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Men like women with no makeup? WAT??

^That combination - that's dressing like a bit of a slapper - too obvious in other words.

Personally(as in this instance I really can't speak for anyone else), I tend to find this kind of girl attention seeking and a bit whoreish. Physically attractive nonetheless, but personally, now I have learn about people a great deal over the past 3 years especially, I would tend to say no.

Just over a month ago, when I was dancing at this dub night - it was teh end of a dry spell of about 7 months, no more than kissing in that time( definitely an interesting one) - I was in such a good mood and so happy to be going out to a club to dance again after not dancing much with other people for ages, and my vibrations and energy were really high and pure, so I had all manner of women coming onto me; stroking my chest, giving me the eye as they walked past etc.
I never had (or noticed at least haha) SO MANY women come onto me in one night before - one gal even kept showing up next to me, obviously wanting me to dance with her, she turned up at the bar, the dancefloor a few times when I would find another spot(not to avoid her lol) - she'd turn up slowly - to the point where the last time she moved up in front to about 4 inches away from me, turning her head and looking to the side like a dog does - so she using just peripheral vision, and when I didn't grind on her ass, after she was there for about 3 minutes, and I actually burst out laughin, she did this massive *huff* with a bunch up and sudden drop of her shoulders and stomped off!

She was a very beautiful girl, but because she was wearing a bunch of makeup, a mini skirt, probably high heels but I don't tend to look at gals feet much ;) - just very revealing clothes - and was acting very obvious, which is now kinda unattractive for me, for one of the first times in my life I didn't just grab/grind someone I was halfway attracted to(she was fucking gorgeous though :/).

I like a girl to be more organic in her femininity, human not just mammal in the way she carries herself(so it played out that night I got exactly what I was looking for, and it was one of the most organic pick ups I have ever had, and the woman really respected herself to be herself).

This is why (especially for S_L LOL) I do not recommend that combo - It's all unnecessary, and would put her very far outside her comfort zone in my opinion.

A tasteful, but hugging dress would do it, a touch of eyeliner/blusher, maybe a flower in her hair, or a bow, and noticing ones mannerisms, especially particular kinds of eye contact.
 
Maybe it's just the freshness of it that's appealing. For special occasions absolutely I can dig it, but everyday just seems insane.

Maybe it's a confidence thing too... sort of an unspoken communication that you're comfortable in your own skin, and you don't need to mar yourself with synthetic alterations in order to feel beautiful.
 
I agree, although it's hard on chicks cause from a very young age they are conditioned through media and social pressure to believe that they in themselves are inadequate without the latest kind of make-up or clothes or whatever the fashion of the moment is. Because these beliefs begin to be ingrained from very early on, before real critical thinking faculties are developed, they may remain in even the most intelligent of people till later life. It's pretty analogous to religious indoctrination.
 
Oh and to whoever says that conservatively dressed women aren't sexual are kidding themselves. I dress conservatively (and, admittedly, somewhat masculine) because it's how I want to be dressed. Get me into bed and you won't regret it. I don't have nice breasteseses, have a decent bottom, have a decent face, above average intelligence, and am completely self sufficient, but there are next to no men that would go out with me because I don't wear a push up bra or tight pants?

Gives me TONS of hope for the direction of the world.

Keep the hope, for some of us, what you've described is just what we're looking for.
 
He's no different than a lot of people. They date whatever comes along until there's the opportunity for an upgrade.

This is what I'm saying. Guys will date you regardless of how you dress, how you take care of your nails, whatever. At least until they meet a hotter girl.
 
^if you mean just physically hot, I really don't agree. Everyone is different, but looks aren't everything, nor are tits or ass, a great personality and intelligence can make up for much - it's a bonus if they have BOTH. Wow, then we're really talking.

KingBlue - totally hear you on all of that, brother, I especially like the religion analogy comment - It applies to a whole lot more - conditioned to believe we need external factors, when truly, if we are disciplined enough, we need NOTHING else but ourselves. Everything else is either a bonus, a hindrance, a stop gap, or some other kind of ego attachment.

Gals - trust me, you can quite easily find a guy who gets you, without getting all dolled up, if you act yourself and change your vibrations to good pure ones, and stop looking.

We all know that situation when we stop looking, and unexpectedly find the right person at the right time, I'm sure.
 
^if you mean just physically hot, I really don't agree. Everyone is different, but looks aren't everything, nor are tits or ass, a great personality and intelligence can make up for much - it's a bonus if they have BOTH. Wow, then we're really talking.

I'm not saying hotness is the only factor guys take into account. All I'm saying is that regardless of your makeup, nails, hair, earring size and all that other bullshit, guys want to fuck you. Obviously when you have a choice between two girls intelligence and personality and all that other stuff comes into play. But there has never been a conversation between two guys that went like this:

Dude A: "So why'd you go with Vanessa instead of Jamie?"
Dude B: "Well, I really like Jamie, but Vanessa layers her foundation better. Also, I like her shoes better."

I don't know how to make this any more clear.
 
This whole debate makes me a little tired. Effusion, I totally get the point you are trying to make...girls don't have to "do" anything to get guys to fuck them.

On a VERY basic level, that is true.

However, it is the generalization that bothers me. ALL men are not like that.

I liked what B1tO'RoughJack had to say about acting yourself and changing your vibrations. I am a huge believer in this...as a case in point, I put this into practice and even at my worst, more pounds than I need, unkempt, etc, I have always found it easy to make a connection with a man that becomes sexual. I do not think it is just because "he wanted to fuck me" but rather that I project energy that says I am confident, sexy, smart, interesting, etc. *most* men pick up on this.

Also, for fucks sake, most makeup itself is a social construct applied to make the female of the species more sexually enticing...like blush and lipstick were used in the first place to mimic the flush and swelling of arousal, making a woman more attractive to a man.

But I really, really do NOT think it boils down to tits and ass only, unless you are 100% shallow
 
This whole debate makes me a little tired. Effusion, I totally get the point you are trying to make...girls don't have to "do" anything to get guys to fuck them.

On a VERY basic level, that is true.

However, it is the generalization that bothers me. ALL men are not like that.

I liked what B1tO'RoughJack had to say about acting yourself and changing your vibrations. I am a huge believer in this...as a case in point, I put this into practice and even at my worst, more pounds than I need, unkempt, etc, I have always found it easy to make a connection with a man that becomes sexual. I do not think it is just because "he wanted to fuck me" but rather that I project energy that says I am confident, sexy, smart, interesting, etc. *most* men pick up on this.

Personality matters. I never said it doesn't. I said all the extra shit (makeup etc) does not matter.

Also, for fucks sake, most makeup itself is a social construct applied to make the female of the species more sexually enticing...like blush and lipstick were used in the first place to mimic the flush and swelling of arousal, making a woman more attractive to a man.

But I really, really do NOT think it boils down to tits and ass only, unless you are 100% shallow

Again, I never said it did. Here's my second post:

Effuzion said:
Tits and ass is not all I'm attracted to. That's extremely shallow. It is, however, all that is going to swing me one way or the other when it comes to your appearance. If a girl is a 6 but has perfect cleavage, that's going to bump her up a few points. If you're a 6 and your best asset is well-manicured nails? Woop dee fuckin doo.

Y'all keep putting words in my mouth.
 
I thought you were gay, S_L? That's just a question and not meant to be rude. If you are indeed bi and are interested in men, then I'm sorry but you will lose to the girl who exudes her feminine sexuality, portrays herself as a little sex kitten, and generally puts off that vibe that she likes sex with men. It's perfectly natural for straight men to go after that type of girl. Even if it's just to have sex with her and not for a relationship, he still wants her at some level.

You might not care, and that's cool and you might even find some guy who befriends you and you eventually wind up having sex with him because you TELL him you're into men, but when men pick up on you being a butch lesbian, they will back off naturally. I honestly thought you were a butch lesbian and not interested in men.

You'll be surprised what a little makeup, heels and a mini skirt can do for a girl. lol

It hasn't been until relatively recently (a couple years or so) that I've started liking men. I'm not going to sit here and say I haven't had a taste of the difference, but my overwhelming majority of women vs. men makes guys uncomfortable. I'm definitely desired, especially now that my hair's a bit longer and I'm a little more confident in my skin and less backlashing than I used to be. I still wear the same clothing, but have started wearing jeans, whicb is a start...

I could see myself wearint a long summer dress, but as for the typical things women like to wear, I can never see myself feeling comfortable.

So no, I'm not completely butch and am trying to see if I can still feel comfortable trying to match my personality with a different look.

I'd like to break the "butch lesbian" stereotype and have been trying. I hate to admit though, I even have a somewhat masculine build.

One step at a time... I'll say one thing, though: once people have this image of you, it's hard to get that out of their heads...
 
Butch is the exact word that comes to mind when I see a picture of you and I don't even know you :(
I look forward to the transformation. If you weren't wearing jeans before what were you wearing?
 
I've posted pics in the lounge's picture thread. I normally wore/ still wear shorts, cargo pants and khakis.

I know a girl who was pretty butch and dated strictly women for 10 years or so. I just met her recently and she's done a 180 since then; she's very feminine and had she never told me and showed me pictures I would have never guessed. Anyway, I saw your picture (not stalking I swear) and if she can turn it around, you can too. She was wayyyyyy more butch than you.

This girl I'm thinking of always wears jeans, boots, big coats and very light makeup--not your standard "feminine" wardrobe--but I never thought twice about it. She's still hot. Only thing I would suggest you change if you want to attract guys is grow out your hair. Short hair isn't necessarily unattractive, but guys see it and think "she must like girls".
 
I think it also depends on the person. I never wear make-up and I've got to say I think I looked worse the few times I did, frankly. It suits some women better than others. 'Men like women with no make-up' = they think it's better if she doesn't need make-up to be beautiful, but sadly, most of us aren't blessed with that haha. I think it just means no one likes it went it's lathered on. Obviosuly.
 
^ not necessarily - it does accentuate beauty...however most girls I see on a day to day basis have no idea how to apply it. THey apply it like it's a fucking mask. Like they have something to cover up.

Your comment on lack of beauty is highly offensive as almost everyone on the earth is beautiful, in their own way.
there has never been a conversation between two guys that went like this:

Dude A: "So why'd you go with Vanessa instead of Jamie?"
Dude B: "Well, I really like Jamie, but Vanessa layers her foundation better. Also, I like her shoes better."

I just read this again...haha. this is fucking classic.
 
I know a girl who was pretty butch and dated strictly women for 10 years or so. I just met her recently and she's done a 180 since then; she's very feminine and had she never told me and showed me pictures I would have never guessed. Anyway, I saw your picture (not stalking I swear) and if she can turn it around, you can too. She was wayyyyyy more butch than you.

This girl I'm thinking of always wears jeans, boots, big coats and very light makeup--not your standard "feminine" wardrobe--but I never thought twice about it. She's still hot. Only thing I would suggest you change if you want to attract guys is grow out your hair. Short hair isn't necessarily unattractive, but guys see it and think "she must like girls".

It takes a short while for hair to grow. Be patient. It's getting there. It's a far cry from what it used to be! Thanks for the compliment, though.
 
i'd like to add here that i find men with make up really off putting. especially if the eyebrows are waxed to give a surprised look. eurgh

also i had a hard time not laughing at work as there was this lady and she had drawn her eyebrows on and one came to exactly the middle of her forehead and then there was a gap and the other one was way to the side. i've only seen two people do this in my whole life and i can only blame it on bad eyesight and a perspective trick but thats some crazy shit. i tried to find an example on the net and couldn't. its rare but when you see it its just ridiculous
 
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