Stupidly took a ton of Molly while on SSRI (Zoloft), can I take amphetamines?

[DeadheadChemistry]

Ok, so I made a stupid mistake and took what I am told is 3 times the normal dose of Molly. I have done more ecstasy in my life than you would believe, yet I had never tried Molly. So when the opportunity presented itself, and I didn't have to pay for the experience I decided to go for it. Well, that's when I remembered that since I recently began taking 200mg Zoloft a day I won't feel anything from the Molly.

Well, this being my only opportunity in god knows how long to even try it, I decided screw it, I'm a big guy and usually have to take twice the dose my friends take on almost any drug. I don't know how many mg I have taken, I don't really know how to measure that considering it is in powder/crystal form, so I just weighed it. I was told that 0.1g = 1 "dose" whatever that means, so I snorted one dose and swallowed another 0.25g (2 1/2 doses) after having no reaction to the 0.1g I insufflated.

It hasn't quite been an hour since I took the extra 2 1/2 doses, and I still feel absolutely nothing.

So here's what I'm wondering. Let's say I don't wind up showing symptoms of serotonin syndrome/toxicity in the next couple hours... would it be harmful to do a recreational amount of Ritalin (Methylphenidate) to try and salvage the night somewhat? (And to help keep me awake for my friend's party).

I have plenty of benzos if I start to feel onset of serotonin syndrome or anything like that. Also have plenty of Methadone if I need to pass out after all is said and done. I know all the symptoms to look for, and considering it has been this long and I still feel 100% stone cold sober I doubt it's likely to happen.

So basically my question is will Ritalin have any negative interactions with the MDMA if I wait 2-4 hours after ingestion of the Molly?

Also, I realize the amount of Molly I did was extremely dangerous in general, not to mention the SSRI interference. I'm well aware that I made a stupid mistake, it was a spur of the moment thing where I was just soo angry that if I really wanted to roll I'd have to wait at the very least two weeks AND stop my anti-depressant and by then it's highly unlikely I'll be able to get more. I'm already beating myself up for that choice as it is, no need to fuel the fire.

Any answers about the Ritalin would be appreciated however!

- DeadheadChemistry

 

[rickolasnice]

You won't get SS from MDMA and SSRIs.. the SSRI's will block a lot of MDMA's effect..

Saying that.. You should feel SOMETHING from 350mgs?

Not HR but no.. I don't see any immediate dangers of you adding a bit of methylphenidate.. just be prepared to feel like shit tomorrow.

 

[DeadheadChemistry]

Thanks for answering the question! That's the first I've seen in a situation like this in a long time. I'm glad there are still people here that don't feel the need to treat everyone like a clueless child. Cheers, and thank you again.

Quick rant on harm reduction:

I was worried there may be some interaction between MDMA and Methylphenidate, that's all. So to all those who would post something like "Taking any other medications while on such a high dose of MDMA is not safe," please recognize that even though rickolasnice gave me a real answer I am not going to go down half a bottle of Ritalin because some guy on the internet said I should be alright. It's sad how many people on bluelight these days are neglected any answer at all and forced to make a decision blindly because so many here feel that if there's even a remote possibility of harm, the automatic answer is "Don't do it, it could be dangerous." All drugs can be dangerous, at some point you have to trust that the person asking for help has common sense and is responsible for his/her own well-being. The best thing you can do is provide them with the most -real- information you have, give your opinion on the subject, and leave it in their hands to make a decision whether or not to do/attempt something harmful after being provided with all the facts.

Sorry for that rant, I should be happy this didn't happen for once... I just want people to realize that simply providing someone with information or an opinion that has the potential to be used in a harmful way should not be censored. Many people are going to act on their question one way or another. So the best thing we can do is give them ALL available information, not some of it, and let them make an informed decision. It's more dangerous to leave people in the dark than to give them possibly harmful information. At least they will know that decision may result in harm instead of not knowing and possibly overdoing it. Next time you come across a situation where the truth may be relative, complicated, or has potential to cause harm think about whether or not shielding an individual from this information is really in the best interest of harm reduction. I think you'll find that more often than not, it is more harmful to censor or water down the truth and expect the individual to be satisfied than it is to simply give all available information, and let them make an informed decision.

/rant

 

[rickolasnice]

^ To be fair it's probably best to give advice on the assumption the person is completely naive / ignorant.. because, well, you never know.. they might be completely ignorant and take what I said as "Yeah it's fine have as much as you want!" .. (Please don't ground me, BL)

But you're welcome

But be aware that methylphenidate may inhibit the metabolism of zoloft.. Unless you are planning on daily dosing the methylphenidate you should be fine.

Sorry for that rant, I should be happy this didn't happen for once... I just want people to realize that simply providing someone with information or an opinion that has the potential to be used in a harmful way should not be censored. Many people are going to act on their question one way or another. So the best thing we can do is give them ALL available information, not some of it, and let them make an informed decision. It's more dangerous to leave people in the dark than to give them possibly harmful information. At least they will know that decision may result in harm instead of not knowing and possibly overdoing it. Next time you come across a situation where the truth may be relative, complicated, or has potential to cause harm think about whether or not shielding an individual from this information is really in the best interest of harm reduction. I think you'll find that more often than not, it is more harmful to censor or water down the truth and expect the individual to be satisfied than it is to simply give all available information, and let them make an informed decision.

/rant

Kinda like telling someone to JUST SAY NO! to IV heroin.. instead of letting them know how to do it safely? True say..

 

[DeadheadChemistry]

Haha, yeah I was not entirely unbiased in that rant. Unfortunately there are complete morons out there who could take said information in the wrong context. I would still say that as long as the risks are strongly emphasized and explained in detail (even if you have to write your reply as if you're speaking to a young child just to be sure it can't be misinterpreted) that everyone, regardless of their intelligence deserves to be informed fully. In cases like that, it's really just a matter of making sure the individual understands the terminology you are using. I've even gone as far as to request that the individual tell me in their own words what I'm trying to say if I'm getting the feeling they are completely clueless. It's a little insulting, I know, but sometimes it's just one of those better safe than sorry things.

Sorry about putting your SN out there like that and putting you on a pedestal as the champion of making harm reduction less obstructive and more informative, haha. So please don't blame him! The night is over, I took some Ritalin and am still awake... which also makes me ALIVE! So I guess I can be exhibit #1 showing that while most people would have not answered the Ritalin question, considering it not in the interest of harm reduction, I was actually given an intelligent answer and alas I still live and breathe!

Anyways, this thread has become totally de-railed.

Final Notes: So yes, I snorted 0.1g of Molly and immediately took another 0.25g by mouth. I stayed up all night and had absolutely no effects, positive or negative. I take 200mg of Zoloft daily, so for anyone wondering if you can "break the barrier" so to speak and still get high on MDMA while taking an SSRI if you consume a large dose, the answer is no. Don't waste the money. Also, I know that it is not fake because I watched my friend roll all night off of LESS than 0.1g. So jealous...

 

[Steven325]

In case you are wondering if you take more it'll work - you will never get there.

It's weird you don't feel anything at all though, 200mg gets swim mildly mellow and he feels good, but there's always the feeling you need to "take a little more" to push it through - but then you take more and it just doesn't push.

 

[mattnotrik]

Ok, so I made a stupid mistake and took what I am told is 3 times the normal dose of Molly. I have done more ecstasy in my life than you would believe, yet I had never tried Molly.

Ecstacy = MDMA, and in the USA so im told Molly is just a slang term for MDMA, so they are both the same chemical? Just ones in a pill and ones a powder/rock form. Or are you referring to a completely different chemical?

 

[alasdairm]

It hasn't quite been an hour since I took the extra 2 1/2 doses, and I still feel absolutely nothing.

after the response to the thead you deleted yesterday, are you at all surprised that you feel nothing? let me post it again for you here:

read this: Six Simple Rules... To MDMA

ssri's work on your brain chemistry in such a way that they explicitly prevent mdma doing what it needs to do. you can't solve this problem by just taking more and more mdma. if you are determined to do this, you'll simply be wasting mdma for no result.

as with most things in life, if you choose not to learn this lesson the easy way, you'll learn it the hard way which is, for many people, the only way they can learn...

alasdair

(my emphasis)



alasdair

 

[DeadheadChemistry]

Just an update on how that situation turned out... after realizing it was a pointless endeavor trying to get an MDMA high while on an SSRI I refrained from wasting the rest of what was left. It's agonizing to think I may never truly get a real MDMA high again though, and from some of what I've read it's possible I may not even if I stopped taking the SSRI. Some of my greatest experiences with drugs have been on ecstasy. I typically do a ton of research on any drug before taking it, so I was extremely upset/disappointed in my lack of "due diligence" before taking the Molly (which to whoever it was that asked above is the exact same thing as ecstasy, or at least what ecstasy is SUPPOSED to be - MDMA. The only difference is that Molly usually comes in a powder or crystalline form and arguably is considered more likely to be pure than random pills on the street being sold as ecstasy, which often contain no MDMA at all).

Anyways, just thought I'd go on the record to anyone who (like myself) was somewhat skeptical about the utter uselessness of MDMA while on a SSRI, thinking that taking enough MDMA would somehow bypass the effect of an SSRI, it simply doesn't happen. It's just a waste of time and money.

 

[alasdairm]

^ q.e.d.

The only difference is that Molly usually comes in a powder or crystalline form and arguably is considered more likely to be pure than random pills on the street being sold as ecstasy, which often contain no MDMA at all).

arguably? i'd argue that the complete opposite is true. it's significantly easier to fake or cut a powder than a pill...

alasdair

 

[MollyFein74]

Just a thought, you said youve gone through a ton of MDMA and you research the hell out of every drug... your on an SSRI now.

You are also trying to roll.

Not to be rude, but two and two together dude?

 

[jeah]

this is exactly why I would never take an ssri. i couldn't take mushrooms (my religious link) or ecstacy. no. fuckin. way. sorry dude.

 

[Achten]

I have plenty of benzos if I start to feel onset of serotonin syndrome or anything like that. Also have plenty of Methadone if I need to pass out after all is said and done. I know all the symptoms to look for, and considering it has been this long and I still feel 100% stone cold sober I doubt it's likely to happen.

Is this true ? Can Benzo's "stop" serotonine syndrome if it occurs ?

 

[jeah]

^^^ no, that is ridiculous.