Do your think this board is perceived as glamorizing the Abuse of psychedelics?

[thoughtsUnThought]

After reading oldflattop's thread i am interested in hearing what you all have to say about this idea.

I love this board and derive much understanding from these discussions. But i have noticed a trend of some users (in my view) coming off as glamorizing their own abusive habits. I use the word abuse to describe the whole dicksizing attitude of competition, as well as some users describing their excessive use of some compounds (cough mxe, lol, but not limited to this) in a light which makes it come off as casual/not risky.

While i am not here to judge, i am just curious what everyone else thinks this. While we are good about pointing out extremely abusive input (dangerously high dosages, extreme repetition of compounds which aren't the safest etc), i cant help but notice that some of these threads could really give a noob the wrong impression. Particularly, as someone in oldflattop's thread mentioned, people who use DMT quite casually and without moderation, and especially the common very regular use of MXE.

While describing the negative effects (or the negative weird effects being determinable by reading some strange posts from abusers) of excessive use surely promotes harm reduction, i do notice a (could just be my own perception of it, who knows) somewhat nonchalant attitude with some peoples representation of their own drug use.

Where does the line start and stop regarding Harm Reductions efficacy. When we have groups of people all comparing their massive doses, we're bound to have some idiot kid come in and say 'well shit, i don't wanna be a bitch, guess i'll start out near those high doses'.

This is intended as a constructive criticism from a similar angle as oldflattop, but i am trying to make this more neutral and non derogatory version of such discussion.

 

[25I_am_so_wonderfu]

No not really. Not anymore than any other drug board. Im on 300 mgs of MXE right now and I can tell you for a fact I am not abusing it. It is an important tool and medicine for society. I plan on taking some 2mgs 25C in a few hours. Wish me luck

 

[Ineffable14]

No not really. Not anymore than any other drug board. Im on 300 mgs of MXE right now and I can tell you for a fact I am not abusing it. It is an important tool and medicine for society. I plan on taking some 2mgs 25C in a few hours. Wish me luck

I hope your not serious, your a lab rat on mxe as it is, but mixing potent 5ht2 agonist is just asking for it,
People like you end up looking a fool on the news. Lol good luck!

I have to agree, I question how a lot of folks on here are still alive after the exesive dosing and at dangerously high dosages, perfect example is the persons post above. I honestly hope anyone seeking info on dose and what not should take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Howzat?]

I guess the term "glamorize" is all relative. I'm sure to a Christian extremist any drug use is glamorizing but to many on the net this is tame.

I know I'm only new here but to me there seems to be an overall sensible position on drugs and their effects. Any large community will have a mix of ideas and viewpoints and healthy debate is better than a dictatorship.

 

[zn13bt]

Many posters around here are pretty knowledgeable and have a lot of personal experience with these kinds of chemicals. Others are obviously reckless and full of shit. The discerning reader should be able to distinguish between these two groups fairly easily.

 

[Foreigner]

TBH I don't really care how this board or my posts are perceived. If I spent my life worrying about what other people thought of the things I say I'd probably never post my ideas or express my views.

This site has a huge member base and you are going to find a bit of everything here. Maybe some people are showing off but it seems pretty rare compared to the number of threads I see on people needing education or genuine help.

 

[SONN]

I try not to 'glamorize' my drug use because you usually just sound like an asshole when you do but when I have a good time I don't lie about it! Also this is one of the few places that I record all of the crazy things i do so it's fun to spice it up and make it sound like a good time.

 

[2002Tii]

I feel like glamorizing when it comes to substance discussion happens all the time regardless of whether it is in analog or digital discussion. At least for the most part here when people "glamorize" they get reamed for it and get told that it is unsafe/various methods of HR. I feel that the "glamorization" is more of a product of human nature than of this board.

 

[twelvesevndi]

No not really. Not anymore than any other drug board. Im on 300 mgs of MXE right now and I can tell you for a fact I am not abusing it. It is an important tool and medicine for society. I plan on taking some 2mgs 25C in a few hours. Wish me luck

haaaaaaa. are you so full of bitterness that you need to sarcastically patronize this board on an almost daily basis? why not spend your free time at a website you like?

for all its flaws this forum is significantly better than the alternatives (p<.001).

 

[freedstar]

I agree with you and have thought about this before. There is an underlying 'use psychedelics to better ones self' or whatever you wanna call it, even among some of the most knowledgeable posters. They'll admit that it's not a good idea for some people to use psychedelics. That's fine. But what about the others who's lives are impacted in ways that are less obvious? I can say from first hand experience that it can shake up a persons life trajectory in ways that are hard to put into words.

 

[pofacedhoe]

No not really. Not anymore than any other drug board. Im on 300 mgs of MXE right now and I can tell you for a fact I am not abusing it. It is an important tool and medicine for society. I plan on taking some 2mgs 25C in a few hours. Wish me luck

yeah because people can type on that much MXE

such a troll

besides that any admission of drug use can be seen as glamorising it. its too subjective so why worry

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

Good input guys.
Wasn't meaning to come of as being against anything that's been said on BL. I'm not offended or particularly concerned just interested in how my fellows felt about this potential.

I do agree that there's a good balance of input here honestly. And as stated above, with a large population of frequenters it is understandable to get a mix of responsible and irresponsible drug use input. Its awesome that all the 'commonly accepted as dangerous habits/doses' are pointed out as being bad ideas.


Another question is where does the line start/stop between responsible and irresponsible drug use? Who am I to decide which is which, knowing not the full picture surrounding others choices... Is there a definitive distinction to be made even? Subjectivity is definitely a main factor here...

It is valuable as a community certainly to have input from everyone, as it gives us more examples of how these compounds effect or can be handled by varying biochemistries/personalities/etc. So I guess in that sense any honest truthful input regarding someones substance use is good right?

 

[25I_am_so_wonderfu]

I hope your not serious, your a lab rat on mxe as it is, but mixing potent 5ht2 agonist is just asking for it,
People like you end up looking a fool on the news. Lol good luck!

I have to agree, I question how a lot of folks on here are still alive after the exesive dosing and at dangerously high dosages, perfect example is the persons post above. I honestly hope anyone seeking info on dose and what not should take it with a grain of salt.

You are right. Maybe it wasn't such a good idea. I started having severe kidney and bladder pains about 4 hours into the MXE/25C experience. I waited another 2 hours when the pain subsided to bump another 25 mgs subnasally to test if it was really MXE and lo and behold the pains returned. I think I will lay off for a few days. Until then I will stick with 4-MeO-PCP with a nice dose of etizolam to stablize the experience for my otherworldly travels.

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

You are hardcore man! ^^ a few days isn't much of a break if you're experiencing what you are confident to be kidney and bladder pains.

Or is that all a joke ? Either way I wish you the best potentials for health friend

 

[Foreigner]

Good input guys.
Wasn't meaning to come of as being against anything that's been said on BL. I'm not offended or particularly concerned just interested in how my fellows felt about this potential.

I do agree that there's a good balance of input here honestly. And as stated above, with a large population of frequenters it is understandable to get a mix of responsible and irresponsible drug use input. Its awesome that all the 'commonly accepted as dangerous habits/doses' are pointed out as being bad ideas.


Another question is where does the line start/stop between responsible and irresponsible drug use? Who am I to decide which is which, knowing not the full picture surrounding others choices... Is there a definitive distinction to be made even? Subjectivity is definitely a main factor here...

It is valuable as a community certainly to have input from everyone, as it gives us more examples of how these compounds effect or can be handled by varying biochemistries/personalities/etc. So I guess in that sense any honest truthful input regarding someones substance use is good right?

The difference between irresponsible/resposible use and drug use/drug abuse is probably the same. Abuse and irresponsible use involves carelessly going beyond your dose and limit, knowingly doing damage to your body and mind but continuing anyway, not having proper regard for the boundaries of others, using drugs as an excuse to commit inappropriate acts against others, and basically putting yourself or others in danger because of your behaviour, etc.

Often there is no clear line between use and abuse. Sometimes it is set by the law, and other times it is up to the user themselves to define it. For myself, a good way for me to differentiate use from abuse is the state my body and mind are in. If I've been using so much that I'm getting run down then that's a sign I'm no longer in balance.

As for your last question... yes, having a wide range of community input into the dialogue helps us to understand our own limits through education. IMO people who glamorize drug use have not yet been humbled by going off the deep end, and their pride might one day lead them to a humbling experience if they are not careful.

 

[J.Wallace]

I can't help but feel this thread was created in light of, not only my MXE abuse and postings on this board, but others such as Eyes_Wide_Closed (Sorry if I got your username wrong) especially since you mention MXE once or twice.

Though people post stupid shit like how much we do, such high doses, cock sizing and what not, the whole point of this board is to educate and hope others will use the knowledge learned to take their drugs more safely. Let's face it...we're gonna fucking do what we wanna fucking do anyway, if we wanna do heroin we're gonna fucking do heroin, but Bluelight is here to show us "Hey...not all heroin is the same" and such, so now the person can do what they are so hell bent on doing in a safe manner as oppose to doing it ignorantly.

Also, to the guy who said something bout people not being about to type on 300mg of MXE...you clearly never had a tolerance, lmao! I've been on over 500mg of MXE and still typed. Not bragging, just saying...I legit laughed my ass off when you thought the guy was joking about being on 300mg of MXE, it's certainly possible, lol!

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

No one in particular came to mind but yeah the last year or so its seemed the MXE habits have been a frequent topic of discussion here. Agreed that it can potentially help others to hear input from heavy users of anything.

 

[25I_am_so_wonderfu]

That's ridiculous. MXE has been used safely for years and years and years. It is an important TOOL, not a drug. If anything SRRI's are more deadly. I think if one were to replace their current SRRI regiment with an equivalent dose of MXE, they would be much better off and so would the world.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Where does the line start and stop regarding Harm Reductions efficacy.

It's undeniable PD has more of a pro-drug slant than say, OD or BDD, but I'm fine with that. The risks involved here are pretty different than with "hard" drugs (super-potent PEAs and dissociative abuse notwithstanding).

I can say from first hand experience that it can shake up a persons life trajectory in ways that are hard to put into words.

That's kind of the point though, isn't it? At least I went into psychedelic desiring such changes. Though I didn't start till I was 18 (and my interest in psychs is what led me to other drugs as well).

 

[Survived Abortion]

Perceived by whom?

Bluelight is first and foremost a harm reduction board, and there are plenty of good people on here trying to disseminate good advice. There are also quite a number of irresponsible fools who come through here, but this is the internet and it is based on free speech. We cannot censor every cocky poster with whose practices we disagree.

Nevertheless, such behaviour is recognized, and I'm sure you can see that posters such as myself, as well as many other good folk here, are always trying to make sure that posts of that nature are counter-balanced with common sense. Generally the moderators do a good job here and we are lucky to have a good team. It's probably a very tricky thing to weigh up in every given situation whether somebody's post crosses the line in to harmful territory, but all of the mods currently active in PD are very experienced with this.

In most cases (as it pertains to the content of the discussion), the moderators are redundant because the board is pretty well self-regulated. Those who are cocky and macho are always outnumbered by those who have greater experience under their belt, and you will find that stupid posts are most always called out by somebody. Sometimes the debates can get a little heated or run on for pages like the MXE threads, but I would certainly hope that anybody reading through these discussions can see the sensible arguments from the thick-headed ones.

It is understood that the writings of authors do affect people and their decisions, otherwise we wouldn't have any reason to talk to each other. Like you, I don't tolerate dick-sizing and the blatant promotion of reckless behaviour. But in that sense, it is about addressing the specific problems associated with somebody's assertion/statement/argument (such as calling out their dosing behaviour as being dangerous), and not about making sweeping rules to clamp down on the "glamorization" of psychedelics. It is up to each and every one of us to be vigilant, and not be lazy or cowardly about responding to such posts.

Please remember that you can use the "report" button to report any posts which are blatantly spreading harmful information or breaking the BLUA in other ways. If we don't personally act to deal with offending posts, then we can't really blame the moderators for not doing so either.