Harm Reduction OD Social v12 - Zero Tolerance

[Toz]

I've never actually done a real speedball, but I have shot up a combination of amphetamine sulphate and heroin a couple of times. Is the real deal alot better? I mostly found the amphetamine overpowered the heroin. Maybe my dosages were off, but usually I prefer my stims first and opiates later. The opiates always seem to feel twice as nice when coming down from a stimulant.

 

[tentram]

@tentram....I am not trying at all to turn the OD social into some kind of sex thread, but I read your post about your sex drive in the lounge. After I went through hell to wean myself off a heavy morphine and oxy habit (all prescribed) my sex drive was nil. It was nil the entire time I was on the meds and then for about 4 or 5 months after. Then, it came back, and it came back big time.

Get your testosterone checked, for real. If it is low, and it probably is, it has more implications for your health than just your sex drive.

Glad you got some weed. I am going to try to take a break myself and only indulge at night so I can fall asleep, or when I am having a bad pain day. And you nailed it on the you suck comment, btw!

yeah, i'll be talking to my doc in a weeks time at my next visit to him, should get everything organised rather quickly and easily. they'll likely do what they need to do there in the practice as they're pretty well set up. if it is low it would explain a lot of symptoms i've been going through for a while now which we've never found the root cause for, either, which is most frustrating but that's how the dice rolls sometimes.

best of luck with your cutting down on the weed too! they sound like some good enough boundaries you've set up for yourself there's so much more to be had out of smoking once a day rather than all day every day and it losing it's efficacy in regards to all it's benefits.

wanky? artsy-fartsy? lol i don't think you understood me.

and also I lol'd at what you did with my screenname in your quote.

Anyway, hows everybod? What are you guys up to this fine afternoon? I'm gonna go do a bit of coke with my friend in a few hours, and possibly hang out with ErgicMergic, if he picks up his fucking phone. he's probably not even awake, he's rarely conscious during daylight.

i understand completely artsy fartsy, guy

i'm well, just woke up and chilling out. had my morning shot and about to have a couple morning cones from the leftovers i've got from last night's session :D later today i'm going to catch up and chill out with a mate as he is back in town for a little while.

gonna hangout with ergic hey? awesome! he's a solid guy it seems from his posting on here. what's the plans there, eh?

If you were here I'd give them to you for free, I'd go through hell and back before I ever take another lyrica/gabapentin pill again. There is no worse withdrawal in the world than the one caused by these pills.

(would you mind and) cam you describe what the wd was like coming off that? i was lucky enough to escape dependency and wd's as a result of cessation. i'm interested in hearing of more wd accounts as i've never really read to many people's accounts.

morning OD people! guess what? yep, had my morning shot now sipping on a coffee smoking a few cigarettes and about to whipout the bong to finish off my weed that dad gave me last night :D then probably freshen up with an awesomely long and cool shower! its 930am and alread 27 celsius already! ugh!

Is the coke good? Can I have some?

NO COKE FOR YOU! it can all go to me!

how are the OD peeps going today, eh?

 

[laCster]

I'm good man..to be honest, I'm craving a big fat speedball. I haven't shot coke in a while and I'm starting to think about it way too fucking much. That's all I need though..to go back to being a psychotic IV coke fiend. 8(

I feel yah man, the morphine I took a couple days ago got Mr craving opiates hard, but I don't want to go back to the needle and heroin, my life sucked.

I can tell yah this, wait 60mins while getting your mind off drugs and after that hour if you still want to use than that's a choice you have to make. Do you want to go back ? We all know that excuse of saying it'd just one time and I'm notbgoing to do it again. Then one.time turns into.two, and then you are shooting up everyday

I've never actually done a real speedball, but I have shot up a combination of amphetamine sulphate and heroin a couple of times. Is the real deal alot better? I mostly found the amphetamine overpowered the heroin. Maybe my dosages were off, but usually I prefer my stims first and opiates later. The opiates always seem to feel twice as nice when coming down from a stimulant.

Yah it feels similar honestly. I thino meth and heroin is just as good as amps exponentially increase thr euphoria of opiates. Coke and heroin is different because iv coke is short and combines with thr rush of heroin and you feel good and termed for 30mins, then the coke wears off and you feel thr bliss of heroin



I see how it is tentram, yay im doing good. How bout tmyou? You sound like you are having a good morning

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I dabbed some wax for first time last night. Smoking weed will never bee the same...

What up scag, captain, beach, tent, and everyone elsek tally having a good day?

What did you think of the wax? What strain was it?

I'm having a good day, about to go pick up more wax, and about to hang out with some chill people.

and possibly hang out with ErgicMergic, if he picks up his fucking phone. he's probably not even awake, he's rarely conscious during daylight.

Probably better to try during the night time if he doesn't get back to you.

hey does anyone know if it's particularly dangerous to mix coke with suboxone? I'm not on maintenance, I'm actually high from the suboxone.

Cocaine in itself can be dangerous and I think you have already heard all about that. The combination in itself won't be more dangerous than cocaine by itself.

 

[Toz]

Tentram, did you mean for me to describe WDs coming of gabapentin? Ok, they are still in full force after 6 months (yes I suffer physical withdrawal still now 6 months after my last dose) was taking 3600mg daily as I recall. Stopped cold turkey (horrible idea). It feels like there is fire inside me, and any pressure (and by pressure I mean wearing clothing is enough) on my skin will result in extreme pain (if I lay on the same side for more than 10mins in bed it will burn so badly I have to get up again). At the beginning of the withdrawal I used morphine/ketobemidone etc to try and dull the pain but it really didn't do much at all. It is the worst pain I have ever felt in my entire life and while it has gotten better, it's still nowhere near good now 6 months later. Also double vision, constant dizzyness and flu like pains. I've been laying in bed mostly for the last 6 months hoping this will get better in time, but I am really losing hope.

I've been through methadone, buprenorphine, clonazepam and heroin withdrawal after years of use but none of them come close to the hell I have experienced (and still am) coming off the gabapentin.

I know this is not a usual reaction, so for all of you who don't get WDs, I am happy for you.

Yah it feels similar honestly. I thino meth and heroin is just as good as amps exponentially increase thr euphoria of opiates. Coke and heroin is different because iv coke is short and combines with thr rush of heroin and you feel good and termed for 30mins, then the coke wears off and you feel thr bliss of heroin

Ok Lately though I've been thinking about a DMT+Heroin IV combo, no idea what to call it but it could be an interesting experience. Could lead to psychedelic 7th heaven :D

 

[tentram]

you see how it is, lacster? i didn't even see you there because of the avatar change! what's up with that? it's like there's a fresh poster whenever someone changes their avatar.

i am indeed having a good morning. i would liked to have had more of a sleep in but it's starting to get too warm and i find it's almost impossible, even with a fan blaring on the body, to fall and stay asleep in the heat where i live

how you been, mate?

Tentram, did you mean for me to describe WDs coming of gabapentin?

yeah i did. thanks, man, i appreciate it are you positive those lingering effects you described are totally unrelated and something else entirely? that sounds extremely unusual if they are extended wd's as those of benzo's can be the description sounds like a pain control issue to me, but hey, i[m no doctor.

i can totally relate with the burning sensations you feel when laying down on one side. a lot of my nerve related pain is like a burning, throbbing ache. my lumbar area (wherein my main problem lies) can feel as though it's on fire at times while someone is slowly but intently knocking it with something like a sledge hammer. that's just scratching the surface of the different aches and pains i feel over the place.

 

[Toz]

I am positive it is from the gabapentin, these symptoms developed during the week after I had discontinued the gabapentin. I've also read on other message boards people have the same problems as me when quitting gabapentin, some even lasting over a year. I was 100% healthy before getting on the gabapentin and suffered no nerve pain or such as I do now.

Then again, my father was on the same dose much longer and he just quit (or rather changed to another anticonvulsant) with little discomfort.

I guess I'm unlucky as always, today at least I've found relief in the benzos, it helped alot against the burning sensation/anxiety. It's ironic, I originally got on the gabapentin as a safer alternative to benzos. "not as addicting" I was told. Yea right.

 

[tricomb]

Whats up tentram!

 

[Tryptamino]

Is the coke good? Can I have some?

OMG its amazing

 

[tentram]

I am positive it is from the gabapentin, these symptoms developed during the week after I had discontinued the gabapentin. I've also read on other message boards people have the same problems as me when quitting gabapentin, some even lasting over a year. I was 100% healthy before getting on the gabapentin and suffered no nerve pain or such as I do now.

Then again, my father was on the same dose much longer and he just quit (or rather changed to another anticonvulsant) with little discomfort.

I guess I'm unlucky as always, today at least I've found relief in the benzos, it helped alot against the burning sensation/anxiety. It's ironic, I originally got on the gabapentin as a safer alternative to benzos. "not as addicting" I was told. Yea right.

damn, you got hard done by that's for sure. have you spoken about all this with your doctor? i'm assuming so but, if not do it! i'm not sure i've heard of too many with this complain - i'm going to do some looking into it shortly. i'm not aware of any such anecdotes such as this on BL anyway i don't think but there very well may be such stories in the megathread. you should check that thread out if you haven't alread

Whats up tentram!

just relaxin, man. slowly having breakfast and waking up. dad's just taken the car so i'm stuck at home for a while longer at least. how about you, man?

OMG its amazing

well you know what to do; pull out and set up the lines for us all. i'll take mine into the bathroom with the rig though unless of course you're not offended by me doing myself up in the OD Lounge?

i'm going to peel myself a fresh cooled down mango and get a bowl of grapes. yum!

 

[Tryptamino]

^by all means, knock yourself out

I also got some more ketamine!

 

[helium-4]

Man you know whats frustrating? Benzos. They really don't do shit for me anymore. I've had a script for 2mg of clonazepam for about 10 months then a script for 2mg of xanax for 4 months. I never take them for the whole 30 days, only usually ~2 weeks - 2 and a half weeks, 'getting rid of' usually 10-20mg of the 60mg script every month. I haven't developed a physical dependence to them, or really even a psychological dependence, as well as never taking more than 4-5mg at a time (usually only 1-2mg). However even if I take like 4mg of alprazolam, all I get is anxiety relief and some help sleeping, just no semi-recreational effects at all. Not that benzos are very recreational, but I used to atleast feel nice and relaxed/chilled the fuck out. But now its nothing. Kinda lame.


I wish I had some ketamine. I'd kill for a IM shot


Interesting about the gabapentin causing a paradoxical reaction after discontinuing. I used gabapentin for a good year and never had any problems. Honestly found it to be one of the most benign drugs out there. Also when you have little or no tolerance a fantastic drug to take when going out say to the bar, or to a party drinking. It is so awesome for social anxiety, or just to help open you up if your not socially anxious, and also allows you to only need like 1-3 drinks tops the whole night to be nice and drunk at the right dose. I found it great for going to the bar and hitting on chicks when I was at college. Also with not drinking as much alcohol, the high/'drunken' like state you get is more clear and less obnoxious as alcohol, so it can be a nice choice than just alcohol which can make you act like an idiot.

 

[helium-4]

lol I'm watching some original star trek right now, season 1 episode 13. Watched a handful of season one like 2 or 3 years ago, so decide to put it on in the background while I'm bling

 

[Toz]

I agree on the benzo frustration, was addicted for some years but I have now had a half a year break from them. Taken 6mg clonazepam now and I can't even sleep. Oh well, at least they relieved some anxiety.

I so badly want a shot of ketobemidone now, make all this pain go away... But it's only 24 days since I quit taking tramadol (which I am a bit embarassed I managed to get addicted to) and I don't feel too well yet, so maybe that's not a good idea.

Still, I want to kill the pain desperately.

It's funny, whenever I am off the opiates all I can think about is getting back on them and when I am on them, all I can think about is getting off. It's like a never-ending cycle of frustration.

 

[Tryptamino]

It's funny, whenever I am off the opiates all I can think about is getting back on them and when I am on them, all I can think about is getting off. It's like a never-ending cycle of frustration.

Addiction in a nutshell.

I've stopped the coke for tonight, left a nice little bit in the bag, which I'm gonna save for when I have opiates. I'm gonna do the same with the ketamine. I'm gonna plug a coke/oxy shot, and then snort ketamine a little bit after the coke wears off.

 

[tricomb]

Chillin so good

 

[Tryptamino]

Chillin so good

Me too, doing lines of k and doing dabs

 

[tricomb]

im on my normal oxy, and some other goodies, dabbing tons of wax. keepin that propane torch running alllllll nigggghhhtt lonnnngggg

 

[Captain.Heroin]

im on my normal oxy, and some other goodies, dabbing tons of wax. keepin that propane torch running alllllll nigggghhhtt lonnnngggg

hahaha

I dabbed some CO2 wax and it was the bomb. Can't wait to dab some more after some sleep. %)

 

[tricomb]

Can't wait to dab some more after some sleep.

^^^