MDPV Megathread 8: The Girl Who Chased The Dragon's Tail

[Anatrica]

i don't even have an oven now so can't make PV or food

 

[Shambles]

If you have a kettle, hob, microwave or coupla sticks to rub together you can make instant soup. Or Pot Noodle (wouldn't recommend it though). Or sundry other fiend-suited comestibles. Or, meal-replacement shakes (Slimfast or whatever regional variant) cos they don't even need heating - just swig from the bottle. Options are available. Cold tomato soup out the can - you never seen Trainspotting? 8)

 

[QuasiStoned]

Guys, in the name of harm reduction I would advise everyone to go check out the mdpv wikipedia page and take a look under the "chemistry" section. If someone can repost that text here for discussion I think it might be a good idea. I'm on a dumbphone (think opposite of smartphone) and I can't copy or paste or even link but this seems kind of important.

Basically, it appears that the most common and likely impurity of mdpv synthesis is a mutagen. Seeing as to how wildy impure mdpv is I think this is cause for at least some concern. I'd appreciate it if anyone has a moment and is on a computer if they could copy and paste that text here from under the chemistry section of the mdpv wikipedia page.

 

[Allein]

Anatrica far be it for me to castigate someone for their eating habits but I'm pretty sure your doc has provided some fancy beverages that require no preparation at all let alone cooking facilities. That won't help with the PV EvapoMunger but it might keep you going until the correct laboratory conditions become available:D

 

[MDPV_Psychosis]

Giving the oven tek another go. Hopefully with even better results.

First time I used a small amount of pv (about 100mg) and dissolved it in a really small amount of water. The evaporation process happened very quickly (20 minutes to bone dry)due to the small volume of water used. Results were impressive but not incredibly so (definitely worth the effort though).

This time around I dissolved 500mg in 1/4 cup of water. Same temperature as last time (dial set to 200 but my infrared thermal scanner says ambient temp is actually around 160ish). Evaporation is taking considerably longer as expected. My hope is that a longer baking/evaporation period will result in more/fuller conversion. Last time around I wonder if the evaporation happened so fast that the process didn't fully occur.

One thing is for certain. This time around my oven is expelling much much more odor then last time. Part of that is obviously due to a larger starting amount but I bet it stinks more this time because more of this degradation/conversion is occurring. 5 times more starting material but easily 20 times more smell.

Can't wait.

 

[Allein]

Copied from WikiPedia so clearly the gospel....you honour

Chemistry

MDPV can be prepared by modifying the alkylation-oxidation-bromination-amination route to cathinone analogs. This involves a Grignard alkylation of piperonal, oxidation of the resulting secondary alcohol back into a ketone, alpha halogenation of the aromatic ketone with bromine, and subsequent amination with pyrrolidine.[16]

The α,α-dibrominated or α-mono-brominated intermediate from the 3rd step bromination, and left behind by an expedited or incomplete final workup is the most likely contaminant/impurity to be seen in the final product using this method.[6] Bromination is likely to in excess, since excess pyrollidine amine will form a black precipitate that is difficult to separate.

Such brominated halo are of particular concern to eukaryote macro-biological organisms, and special consideration must be made when preparing MDPV for purposes of long-term biological testing on lab animals, especially in mammals, and especially where the possibility exists for diversion and subsequent ingestion by humans for recreational purposes. Preparation for biological purposes and testing must ensure a complete and through workup, including several washes with saturated NaHCO3[6] solution after washing with water to remove the brominated intermediates before final salting of the freebase for recrystallization. Aside from the bromine ion being highly electronegative and reactive, the alkyl-bromine compounds often being alkylating agents, and brominated aromatic derivatives being implicated as hormone disruptors, there also exists the mechanism for bromine substituting for the methyl group in the nitrogenous base 5-methyluracil of DNA, creating the base-analog 5-bromouracil, which can be incorporated into DNA and induce a point mutation via base substitu

 

[Shambles]

Sounds vaguely ominous... alternatively we're gonna be X-Men.

Dunno 'bout the mutant stuff... short of a DNA test or fathering an amoeboid zombiechild or summat I'll probably only find out if I sprout metallic claws or burst in flames and start flying around and about the place shooting lasers from my eyes. Or die horrible of some new-to-science form of cancer maybe

The "electronegative" stuff on the wiki page interested me though. Have always noticed a very distinctive - and sometimes rather unpleasant - "electric" feeling when on a hefty run. Feels like I'm living in a Faraday Cage with a leaky roof.

 

[Albion]

You guys and your Wikipedia 8)

 

[QuasiStoned]

Thanks guys! So either we're gonna be x-men or cancer patients. I'm hoping like fuck it's not the latter but it doesn't really sound good to me...
*Edit*
Considering the fact that most mdpv is made in shitty Chinese labs I highly highly doubt they take much precaution when synthing this stuff. They don't care at all about the impurities only the money! Best of all, we're SMOKING this stuff! Impurities and all. Oh dear god I'm thinking I shortened my lifespan with this stuff, I really do.

 

[QuasiStoned]

Just read a study that studied relationship between electronegativity and genotoxicity. It was found that, as expected, chemicals capable of inducing mutations were significantly more electronegative than molecules lacking these attributes.

I remember one time on an apvp run I was recording a video of vaping apvp on foil. Later when I set my phone down I noticed that no matter which way I set it down, it would spin and point in the same direction. The back of my phone comes to a point so you could spin it when you have it laying down. And no matter which way I pointed it some force kept on returning it to the same direction. I thought I was crazy but maybe it has something to do with electronegative?

Another thing that I remember, particularly with mdpv, was the sensation that my hair was standing on end deep in binge. One time I took a rip of some dark red amber oil stuff that probably shouldn't have been smoked (it was nearly black) and I was in a bathroom in a front of a mirror and I got this creepy crawly feeling all over. And I literally watched my hair start to stand on end a little bit.

Somethin weird going on there... I like the analogy shambles, like living in a faraday cage with a leaky roof indeed.

 

[Shambles]

Thanks guys! So either we're gonna be x-men or cancer patients. I'm hoping like fuck it's not the latter but it doesn't really sound good to me...
*Edit*
Considering the fact that most mdpv is made in shitty Chinese labs I highly highly doubt they take much precaution when synthing this stuff. They don't care at all about the impurities only the money! Best of all, we're SMOKING this stuff! Impurities and all. Oh dear god I'm thinking I shortened my lifespan with this stuff, I really do.

Quite.

This is kinda what ab/using RCs involves though sadly. We are the subject of our very own chemical research project and, as with all research projects, there's always gonna be the possibility of both known and unknown unknowns cropping up. One can but hope this particular "unknown" graduates to become a known known known to be perfectly safe in every way. It could happen

But short of that ya pays yer money, takes your choice (and perhaps the integrity of your very DNA). I also smoke tobacco which is a known known mutagen afaik so even with all the sensible advice and extensive research in the world we don't always make the obviously "sensible" choice do we? Perhaps this new possible route to early and unpleasant death will work as a spur to encourage me to not give up on these 'ere nicotine patches too quickly. Perhaps. Balance and all that good shit.

But on the silver-lining side, aside from this thrilling new possibilty of becoming superheroes and growing sparkly Spandex underpants over an equally fetching sparkly Spandex tights-cum-leotard combo, this electronegativity bizniz could save a fortune on leccy bills as I do believe that makes us technically rechargable.

 

[acieed_ed]

MDPV is the ONLY drug that i have ever flushed down the toilet.
It was either flush the 2 grams or i was going to stab the first that looked at me the wrong way..paranoia will destroy ya...
Mdpv=massive fail
Like someone else said use ur oven for cooking food mb weighing 12kg is ridicolous for a griwn up.
Step two buy some proper drugs
you know ones that dont have enuff negative side effects to fill a telefone directory

be safe kids. but jesus use your brains

 

[QuasiStoned]

Shambles you're a cool dude ya know that? At least so far as one can be certain about something such as that over the internet. But I quite enjoy reading your posts, often makes me a crack a smile.

Everything you say is true, this is ultimately the risk we take and I always knew the possible consequences. Turned a few friends onto mdpv and remember explaining to them that we're rolling the dice, we don't know about the long term consequences. I'm a smoker too, I'm 24 years old and I been at it since I was 17 knowing full well it's a mutagen so yeah even with all the knowledge at hand we often don't make the best decisions.

The sad truth is I don't really think we'll ever know much about mdpv. It came and it went, before too too long I think it will be a thing of the past. I don't think that there will ever be anyone much interested in funding research on what will eventually be a scheduled compound worldwide. I just can't see the interest.

Mdpv isn't my only concern, I've smoked my way through gram after gram of am-2201, jwh-018, jwh-071, jwh-122, jwh-210, ur-144, and 5f-ur-144 knowing fuck all about them except that people weren't dropping dead left and right from them. And I STILL roll the dice, I have a packed order of mam-2201 and apvp waiting to be shipped out Monday. If it weren't already packed I would have changed my mind on the apvp.

My biggest concern regarding mdpv is undoubtedly for my kidneys. I've been thinking about getting them tested because I've had awful renal problems during my mdpv binges. I'm not certain but I think they're not quite as good as they once were. And renal problems will undoubtedly only get worse.

 

[MDPV_Psychosis]

Shambles you're a cool dude ya know that? At least so far as one can be certain about something such as that over the internet. But I quite enjoy reading your posts, often makes me a crack a smile.

Everything you say is true, this is ultimately the risk we take and I always knew the possible consequences. Turned a few friends onto mdpv and remember explaining to them that we're rolling the dice, we don't know about the long term consequences. I'm a smoker too, I'm 24 years old and I been at it since I was 17 knowing full well it's a mutagen so yeah even with all the knowledge at hand we often don't make the best decisions.

The sad truth is I don't really think we'll ever know much about mdpv. It came and it went, before too too long I think it will be a thing of the past. I don't think that there will ever be anyone much interested in funding research on what will eventually be a scheduled compound worldwide. I just can't see the interest.

Mdpv isn't my only concern, I've smoked my way through gram after gram of am-2201, jwh-018, jwh-071, jwh-122, jwh-210, ur-144, and 5f-ur-144 knowing fuck all about them except that people weren't dropping dead left and right from them. And I STILL roll the dice, I have a packed order of mam-2201 and apvp waiting to be shipped out Monday. If it weren't already packed I would have changed my mind on the apvp.

My biggest concern regarding mdpv is undoubtedly for my kidneys. I've been thinking about getting them tested because I've had awful renal problems during my mdpv binges. I'm not certain but I think they're not quite as good as they once were. And renal problems will undoubtedly only get worse.

Would you be willing to elaborate about the renal problems you experienced during your mdpv binges? Signs, symptoms, etc? I've noticed some signs of renal problems in myself lately (i have been heavily using mdpv now for an embarrassingly long time). I don't know if I'm actually experiencing real signs of possible problems or if its all just in my head (very possible with mdpv due to changes in sensory perception coupled with anxiety/paranoia).

 

[Cornishman]

You guys and your Wikipedia 8)

I know, right?

I get my information from youtube comments because the people there actually know what they're talking about.

 

[QuasiStoned]

What's scaring the living shit out of me right now is bubbles in my urine. Even when I pee in a cup there are bubbles on top and it could be an indicator of proteinuria, protein in the urine. Protein is not supposed to pass through the filtration system in your kidneys and if it is I could have kidney failure.

On mdpv I always had a full feeling in my kidneys which would progress to outright renal pain. My urine was often very dark orange and once or twice was brown. A few times I was in agony and felt like I had to piss so bad but nothing would come out. When I finally was able to that was when it was brown.

 

[MDPV_Psychosis]

What's scaring the living shit out of me right now is bubbles in my urine. Even when I pee in a cup there are bubbles on top and it could be an indicator of proteinuria, protein in the urine. Protein is not supposed to pass through the filtration system in your kidneys and if it is I could have kidney failure.

On mdpv I always had a full feeling in my kidneys which would progress to outright renal pain. My urine was often very dark orange and once or twice was brown. A few times I was in agony and felt like I had to piss so bad but nothing would come out. When I finally was able to that was when it was brown.

Like I've stated before I am a habitual long term daily user of this stuff and I also experience urine that forms foamy bubbles on top just after peeing in the toilet. This only happens with the first pee of the day. I've experienced this occasionally throughout my life and never gave it much thought. Nowadays I notice it occurring almost everyday but only with my first piss of the day and it could quite possibly be due to my use.

I almost never have extremely dark urine but I also drink a lot of water. I've always been very self aware of the effect that fluctuations in water intake have on my body and mind. Its fairly well known that one must increase their intake of water while consuming stimulants and this obviously holds true for mdpv as well. If anything, it may hold true moreso for mdpv than other stimulants.

There have been times when I'm on the brink of being extremely thirsty from dehydration while using. I would start to drink lots of water to replenish my levels and can almost instantly feel myself getting better as the water absorbs through my stomach lining and into my blood stream. During this phase of dehydration I've also taken huge hits of mdpv from foil. I can almost instantly feel my body suddenly demanding more water as I can feel the lethargy, headache, muscle and back aches etc set in. Drinking water quickly begins to alleviate these symptoms but, as is well known, it takes drinking a lot of water over a long period of time to fully/properly hydrate oneself.

My point of all that for anyone who cares to listen to me: drinking extra water is essential when on an mdpv binge. Obvious, I know, but it can make the difference of night and day in terms of how you will feel depending on how well hydrated you keep yourself. I can never seem to reach an equilibrium while using as it always seems like I'm playing catch up on my hydration regardless of how much and how often I drink water.

I also experience other troubling signs of possible renal failure now that I've been using daily for *cough* *cough*. PM me if you would be interested in discussing this further QuasiStoned as I consider some of what I'd like to say too personal/personally identifying to say publicly.

 

[Cornishman]

drink more water peeps

 

[MDPV_Psychosis]

I usually do. Day in and out. But lately it just ain't worth it anymore.

Too bad mdpv can't alleviate the soul crushing depression, the intense guilt/remorse, the constant suicidal thoughts, the insidious loneliness, the painful emotions and the overwhelming insecurities that are buried deeply within my soul that have been overwhelming me day in and day out. A man can only contain some much intense misery internally for so long before... before... I dunno before what... but before something.

Toss all that in with a constant hint of paranoia/weirdness coupled with strange worsening health problems likely from long term exotic drug abuse and suddenly you have a man who is utterly completely fucking lost and hopeless.

So screw drinking water I say. Its important for the rest of you but today I can't be bothered to even pretend to want to take care of myself.

OK I'm having one of "those" days apparently. I'll take myself over to the dark side forum and not pollute this thread with my depressive diarrhea. Sorry.

Edited to add: MDPV is evil. If I can help prevent just one person like myself from ever going through the hell of addiction I've experienced with mdpv over the years then I consider my efforts worthwhile. Its just not worth it. Not by a long shot.

 

[Morkin]

Looks like I can get some MDPV. I prefer oral gel-caps as ROA. Can anyone recommend dosage, or is smoking the only way?