MDMA, introducing it to my friends before new years, got questions

[webdesignnomad]

Hey all, so this new years I plan on doing MDMA. This is the second time I will be doing it, last time I did it was about 4 months ago and that was a very low dose as well. I absolutely loved it. Since then I have done all my research and really familiarized myself with it. I have convinced my 2 close friends who haven't tried anything other then weed ( they don't like weed but are cool with it) to do it for new years. However they are a bit reluctant to try something new on a important night like that in case it doesn't go good. I understand where they are coming from.

They suggested they wouldn't mind trying to first before new years and if they liked it then they would be alright with doing it on new years, fair enough. I understand however that MDMA is a substance that you should not be doing 2 weeks in a row and it should be spaced out with at least a 1 month gap. However since we all rarely do it ( it will stay this way) I feel like it is alright to make an exception in this case. This weekend I was thinking we would all do a very low dose of MDMA ( I have a gram of pure MDMA). I was thinking if we were all to have 60mg orally, they would be able to lightly feel the effects and understand what it is sorta like. Then come new years, we would all take 120mg first and keep a booster of 60mg in case we needed it.

My question is, would it be fine for us to test it out this weekend and then a week later get the full experience during new years? Also will there still be any tolerance a week later? Are my dosage estimations alright? Will 60mg be enough to feel the general effects without being to destructive on our body? Finally how long do you think 120mg will keep me going for?

THANKS

 

[StrutterGear]

You aren't going to feel 60mg of MDMA. You shouldn't be doing it that close together but since you're going to anyway, take the full dose so you can properly familiarise them with it. What's the point of doing a low dose and then doing a full dose when it wont feel anything similiar?

The 120mg should be a the full 4-5 hour experience, but see the stickied thread "6 Simple Rules to MDMA" at the top of the thread for rough dosage measurements.

 

[LuGoJ]

I don't know if 60mg would do much of anything for most people as I believe the threshold dose is usually around 100mg. Some people(myself included) actually report an uncomfortable almost edgy feeling with low doses.

I would just go for the full on experience with them this weekend and then do it next new years with them. That is if they are adamantly against popping their cherry on NYE.

 

[matt2012]

I think they would be able to feel 60mg but its not going to be an accurate judge of how a full dose will effect them. it might be pleasant for them but really all you can expect is a perpetual come up and if they did get a peak from that much it would be short lived.

You should not roll that close together either but being new to the drug, rolling that close together is not going to hurt that much in the long run. you just have to be sure that they understand that taking MDMA that close together routinely is a bad idea. you can get away with it every once in a great while but make a habbit of it and you will see all the bad things that come with MDMA rear their ugly heads.

 

[webdesignnomad]

Yeah, I read the 6 simple rules to MDMA thread. So then what dose should I aim for?

If we took 100mg each (300mg totally) between us would we get a decent idea of what its like or should we just do 120mg. I want to try to save as much of it as possible for new years in the case that some other friends want some.

 

[matt2012]

100mg is a good dose. most pills in the US today contain less than that.

 

[Mel22]

I understand however that MDMA is a substance that you should not be doing 2 weeks in a row and it should be spaced out with at least a 1 month gap. However since we all rarely do it ( it will stay this way) I feel like it is alright to make an exception in this case.

How do they feel about it?

If you are introducing your friends to MDMA, make sure to educate them on the potential risks and damage that may accompany dosing two weeks in a row. They can then make an informed decision as to whether they would like to go ahead with it or not - it should be up to them, not you.

Your experience the following week may be muted due to dosing the week prior. Make sure you test your stuff (this is even more important in your case, since you have 'convinced' other people to take it with you), and then just take it on NYE - don't take it the week before.

 

[webdesignnomad]

How do they feel about it?

If you are introducing your friends to MDMA, make sure to educate them on the potential risks and damage that may accompany dosing two weeks in a row. They can then make an informed decision as to whether they would like to go ahead with it or not - it should be up to them, not you.

Your experience the following week may be muted due to dosing the week prior. Make sure you test your stuff (this is even more important in your case, since you have 'convinced' other people to take it with you), and then just take it on NYE - don't take it the week before.

I will make sure to educate them on the dangers and let them know that doing it 2 weeks in a row isn't really a good idea. Though in all honesty will it actually cause problems or make the hang over significantly worse if we were to do it 2 weeks in a row even though this is pretty much our first proper experience with it. Do you guys believe there is a proper dosage which we can all take which will allow us to gain a good insight into the experience, test the product as well as not put our body under to much stress?

 

[laugh]

Though in all honesty will it actually cause problems or make the hang over significantly worse if we were to do it 2 weeks in a row even though this is pretty much our first proper experience with it.

imo no. just be very cautious of making it a regular thing.
i would also like to point out it is never a good idea to encourage people to take drugs imo. if someone wants to do drugs then fine, but imo encouragement is not a good thing.
100mg is probably a good place to start. there is no one size fits all in regards to dose any drug. everyone reacts differently. what is my preferred dose may not be your preferred dose you dig? start with 100mg and give it an hour or a bit more to kick in completely and if you feel you want more do a bump or two. play safe hombre.

 

[fastblue]

@Mel22- who the hell are you to say that he won't feel as much a week later? And what exactly are the dangers? Sure if you get mdxx mixed with something else then it could be dangerous. If you mdxx is straight up, I don't see much danger in it at all. I know lots of people that have been rolling for over ten years and never had a bad experience or have side affects from it. And that's rolling a couple to a few times a month or more. Where do all you people get all this false information about e?

Mdxx was considered safe up until after 2k and everything was adulterated. There is still good safe mdxx if you just look for it.

 

[laugh]

@Mel22- who the hell are you to say that he won't feel as much a week later? And what exactly are the dangers?

settle pettle...anyone with a brain in their head knows how safe it is v risks.

 

[Mel22]

@Mel22- who the hell are you to say that he won't feel as much a week later?

Please do not put words in my mouth, I said no such thing. In response to the OPs question, I stated that the second roll may be muted, and this is well documented anecdotally. I am not in a position to state definitively that the roll will NOT be muted, so I answered the OP's question in a way I found reasonable. I cannot understand why you have taken issue with it? Please explain.

And what exactly are the dangers?

There are countless threads on this, so UTFSE - I'm not going to spoon feed you...plus, it'd take a hell of a lot of spoonfuls. I mean, in your last thread you didn't even know what molly was and were also stating that your nose is more reliable than reagent testing, so it would be wise to do a bit of reading before you come in here all guns blazing. It seems as though you are implying that there is absolutely no reason why you should not roll two weeks in a row...is this correct? If so, I suggest you educate yourself before you do some harm. Or, learn the hard way - I'll respond to your "HELP ME" thread when the time comes.

I know lots of people that have been rolling for over ten years and never had a bad experience or have side affects from it. And that's rolling a couple to a few times a month or more. Where do all you people get all this false information about e?

So, you know people that have been rolling more than a "few times a month" for over a decade, and have never experienced any negative side effects? Right, sure, I very much doubt this but...okay. So, are you therefore advocating this as safe practice? Keep in mind that this is a harm reduction forum. The fact that you have neglected to mention that dosing many times per month is incredibly reckless and dangerous is concerning. Rolling that often is abuse - plain and simple. And what false information are you referring to exactly? Please quote.

If you have anything meaningful to contribute, then please do. By all means quote this "false information" you speak of, and please provide evidence to support. I am all for open discussion and debate, but when you come in here providing zero information other than statements like "my matez roll like 100 timez per year brahhhh and they're fine so who the hell are u," then well, it isn't really worth much is it?

 

[Mailmonkey]

So, you know people that have been rolling more than a "few times a month" for over a decade, and have never experienced any negative side effects? Right, sure, I very much doubt this but...okay. So, are you therefore advocating this as safe practice? Keep in mind that this is a harm reduction forum. The fact that you have neglected to mention that dosing many times per month is incredibly reckless and dangerous is concerning. Rolling that often is abuse - plain and simple. And what false information are you referring to exactly? Please quote.

I and many of my friends found the same as fastblue said to be true.

Over 2 decades though, obviously with peaks and troughs of doses and frequency of dosing.

But no ill effects, or long-term irreparable damage has become apparent.

The fact that you have neglected to mention that dosing many times per month is incredibly reckless and dangerous is concerning.

I advise a 3 month break between doses.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I don't exist. Neither does my girlfriend.

I am 48. She is older. You don't ask a lady her age. Mind you, she's no lady.

Started taking MDMA in 1989. Both of us. Continue to take it to this day. Between 1994 and 1997 I estimate we took MDMA somewhere around 300 times. Don't forget we had taken MDMA on a regular basis before this. And continued to afterwards. To this day. I estimate we have had well over 1000 MDMA experiences.

My girlfriend is a teacher. I work in retail. We own our home, no mortgage. Before anyone asks, no, she didn't do much teaching, nor me much retail, between 1994 and 1997. Everyone needs a holiday.

Neither of us have suffered any negative symptoms from usage that has impacted on our lives. The only negative symptom I can see from our usage is that I am now not the best sleeper in the world. However, my girlfriend still is. So was that even the MDMA?

I am not saying this to encourage anyone out there to do as we did. But I am writing it to show the ridiculousness of the 'advice' I've seen in this forum about 3 months breaks divided by the square root of pi. From a 17 year old.

Comparatively, MDMA is a benign drug. The advice in this forum is completely disproportionate to the danger of the drug.

But then I, and my girlfriend, and our many, successful, Etard friends don't actually exist do we?

 

[Inso]

to the OP: What you have described sounds like a pretty fine plan to be honest, its a good idea to try it out the week before to see if they will like it. Although cases of people 'not liking' MDMA their first time are few and far between hah. Like people say you will want 100mg+ as a dose to get a good experience.

You will be absolutely fine doing it two consecutive weekends, its not a worry whatsoever. I wouldn't think there would be any diminished effect the second time round considering you all have no tolerance and the doses are fairly moderate.

 

[Bearlove]

You can easily drop MDMA for a couple of weekends without noticing any negative side effects of diminished effects! Is this safe ? There is simply no evidence either way but ...IF there was a massive curve of people using MDMA / going mad / suffering depression after using then it would have shown by now?

 

[swedger77]

I am now not the best sleeper in the world.

Me neither.............MDMA and other stims like mephedrone definitely play havoc with my sleeping. For example if i have MDMA on the Saturday night i will typically sleep ok on the Sunday, but Monday or Tuesday night i will typically have a light broken sleep. If i give myself a break from MDMA my sleeping does improve but Im never a heavy sleeper................like my mother. She was never a pill head!

 

[Mel22]

Mailmonkey and SHM - of course what you're saying is possible. I have not once implied that it is a certainty that you will suffer long-term irreparable damage, or that anyone that has abused ecstasy will not be successful in any way - such extreme and illogical statements! I cannot imagine how you drew that from my post? Are you responding to someone/something else? You've taken a single sentence I wrote amongst many, and written relatively lengthy posts in response that don't not even relate to the OPs question?

Let me clarify, because obviously there is confusion:

I know lots of people that have been rolling for over ten years and never had a bad experience or have side affects from it.

Never had a bad experience? Never had any side effects? This is a ridiculous statement. A bad comedown is a negative side effect. Depression in the following days is a negative side effect. An anxiety-ridden or muted roll is a bad experience. Negative side effects and "bad experiences" can include many things. I don't see any mention of "long-term irreparable damage" or anything about anyone not existing. Lol. Now, dosing a "few times or MORE per month" would, in all likelihood, bring about some negative consequences (temporary or otherwise)...do you disagree?

Just to remind you, in my response (that you have for some reason taken issue with) I stated that I very much doubt that someone abusing MDMA many times per month for over a decade had never experienced any negative side effects - you think this is unreasonable? I also asked fastblue whether he considered this to be safe, and mentioned that I find it concerning that he appears to be advocating this. He didn't even know what molly was, and is confidently stating that he trusts his sense of smell more than a reagent test...I think my questions and statements were fair, and I honestly have no idea why you two are going of on tangents as you are. Maybe it's that nasty, evil MDMA that has done it to you?

 

[futura2012]

Will 60mg be enough to feel the general effects without being to destructive on our body? Finally how long do you think 120mg will keep me going for?

THANKS

I dont agree that 60mG will have no effect

http://ecstasy.org/testing/index.html

Browse through this lot and tell me a 60mG pill has no effect.

The main issue is reference points have changed because of dutch superpills circu 200mG +.

However, 60mG will definitely work.

 

[F1n1shed]

You will feel 60mg in my opinion and rolling week after week is fine regarding to getting the effects, but not regarding the damage it will cause. Um i don't know how you have taken over 1000 doses of MDMA and say you don't feel ANY different, maybe the change was so gradual that you don't remember how you felt before the MDMA. Try studying or taking a test even a week after rolling hard, and tell me it isn't more difficult. MDMA is a benign drug when it comes to taking a lot and not over dosing but as far as brain changes, it definitely causes that. I don't want people to get the idea from your reckless posts that you can roll every month for the rest of your life and perform at 100% as if you were sober. That is not the case, and i would put money on that. You may not feel it (although most do), but go take some of those brain scans and i'm sure they can find neuronal changes.

Sorry i'm trying to be a preacher but i just don't want people making threads on here saying HELP i don't feel right, im experiencing this.. and this. and this. It's not fun recovering from MDMA neurotoxicity so i'd rather prevent it.