Opioids 1st Time IVing oxynorm powder. Advice sought....

[dhcdavid]

(Mods: this is a duplicate thread of one I posted in EADD because I figured Uk-based Bluelighters'd be more familiar with oxynorm.....but at the same time I'm well aware of the vast breadth of knowledge amongst OD posters, readers and lurkers concerning oxycodone so I hope you'll allow this post to stay up here in Other Drugs.... despite the usual rule of not posting duplicate threads in different threads.)

Hi folks.

Thread title says it all really.
Been prescribed Oxynorm 10mg capsules for BT pain (on top of my background fentanyl patches) for ages and would finally like to have a go at shooting some to see what it's like.
Please don't tell me about how high the oral bio-availability is... as I'm well aware. I just wish to try shooting some oxy and seeing if I can't catch a little rush which because of my large tolerance to oral oxy I almost never get any more.

I've never IVed oxynorm powder (from inside the capsules) but am eager to give it a try......... gonna pick up some works tomorrow.
But could use a little guidance from someone here who has tried it before.
Is it a decent rush? Is it worth it? How well does it dissolve it water?
Should I cook it up like I would with regular gear? Should I add Vit C?

Thanking you in advance if you've taken the time to read this far into my thread and MANY thanks in advance should you take a few minutes out of your day to respond and lend me your 2 cents worth on the topic.

Love and blessings to you all and a very happy new year.

David x

 

[bingey]

Sorry to burst your bubble but IV'ing oxycodone does not produce a rush it's just like methadone. However who needs good reasons for needle fetishism when you just can, you know?

First do some research before just throwing everything into a bluelight post and relying on the nice mods to figure everything about your reckless (and more importantly pointless) behaviour out for you.

1. Micron filter , you are in the Uk so you have no excuse not to get the sterifilt (30 p a piece) from www.exchangesupplies.org . shooting pills without this will mean killing 1 vein a go , not to mention other more serious health risks like potential clotting or endocardicitis.

2. No heat ,no ascorbic.

3. practise with sterile water and preferably have someone nearby when you are going to do it.

 

[tricomb]

A few things,

1) Oxynorm is not "pure" oxycodone, it just doesn't have Acetaminophen/Paracetamol. It still contains all the other inactive ingredients that pose a risk to your health if injected.

2) Do not add Vit C, DO NOT APPLY HEAT. It's not freebase heroin, it is already in hydrochloride salt form and it is very soluble in water as it is without any modification. Applying heat causes the microscopic particles to swell and increase in size so they pose more of a risk for clogging your veins, like the fine particles of your lungs, where it accumulates.

3) There is no rush associated with IV oxycodone. It is NOT worth shooting up. You should take them orally for best results, it has a super high oral bioavailability, it was DESIGNED to kick in ASAP via the oral ROA, I doubt the potential 10% BA gain associated with the IV ROA is worth all of the risks associated with IV pharmaceuticals.

You don't want to be told about this, but it's an important factor in providing harm reduction and answering your question. That type of subconscious justification might work on you, but I see it as a sign that you already know what you're suggesting is not a good idea, and that you're looking for support to back up your desire to shoot oxy. It's basically like saying, tell me what I want to hear. And I'm sorry, that support just isn't there. IV oxycodone is not at all worth your while, if it was, it would be used more commonly in the medical setting.

You might be surprised, but at least around here, many junkies prefer to take their oxycodone orally, and these are the same people who shoot black tar heroin and crushed hydroxyzine tablets without filtration.

 

[Toz]

^this

Though I do believe oxycodone is worth shooting if you have it in the high dose pills (80mg). Oxynorm I wouldn't bother with since they are of such low strength, as said the rush isn't as great as heroin or morphine and filtering ~20x 10mg capsules would not be worth the hassle imho.

 

[tricomb]

By the way, this is probably near the top of the Top 10 Most Discussed Topics in Other Drugs, and if this is already a duplicate thread from EADD, this will probably end up closed, but I'm going to leave it open long enough for the OP to respond as there were some pretty serious HR concerns, especially regarding the heat.

@OP, what type of filter were you going to use? Pharmaceuticals like Oxynorm require 0.2um micron filtration, yet another reason why it's not worth the hassle.

 

[onetwonine]

IV oxycodone is most definitely worth it. By far the best method to get the most out of your oxy.

There isn't a period right after administration that has markedly more intense euphoria, which is what most people mean when the allude to a 'rush'.

However there still is an instant come up, much quicker than other ROAs.

You should be able to get a micron filter at a needle exchange if what I hear about your region is true.

Here's a little secret about where I'm from. Nobody here knows what a micron filters are. And they all cook their shots, heavily. Some have been doing this for over a decade. I'll leave it at that. Give you an idea of the type of risk you are looking at.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Use a micron. Good to see you still around David.

 

[dhcdavid]

Sorry to burst your bubble but IV'ing oxycodone does not produce a rush it's just like methadone. However who needs good reasons for needle fetishism when you just can, you know?

First do some research before just throwing everything into a bluelight post and relying on the nice mods to figure everything about your reckless (and more importantly pointless) behaviour out for you.

1. Micron filter , you are in the Uk so you have no excuse not to get the sterifilt (30 p a piece) from www.exchangesupplies.org . shooting pills without this will mean killing 1 vein a go , not to mention other more serious health risks like potential clotting or endocardicitis..

Bingeboy,

Thanks for taking the time to reply but have I wronged you in a past life? I did do some research and find the accusation that I'm "relying on the nice mods to figure everything about (my) your reckless (and more importantly pointless) behavious out for (me) you" not only extremely insulting but factually incorrect.

If you'd read my thread carefully - rather than concentrating on how to craft a snide and rather rude response - you'd see that I'm not talking about shooting pills........thereby rendering the whole micron filters advice moot.

The oxynorm I'm talking about is powder inside gelatin capsules. I do hope the manner in which you crafted your response to my thread is not typical of how you usually respond to people's questions....... what if I was a noob and desperate to find out some piece of information but had either failed to use the search engine or tried to use the search engine but was unsuccessful in finding the precise answer I required? I really hope you'd be grown up and mature enough not to stoop to the depths you did in your response to my thread and just answer that poor noob's question in a kindly and concise fashion. Because frankly I think you'd just frighten said noobie away to probably badly fuck up whatever they were seeking help to do and that would be a huge tragedy considering how much expert, PLEASANTLY AND LOVINGLY INTENDED advice and knowledge there is amongst the Bluelight community which is what makes this site so uniquely special.

At the end of the day, posting a comment such as First do some research before just throwing everything into a bluelight post and relying on the nice mods to figure everything about your reckless (and more importantly pointless) behaviour out for you. only really benefits you if you stop and think about it - as I'm assuming you needed to vent about something and I just happened to be in your line of fire.....I'm going to go with that rather than drawing the other conclusion that you're an unpleasant member of the Bluelight Crew wiht nothing better to do than lay into an innocent poster seeking help. I posted a politely worded request for help. If that request for some reason angered you or pissed you off why on earth did you respond to it? Erroneously, as it turns out considering you start banging on about micron filters and shooting pills when I highlight the fact that it's oxynorm powder I'm interested in shooting. Hell, the title of the thread is "1st Time IVing oxynorm powder.

Anyway I'm done. And binge boy? Please forgive me for "relying on the nice mods" to figure everything out. Because your response truly was the epitome of niceness.

 

[dhcdavid]

To everyone else who took the time to respond to my thread thank you.

I don't know if it's just me being hyper-sensitive or whether it's down to hanging out in The Dark Side (where everyone is invariably loving and gentle to one another in their responses and replies to threads and questions) too much but I would like to remind some of you that it is possible to impart harm reduction advice without making the original poster feel like a stupid and worthless piece of shit who's wasting everyone's time.

None of you who have berated me for my stupidity and deigned to lecture me on what they think is the contents of my mind (BTW, if I KNEW IVing oxynorm was a total waste of time and/or a major health hazard I wouldn't bother writing a post and bothering to post it...... has THAT thought occurred to you?) have ever made a mistake before?

None of you have EVER posted a question which if you'd taken just a little bit more time and made a slightly more concerted effort in your utilisation of the search engine you could have found the answer yourself?

OD Mod: Please feel free to close this thread. And next time I visit Other Drugs someone remind me to bring my bullet proof vest and crash helmet. Some of y'all really do need to climb down off your high horses and learn to practise a little humility - it'll make life nicer for all those around you (especially in Other Drugs) and, perhaps most importantly, I guarantee it'll make your own life just that little bit more fun and enjoyable.

Love to you all, Dhcdavid x

 

[onetwonine]

IVing oxy is NOT a waste of time. Anybody who said it is, has either never IVed it, or was expecting too much from it.


It is by far the most effectice ROA for the drug. I understand the concept of HR, but outright lying is just fucking stupid.

If you want the most from your oxy. Poke em.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

IV oxy=boring

IVing oxy is NOT a waste of time. Anybody who said it is, has either never IVed it, or was expecting too much from it.


It is by far the most effectice ROA for the drug. I understand the concept of HOUR, but outright lying is just fucking stupid.

If you want the most from your oxy. Poke em.

The majority of people would disagree with those statements... Most people, and I mean basically almost everyone aside from a handful of people, get an incredibly weak rush from IV oxy. In comparison to heroin, oxymorph, or hydromorph, shooting oxy is really tame and boring.

It has an extremely high oral bioavailability.. so to me, that is the most effective ROA. The possible IV complications and just general dangers of shooting pills is not worth the mediocre high, at best, IV oxy gives you.

So, no... if you want the best from oxy don't "poke em"

Also, reccomending anybody to IV anything is pretty irresponsible, regardless of how good you think it feels, man.


Edit: Like others have already said.. if you really feel compelled to IV your oxy... please use a micron filter. Your body will thank you.

 

[bingey]

^ DHCDavid
I apologize for coming across as rude and or snide.

Perhaps I should have clarified that capsules are just as impure as pills , unless your particular capsules contain 10 mg of powder which I doubt. 90% of the pill is filler and that's why you need a micron filter to do this safely.

Also i remember you DHC_David and woulnd't have responded to a greenlighters post in the same way.

 

[onetwonine]

The majority of people would disagree with those statements... Most people, and I mean basically almost everyone aside from a handful of people, get an incredibly weak rush from IV oxy. In comparison to heroin, oxymorph, or hydromorph, shooting oxy is really tame and boring.

It has an extremely high oral bioavailability.. so to me, that is the most effective ROA. The possible IV complications and just general dangers of shooting pills is not worth the mediocre high, at best, IV oxy gives you.

So, no... if you want the best from oxy don't "poke em"

Also, reccomending anybody to IV anything is pretty irresponsible, regardless of how good you think it feels, man.


Edit: Like others have already said.. if you really feel compelled to IV your oxy... please use a micron filter. Your body will thank you.

Please don't take it upon yourself to speak for 'the majority of people', nothing qualifies you for that.

Yeah, I get an unremarkable rush from IV oxy.

That isn't the reason I used to IV oxy.

IV oxy is a mediocre high in comparison to what? Heroin and hydromorph? Where does he state that he is going to be comparing his oxy to any other opioid?

It has a better bioavailability IV than oral. It also has a much faster onset. Not a rush, which i made a point to describe as a different feeling in my first post in this thread, but a much faster onset of effects.

Those are both positives in my book. Enough to justify taking on the negligible (in my opinion) added risk of IVing. OP read up on IV safety, there are plenty of resources out there, almost all of which go well above and beyond what the average IV user does to shoot up.

Anyway,

Read the fucking title of the thread. Don't pretend my post is in anyway a recommendation or unwarranted. This guy wants to shoot his script to get more out of it. How about acknowledging that instead of throwing a bunch of useless horseshit his way?

The oral BA is good? Really? How do you think OP has been taking his oxy so far? Does it sound like he might be less than satisfied, prompting him to look for alternative ROAs?

How the fuck did you become a mod?

Edit: If you want to speak for people at large, how about that oxycodone epidemic? what about all those people shooting oxy? All of them were completely wrong I assume? They just didn't visit bluelieght enough and fully grasp the concept that oral oxy is the way to go.

 

[bingey]

^
Are you trolling?

 

[onetwonine]

What makes you think I'm trolling?

How many people went back from IVing oxy to eating them again?

Are we just going to operate under the logic that nobody knows what they want?

Come the fuck on. IV oxy > oral oxy by orders of magnitude.

No I'm not trolling

 

[bingey]

Please don't take it upon yourself to speak for 'the majority of people', nothing qualifies you for that.


IV oxy is a mediocre high in comparison to what? Heroin and hydromorph? Where does he state that he is going to be comparing his oxy to any other opioid?

.

Op is experienced with heroin , his original post -- > Should I cook it up like I would with regular gear? (gear is UK slang for heroin)

How do you think OP has been taking his oxy so far? Does it sound like he might be less than satisfied, prompting him to look for alternative ROAs?

The Op stated wanting to try this out of curiosity , please re-read his post.

Enough to justify taking on the negligible (in my opinion) added risk of IVing

Don't come on a harm-reduction board to talk about the negligible risks of injecting and expect to be taken seriously.

 

[onetwonine]

Op is experienced with heroin , his original post -- > Should I cook it up like I would with regular gear? (gear is UK slang for heroin)




The Op stated wanting to try this out of curiosity , please re-read his post.

It doesn't say anything about him wanting to compare IV oxy to any other opioid.

What does his experience with Heroin have to do with anything? Heroin was the first opioid I IVed, didn't make IV Oxy any less satisfying, and didn't do anything to persuade me that IV administration wasn't the most effective use for oxycodone available.

I treated it as a separate drug, was it as good as IV heroin? No. Was it better than oral Oxy? Fuck yes.

I just wish to try shooting some oxy and seeing if I can't catch a little rush which because of my large tolerance to oral oxy I almost never get any more.

Sounds like he isn't satisfied with oral Oxy to me. Sounds like he's looking for an alternative ROA. IV Oxy will be a more powerful opioid experience. If that is what he is after, it is worth it. Simple as that.

Please don't tell me about how high the oral bio-availability is... as I'm well aware.

Hmmmmm.. Maybe you should listen to him.

Don't come on a harm-reduction board to talk about the negligible risks of injecting and expect to be taken seriously.

The risks of IVing are negligible if you learn how. Learning how is a very easy process.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Please don't take it upon yourself to speak for 'the majority of people', nothing qualifies you for that.

Yeah, I get an unremarkable rush from IV oxy.

That isn't the reason I used to IV oxy.

IV oxy is a mediocre high in comparison to what? Heroin and hydromorph? Where does he state that he is going to be comparing his oxy to any other opioid?

It has a better bioavailability IV than oral. It also has a much faster onset. Not a rush, which i made a point to describe as a different feeling in my first post in this thread, but a much faster onset of effects.

Those are both positives in my book. Enough to justify taking on the negligible (in my opinion) added risk of IVing. OP read up on IV safety, there are plenty of resources out there, almost all of which go well above and beyond what the average IV user does to shoot up.

Anyway,

Read the fucking title of the thread. Don't pretend my post is in anyway a recommendation or unwarranted. This guy wants to shoot his script to get more out of it. How about acknowledging that instead of throwing a bunch of useless horseshit his way?

The oral BA is good? Really? How do you think OP has been taking his oxy so far? Does it sound like he might be less than satisfied, prompting him to look for alternative ROAs?

How the fuck did you become a mod?

Edit: If you want to speak for people at large, how about that oxycodone epidemic? what about all those people shooting oxy? All of them were completely wrong I assume? They just didn't visit bluelieght enough and fully grasp the concept that oral oxy is the way to go.

What is your problem? I can speak for the people at large because I've been on this site since 2004, read a lot of posts, talked to a lot of people and thats not including everyone I've met in my personal life over many years of using, and the overall conclusion is that the weak feeling from IV oxy doesn't justify the marginal increase in bioavil from IV'ing compared to oral... That was my point.

And this is an HR website... no matter if an OP is posting with the intention of IV'ing.. it still isn't something anybody here should recommend.. especially in the case of IV oxy. The high is not even close to worth the dangers of injecting.

But good on you for freaking out and ranting, making yourself look quite foolish. I wouldn't advise you keep up that kind of posting if you want to continue to enjoy the benefits of this site. That's not what we do here.

 

[onetwonine]

What is your problem? I can speak for the people at large because I've been on this site since 2004, read a lot of posts, talked to a lot of people and thats not including everyone I've met in my personal life over many years of using, and the overall conclusion is that the weak feeling from IV oxy doesn't justify the marginal increase in bioavil from IV'ing compared to oral... That was my point.

And this is an HR website... no matter if an OP is posting with the intention of IV'ing.. it still isn't something anybody here should recommend.. especially in the case of IV oxy. The high is not even close to worth the dangers of injecting.

But good on you for freaking out and ranting, making yourself look quite foolish. I wouldn't advise you keep up that kind of posting if you want to continue to enjoy the benefits of this site. That's not what we do here.

I don't like being called irresponsible. That's my problem.

I dispute your conclusion. Being on this site for a long time and talking to lots of people still doesn't qualify you to speak for the 'majority of people'. The majority of people you have met? Sure. But that is piss poor anecdotal evidence at best.

OP asked about IV oxycodone with the clear intention of trying it. Telling him to just stick to oral use isn't HR, is entirely useless.

Read his original post, and i quote:

Is it worth it?

IV oxycodone is worth it, this is my opinion based on my experiences. That is how I choose to answer his question.

If this can somehow be construed as an irresponsble recommendation, fine kick me off the site.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

I don't like being called irresponsible. That's my problem.

I dispute your conclusion. Being on this site for a long time and talking to lots of people still doesn't qualify you to speak for the 'majority of people'. The majority of people you have met? Sure. But that is piss poor anecdotal evidence at best.

OP asked about IV oxycodone with the clear intention of trying it. Telling him to just stick to oral use isn't HR, is entirely useless.

Read his original post, and i quote:



IV oxycodone is worth it, this is my opinion based on my experiences. That is how I choose to answer his question.

If this can somehow be construed as an irresponsble recommendation, fine kick me off the site.

Okay, in your opinion.. it's worth it... In MINE and a lot of other peoples... fine I'll say it like you want, "the majority of people that I've talked to about it" which is a shit load by the way.... it is not worth it.

I gave my own recommendation and you had a melt down and attacked me..

You don't think encouraging anybody to do IV drugs is irresponsible? Whether it is worth it to you or not? Give the pros and cons.. but don't just flat out say, "IV is the way to go"... I mean, come on. Other people read these posts, hundreds of guests not even registered... they might read your post and now go start IV'ing... That is not the message we want to send on this website..

I know people are going to do it anyway, in that case we try and make them as safe as possible but we never tell people they should IV... nobody should. It is dangerous.. flat out.. no matter how good you may be at it or how safe you try and be.. it kills people everyday.


Edit: Also, maybe check out this thread... You see anybody saying to shoot it?