1 dose of your drug of choice make sure its instant release and that ur able to cut the pill without killing yourself so for example (120 mgs oxycodone)
1 bottle of loperamide 2mg pill for is the best make sure its loperdamide ONLY nothing else mixed in (if you live in the US, go to a target they sell generic for labeled "simply right anti diarrheal" has 350 pills for *snip* usd)
1 pill cutter from your pharmacy
A stimulant of your choosing (i have ADD so i have a script of vyvanse readily available to me. long acting form would be the best in this situation. but if you dont have a script pick up some psudophedrine from your pharmacy counter, and caffeine diet pills. when you combine the two its almost exactly like taking dextroamphetamine be carefull with the dosages tho)
(optional) 50mg diphenhydramine gel capsules ( not really needed but you can buy to be on the safe side )

what you do is simple
take your drug of choice split it in half take that dose with your choice of ROA (leave the other half alone and have some self control)
wait till it kicks in if you are still uncomfortable then take loperamide but dont take like 100 pills like other methods tell you. because your mixing lope with your drug of choice this allows you to take small amounts of loperamide and be extremely comfortable. but do take it if your already comfortable and you dont need it because youll need them later. start with 4mgs and add another 4 untill your comfortable. with all the opiates im taking ive found ive never had to take more than 8 mgs at once
remember you only take your drug of choice 1 dose per day or it just defeats the purpose
when your drug of choise runs out and you cant feel it anymore dont immediately redose loperamide wait until you start feeling uncomfortable because that 30 mins of discomfort is important.
now the second phase.
for the next day and a half you will not redose your drug of choise instead this is where you will really use loperamide and your stimulant of choice to it full effect
start with 8 mgs when you wake up
if after 1 hour your still uncomfortable add 2 mgs and every 3 hours after add 2 mgs but dont over do it once u feel ok you dont need to redose until you feel bad again
now here is why i recommend a stimulant

subjectively (to me atleast) loperamide + stimulant = same effects as opiate
and chemically the effect is similar because loperamide binds to opiate receptors in the body and stimulant releases dopamine in the brain like and opiate would do but doesn't use the same pathways
so the effect this has is, your brain still feels good but it gives the frontal cortex time to synthesize the g coupled protein receptors the opiates bind to and allows those neurons to repopulate their
post synaptic clefts with those proteins reversing receptor down regulation increasing tolerance and making you more sensitive to your natural endorphins.

another effect that this combination has is loperamide stops all the nausea and diarreah in its tracks and the stimulant balances out the effect of loperamide stopping your stools from being rock hard yet
not being like gravy either.

one important thing tho. YOU must take your stimulant in the morning dont take it in the afternoon or at night or you will intensify insomnia if you take it in the morning it will wear you out durring the day and actually counteract the insomnia originating from the withdrawls and loperamide will take care of the rest.

also DO NOT combine your stimulant with your original drug of choice or you risk overdosing or doing harm to yourself (YOU ARE FOREWARNED) remember this is a detox procedure not a way to get high

and just keep alternating, 1 day drug of choice next day stimulant and compensate with loperamide but you shouldnt need lope for more than 10 days remember lope is an opiate and you can get hooked on it. if you dont use it for more than 4 days you wont need to titrate it down you can just stop it immediately and you shouldn't suffer at all.

one more imortant thing BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL WITH YOUR STIMULANT do not trade one addiction with another (while stimulant withdrawl is a cakewalk compared to opiate, for me atleast, you will still be putting yourself through unwarrented suffering and no one likes that) so don't use your stimulant for more than 7 days if you alternate like i described everything should line up perfectly. just alternate and keep cutting the dose in half every 48 hours until your reach crumbs.

if your dose is high then simply do this

starting at 120 mgs oxyc
day 1 60 mgs oxyc (split over entire day multiple doses and only take 1 or 2 lope if your really have to because you'll want to leave that for later)
day 2 30 mgs oxyc + 20 mgs loperamide (this is where us really start with the lope remember to split your dose over the whole day)
day 3 Stimulant + 40 mgs loperamide (carefull with your stimulant dosing and do it in the morning only)
day 4 15 mgs oxyc + 15 mgs lope (also start trying to lower your lope dosage at the same time)
day 5 Stimulant + 30 mgs loperamide
day 6 7.5 mgs oxyc + 8 mgs loperamide
day 7 Stimulant + 20 mgs loperamide
day 8 3.75 mgs oxyc + 4 mgs loperamide
day 9 Stimulant + 10 mgs loperamide
day 10 1.875 mgs oxyc + 2 mgs loperamide (from this point on no more Stimulants)
day 11 6 mgs loperamide
day 12 4 mgs loperamide
day 13 2 mgs loperamide (only 1 pill)
day 14 YOUR FREEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

so thats how you titrate down with just 1 dose of your opiate of choice and there is practically no pain no nausea no diarreah and relatively no insomnia or rls

remember the above is an example only and your loperamide dosages may vary from person to person
im not an expert with stimulant so i didnt mention any dosages or chemical names because i just dont know enough about them. since i have a script of vyvanse i just take my regular dose for this process
so if someone is an expert it would be great to give us some tips on SAFE dosages for over the counter stimulants. and PLEASE PLEASE assume that the people reading this are not tolerant to stimulants when you give out dosages
and they dont have to be levels that get people super high just enough to feel normal.

and the benifit of this method is that the lower you dosage habit is the faster the titration will be.

for sleep aids diphenhydramine IS an anti histamine so DO NOT take it when you take your stimulant i know that mixing diphenhydramine and stimulants are bad combos so take only at night
and ONLY if you cant sleep but that should be a problem with this method because trust me those stimulants will wear you out by the time its night the crash will make you will sleep like a baby and becarefull with using it on the day that your take your opiate of choice as that can cause repository depression aswell.

well thats my method i've been using it for the past 6 years (ofcourse i was on a different stimulant back then but same concept) and i wrote this while doing this method so i can atleast tell you it works and i go through them volentaraly every month. and its much harder for me to quit because not only do i have to go through withdrawl pains buton top of the my original pain makes it excruciating. that's why i made a detox method that actually involved opiates.

no ofcourse i naturally have alot of pain so i may be more tolerant and patient then other but who knows. i hope this helps other people. and ill be looking forward to you comments and criticism. maybe you guys want to add other stuff to the process like multivitamine or things of that nature just remember to look at all the interactions between medications and possible risks before advising something. the point is to help not harm

 

[RobotRipping]

well i personally would not use stimulants ever during a withdrawal but that's just me. That's just a standard taper with lope thrown in. It's not bad but it's not pain free either. PAWS will kick in after that point and that is the worst part of opiate withdrawal. The acute stage is fun compared to PAWS. It's been 3 months since i quit PST (morphine/codeine/thebaine) and i still get restless legs and arms, so i have to take immodium or kratom to relieve this, even after all that time.

btw you can mix antihistamines and opiates without issue, they go well together actually.


I think since you only do this for a short period then go back on your meds you're really missing the aspects that make withdrawal hurt the most and make so many people relapse/ruin their lives. Thanks for the post though, interesting read.

 

[gnume]

here is the thing tho that you might have missed. stimulants by them selves are not fun during withdrawals but thats because people that tried them may have only taken stimulants on their own. so they had nothing to compensate for the side effects of stimulants. stimulants increase signaling between the brain and the muscles in your body... so by themselves they will cause the muscles in your stomach to contract rapidly push everything through very fast and you get supper diarreah that combinde with the diarreah from withdrawls its hell. BUT and this is a huge but, loperamide is a signal hog. it has extremly high affinity to opiod receptors in the nervous system it will literally shut down signalling and that is why if you take a dose of loperamide (large dose) with an opiate you will not feel the body high and the effects are greatly stunted. lopermide isolates the stimulant effect to the brain only and the signalling from the brain will not be as effective. a nice experiment would be take a dose of a stimulant that normally gives tachycardia and combine it with loperamide and you will see that your heart rate will drastically lower.

another point im not sure if i miss typed or you missread but i said dont combine antihistamines with stimulants thats a major no no you can kill yourself doing that (opiates are fine as long as the dosages are reasonable, mixing high doses of opiates and a a dose of antihistamins together and you run the risk of respiratory depression so its not 100% safe but like u said they're fine in reasonable doses)

also a standard taper required multiple doses of your opiate, the difference with this is that you taper with only 1 dose. if you add up all the tapering dosages they total to 1 dose you would use normally
this is beneficial to people for example that run out too early of their medicine before they can get a new script and have no way of filling a new script early
also 1 thing your forgetting is the psychological impact of stopping the medicine all at once and attempting to just fill in the void with loperamide. like you said there are other factors that make people jump back after quitting.
but if you incorporate your drug of choice in your withdrawl procedure your much more likely to succeed because in your mind your are still taking your meds. also in a standard taper
people jump off to soon so for example they're at 200 mgs oxyc and taper down to 20 mgs and jump off. well that was a waste of a taper because 20 mg jump wont do crap to lessen the symptoms. its why they were at 200 mgs in the first place
cause if people could jump off from 20 mgs they would have stopped before hand without problem.

combining your drug of choise and compensating with loperamide STOPS PAWS 100% i swear to you. its the perfect tapers and im saying this because ive gone through it about over 100 times over the past 12 years no problem and even if one starts up
after ceasing it wont stop the paws from hitting you like a train that really has no bearing on the success of this method

one more thing i have gone a year without opiates after 4 years of everyday use once just fine using this method.

and one more thing id like to add is that i dont drink or some or take anything recreationally but i do take high doses for the pain so same concept. point is that one year i stopped i didn't trade one addiction for another so just saying (for me atleast) once i get through Post acute withdrawal syndrome everything after that is a cake walk but then again thats just me. prolly cause the constant pain i have masks every single emotion. hardened me like a turnip XD. but ofcourse maybe the pain i have is a blessing cause i do recognize that mental pain is much much harder to overcome than physical pain, so maybe people that take drugs because of hardships in life or severe depression are worse off when they quit cause of the rebound effect. like i said this method i tried it on myself i know it works for me so putting it out there for anyone who is willing to try it out and post a response.

 

[Vaya]

Hi gnume,

This thread, though on the topic of pursuing a successful withdrawal, contains a lot of drug talk that many would consider triggering.
However, the thread's intended purpose is harm reduction - something that Bluelight obviously champions quite intensely across its many varied forums.

I believe that this thread will find a better audience in Other Drugs; I am going to go ahead and move it over there.

Thanks for posting your methods. I hope they help a great number of addicts!!

TDS >>> OD

~ Vaya

 

[Dash Riprock]

Paine free opiate withdrawal method? Easily achieved, just avoid reading The Rights of Man whilst coming down....

:D

 

[DooMMooD]

Telling a bunch of addicts to "leave the other half alone and have some self control" is like telling a pack of hyenas not to devour a carcass (while laughing uncontrollably).

In short: it does not work.

The fact that you were able to do so tells me you are not an addict, but rather someone who suffered physical dependency as a result of being prescribed meds. Which ones again re-enforces the belief that theres something different in an addict from a normal user.

 

[Groundhogdayagain]

Telling a bunch of addicts to "leave the other half alone and have some self control" is like telling a pack of hyenas not to devour a carcass (while laughing uncontrollably).

In short: it does not work.

The fact that you were able to do so tells me you are not an addict, but rather someone who suffered physical dependency as a result of being prescribed meds. Which ones again re-enforces the belief that theres something different in an addict from a normal user.

I concur. This is exactly what differentiates physical dependence vs addiction.

On a another note, I recently relapsed on some oxycodone on day 3 of my withdrawal. Good news is, I didn't go crazy and get high, more like it made me feel normal not sick anymore. Now, I intend to keep fighting, not going to be chained to the poppy for the rest of my life.
My little relapse brought back withdrawal symptoms today, albeit not horrific, given the fact that I have greatly reduced my habit/ tolerance.
Hearing so much about lope and kratom, I decided to give them a try. I took 15 2 mg lope tabs and a few hours later a dose of kratom (3 grams). I am in complete shock that I am currently experiencing zero WD symptoms. I was skeptical, but figured might as well give this method a try. I would like to add that this probably works best when your habit is light, such as 100 mgs of oxycodone daily. I wonder how it would work if you had like a 2 gram a day smack habit.
Anyone out there try this method with a big habit?

 

[Jabberwocky]

I think that the OP brings up some valid points. Again as others have stated its like hell to not take that other half but if you're keen on quitting perhaps you can hold back your urges.

Stimulants have shown to help people in withdrawal quite a lot actually. I know when I was withdrawing from opiates a few times, the dexedrine was the only thing getting me through the days without feeling like absolute shit. I used lop along side it too to help my withdrawal. It did seem to ease the pain quite substantially. But take heed of warning - stimulants on their own will make withdrawal 100 times worse. You'll shit more (which is absolutely horrifying) you'll shake and you'll feel pretty damn anxious. Your blood pressure will be elevated further and you'll not be in a good way. You need the lop or else you'll suffer even worse.

 

[HighonLife]

im glad this worked for you OP

and i hope some people get something outta your post

as others have said it seems like perhaps you lack that 'addiction' n just have physical dependence from pain management (btw thats a pretty sweet opiate regimine your dr gave you ) also a taper gets one past the acute withdrawals but PAWS is way worse, getting over the hump is tough n its what makes most peoples attempts to quit unsuccesful but thats just sickness, thats the easy part IMO


i just think it needs to be said that there is NO PAINLESS WITHDRAWAL METHOD from opiates, people in the early stages of use dont need to hear that there is an easy way out n if you get in too deep just taper off (although i believe whole heartedly its the best way to go, Im not a fan of CT or long maintenance programs personally)

something i heard somewhere that i cant remember that was in reference to Heroin/Opiate addiction

THE PIED PIPER ALWAYS COLLECTS

should never be forgotten imo