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Entities in the temporal lobe? Anyone?

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Has anyone experienced, while tripping on their chemicals, being observed or being aware of other entities that are located in the left or right temperal lobe? I suspect that this is a common occurrence for psychonauts, but the problem I have is that my mind's eye can't observe them because it is directed towards towards my forehead by default it seems. Very frustrating, to not know what is around me, when entities observe me but I am incapable of observing them.
 
I hope you were still tripping when you wrote this, otherwise I'd advise you to see a psychiatrist.
 
No, I've seen entities very vividly in my third eye....I believe it's a real phenomenon....I've seen bright flashes of bluish light illuminate a dark room, I've seen black spirits and felt extreme negative energy....but getting into this stuff will make you crazy if you don't know how to manage it...

Read about Kundalini and Siddhis, Hinduism....

You're not crazy, what you're talking about is the basis of several thousands of year old religions!

A lot of people never have a "third eye" awakening in their lives because they don't do anything to raise kundalini...Psychedelics can raise kundalini, but it can be dangerous and overwhelming if you don't have the clarity and understanding to deal with it!

Have you read the Bhagavad Gita or any other of the Hindu texts? Bhagavad Gita is a great place to start....

Also, read about "Siddhis", they're supernatural powers that come about as a result of certain practices, meditiation, chanting, fasting...etc..

Some of them include: Clairvoyance, the ability to perceive spirits/entities, the ability to heal oneself, precognitive dreams...

This stuff IS real, people who have never bothered trying it label it as crazy, but again, these things are an integral part of many of the worlds religions...
 
Everything you experience to be outside your body (i.e. the rest of the world) is generated by your own consciousness through your brain. Do you consider other people that you see to be inside your own head?

Tickling of the left temporal lobe is indeed believed and proven to be involved with things like entity contact, feelings of presence and divinity and other special states of consciousness. Everything generated by stimulation of the temporal lobe is illusory in the sense that the things you experience do not correspond with sensory stimuli that generated them. Thus, location of those illusions is arbitrary. I don't believe that they would have anything to do with Euclidean space or that there would be any problem with spatial orientation of the third eye as much as the architecture of the brain and the coherence of its circuits.
 
I see people in my mind, even have conversations with them.. Then I wake up.

And what Solipsis said. They are creations of your mind.
 
BlueHues said:
No, I've seen entities very vividly in my third eye....I believe it's a real phenomenon....I've seen bright flashes of bluish light illuminate a dark room, I've seen black spirits and felt extreme negative energy....but getting into this stuff will make you crazy if you don't know how to manage it...

Read about Kundalini and Siddhis, Hinduism....

You're not crazy, what you're talking about is the basis of several thousands of year old religions!

A lot of people never have a "third eye" awakening in their lives because they don't do anything to raise kundalini...Psychedelics can raise kundalini, but it can be dangerous and overwhelming if you don't have the clarity and understanding to deal with it!

Have you read the Bhagavad Gita or any other of the Hindu texts? Bhagavad Gita is a great place to start....

Also, read about "Siddhis", they're supernatural powers that come about as a result of certain practices, meditiation, chanting, fasting...etc..

Some of them include: Clairvoyance, the ability to perceive spirits/entities, the ability to heal oneself, precognitive dreams...

This stuff IS real, people who have never bothered trying it label it as crazy, but again, these things are an integral part of many of the worlds religions...
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People also never experience a third eye awaking these days because flouride calcifies your pineal gland, among other harmful effects.
 
Solipsis said:
Everything you experience to be outside your body (i.e. the rest of the world) is generated by your own consciousness through your brain. Do you consider other people that you see to be inside your own head?

Tickling of the left temporal lobe is indeed believed and proven to be involved with things like entity contact, feelings of presence and divinity and other special states of consciousness. Everything generated by stimulation of the temporal lobe is illusory in the sense that the things you experience do not correspond with sensory stimuli that generated them. Thus, location of those illusions is arbitrary. I don't believe that they would have anything to do with Euclidean space or that there would be any problem with spatial orientation of the third eye as much as the architecture of the brain and the coherence of its circuits.
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Other people that I see 'in the world' are indeed inside my head.
These entities that I see 'in my head' are indeed inside my head.
Thoughts that I observe 'in my head' are again in my head.

Which are real and which are not? I don't understand!

Edit: I'm going to try and play devil's advocate by claiming that these entities exist as much as anything else can be said to exist. Right now I'm really confused as to what is necessary for the criteria of 'existence' requires so I'll be back later.

It's not possible to assign 'real' to anything that two or more people agree upon. Take a mirage for example.
 
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Nothing funnier than a solipsists convention with everyone arguing as to which one of them is really there.
 
There's shit that happens that can't be measured or explained away and I think the smugness is immature and ignorant....We didn't know radio waves existed 1000 years ago, and yet it does exist, I think....

Spirits and spiritual energy are the same, and anyone who dismisses the existence of these things offhand, is ignorant and narrow minded IMO...
 
pontifex01 said:
Lol, ironically a solipsist in our midst. Well put it this way: If an entity in your left temporal lobe threw a glass ashtray at your face, would it hurt and leave scars for the world to see, the same as if I threw a glass ashtray at your face? You could continue the argument by stating that "the world" and "I" are both also inside your head, so in a way yes, and then we'd have to get into metaphysics, but it's a tiresome, pointless argument.
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It would leave me with psychic scars which would influence my observable behaviour. Just as a physical ashtray that missed would influence my observable behaviour, as in avoiding the person who threw the ashtray.

I'll leave this for now until I can come up with a better argument. I must say I'm surprised that few other people experience this, especially so given the number of people who have smoked DMT on this forum which is notorious for initiating 'contact' with various 'entities' and such. Take the machine elves, I've seen just one while tripping on Ibogaine which was top centre of my vision looking down as if observing me, only for a second before disappearing. Maybe vaping some more DMT and demanding answers would get me somewhere.

How does anyone decide what is real anyway? Advaita Vedanta (IIRC) supposes that what is most real is that which doesn't change, and beneath that would perhaps be that which is directly observable by the senses. And further still nonsense like 2+2=5

So from most real to least real it would go like this:
Conciousness: Never an object, can't be influenced by objects, never changes.
Mathematics?: 2+2=4 always but is one below conciousness since without conciousness there is no mathematics.
Physical objects: Always changing and relying on conciousness for their existence. *lots of differences of opinion here obviously.
Illusions: Appear to be what they are not.
Nonsense: 2+2=5

Ok so I added my own interpretation somewhat.
 
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RhythmSpring said:
Are we confusing the "temperol" lobe with the frontal lobe?
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I don't think so, why do you ask? It seems difficult to find anything about neurological experiments resulting in entity contact specifically. But check symptoms of frontal lobe epilepsy and temporal lobe epilepsy, then also run a search on "god helmet"... compare those symptoms. Visual entity contact is apparently not an effect of that god helmet, but my opinion is that the types of states are closely connected. I really think the temporal lobe would be a good spot to start 'digging'.

The prefrontal cortex does seem to be involved with states of meditation and trance, and it is part of the frontal lobe. I think we would be mistaken to try and localize something like entity contact to only one brain region, although with zapping experiments such as with the 'god helmet' the stimulation is localized.
Who knows if more than 1 brain region needs to be deregulated at the same time to induce entity contact. Maybe crude deregulation is not enough, if entity contact comes from more sophisticated phenomena like complex interactions throughout the cortex we are hopeless to try and simplify it the way we are doing now. For example: perhaps with something like the god helmet a presence can only be felt, and information / brain activity needs to spill into more visual circuitry before visual connection with the 'synthesized' presence can be made.
 
Don't, you wouldn't be the first to use a device on the brain to attempt to produce an altered state of consciousness and consequently lose it, or damage yourself. Unless you have degrees that qualify you in that field of research, although it seems unlikely you wouldn't have heard about that god helmet experiment.

If it's anything like the average new year's resolution, there is probably nothing to worry about anyways though. ;)

Dawkins using something like that, ha I love the premise already... But it would just be him just having that extra tool to rationalize everything. Don't get me wrong, I am generally on board with the guy... it would just be boring. Instead for example a DMT breakthrough would be the epitome of something to bring a person to doubt, but still I would generalize that neither religious people nor atheists ever seize to find a way to justify and explain away whatever you throw at them. What makes them fundamentally opposed ironically also unites them. What 'that' might be is self-referential logic or something like that.
 
pontifex01 said:
Oh don't worry lol I was just joking, or rather indulging in wishful thinking, I'm not about to microwave my brain. I'm interested by your saying I "wouldn't be the first", have you got any tragic stories you could link me to? I fancy some esoteric reading right now...
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Unfortunately not, I have had contact with someone through instant messaging, years ago, and he told me that some kind of sound&light / dream machine pushed him over the edge somehow. I cannot verify credibility. Although I would argue that if such a thing blows your fuses, it seems that you were moments away from snapping anyway.
Maybe that device was different from what we were talking about though, and regarding currents it also depends on your technique. Short and super weak currents would be unlikely to cause as much damage as serious electricity.

That's exactly the point I was making when BluesHues categorically stated that "spirits and spiritual energy are the same". If you have a set opinion on the nature of what's real and what isn't you're "guilty" of exactly the same fault as your opposing party.

Ironically the day before I came across this thread I had my first "entity contact" with ketamine. I know it's purportedly common to feel that aliens are observing you/are present while tripping on K, but I'd never had it happen before. It was very interesting. Never tried DMT, but after having dipped a toe in psychedelics with 2C-C for the first time in 5 years (excluding ketamine) I'm slowly building up the courage to explore my mind again.
Is it the kind of substance that can bring about radical paradigm shifts? Tripping extensively on mushrooms gave me so much insight into the potential betterment of humanity and one's personality that they paradoxically led to a protracted "intellectual" depression given just how greedy, disgusting and base humanity at large is, because I understood through mushrooms that we could be so much better. I don't want to think too hard about those kinds of things again, it just leads me to dark places. Care to shed some personal insights?
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Well I prefer that the DMT thread is used for entirely tangent discussion like that, but I will say that yes DMT has strong transformative potential. Since DMT use I am no longer afraid of death, although sometimes I wonder if I will still feel like that when the end nears. Or when life becomes less stressful for me.
I have reasons to take it seriously though. And it did not happen because I thought I was dead, or because I thought I experienced an afterlife. Nevertheless it happened, I just appreciated death as part of the life cycle and over time I have become convinced that life is not short at all. Also I feel like the desperate way people are sometimes kept alive is regrettable. I feel grateful for what I get, not greedy about all else that might be gained. That is not freedom. Que sera sera.

Back to entities and neurology then? You can always quote me moving to the DMT thread. :)
 
I don't necessarily think spirits/entities or whatever you wanna call them are the same as "spiritual energy"....I do believe that they're are beings of extremely high intelligence that can't normally be seen with the naked eye.....they seem to made of a kind of "light" that you can only see in "higher states of consciousness"....

I'm not gonna go on and on about this, as it's impossible to really discuss, and a lot of "visions" and entity contact do probably originate from your own subconscious, like dreams, a lot of the time.....I still believe non-physical entities DO exist though.....

I guess "auras" would be "spiritual energy".....

Of course the stuff you see in your "minds eye" is different, although there are points where your conscious and subconscious merge and it seems like you're experiencing two realities at the same time, you visualize the color green and you see green haze everywhere...Of course, you could just chalk the whole thing up to hallucinations, so who knows...

I've never had entity contact from psychedelics, I've had it from meditation and fasting....I've never done DMT or anything....I've mostly just used the "classics", a lot of the classics! mostly LSD and mushrooms....
 
I hear voices in my head, and sometimes they come from one of the temporal lobes, but usually they come from the parietal or occipital lobes.

Could be relevant?
 
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