Rolled 8 Times In 30 Days - any damage?

[StrutterGear]

Oops edited your post instead of posting haha.

It's what Americans call big chunks of crystal, I just call it crystal or if its a quarter oz rock, I call it a rock...

 

[rave_itsrealfun!!!]

Essentially, the answer is yes - you almost certainly did some permanent damage to your body from taking Mdma 8 times in a month. However, it is unlikely that you will experience any noticeable changes in your conscious experience of life at this point, unless you were to continue taking Mdma. Six months down the road, it is my guess that you might run into problems even if you never take it again. I would personally recommend that you stop using Mdma for at least a year, if you would like to have Mdma as a continuous presence throughout your life.

I say this because I used to love Mdma. I took it roughly once every 10 days for a whole year. I haven't used it in 18 months, and Mdma has completely lost its appeal to me due to my overuse of the drug. I chose to have all my experiences over a short period of time, and now I have no choice but to abandon it for a while. Years down the road from now, I might be able to get away with the odd roll.

I ask you, crackhead, have you ever taken a long break from using MDMA? How do you think your life would change, if you didn't use Mdma for an entire year? I mean, if you are really taking Mdma once a week, your life is going to be a lot less fun without it. I personally guarantee that you would run into a lot of emotional problems in your life if you were to completely discontinue using Mdma, and that you currently have a dependence on it. You don't notice anything because you haven't stopped taking it yet. It is then, upon discontinuing the drug, that side effects tend to emerge.

Just because everyone does it, doesn't make it OK. It sounds to me like Mdma use has become as much of an abuse problem in Europe as binge drinking. This is unfortunate. Mdma is truly a wonderful gift when used responsibly.

Crackheads claim that people in Europe are taking such massive doses just goes to show that there is a rapid increase in tolerance with abuse of the drug, and that these people are chasing the high, and are longer comfortable with how high they are getting. Are these people having profound, incredibly mind blowing, intimate spiritual experiences each and every Friday night? I seriously doubt that.

I got out relatively unscathed, and I consider myself lucky. I believe that my brain is not permanently fried from my Mdma abuse because I am an avid gym enthusiast, I eat healthy, I am smarter than the average joe to begin with, and I otherwise take really good care of myself apart from being a habitual cannabis dopehead, pothead, weed fiend, etc. Call me what you want, and I will continue to smoke that weed all day. Call these ravers what you want, and they will continue to rave out every weekend, but since this kind of behaviour is not sustainable in the long run, most will eventually burn out and fade away from the scene, despite any kind of intervention that is attempted by those who know the dark side of the path they are taking.

 

[goonbag]

why? 3 months seems arbitrary. wikipedia's entry on MDMA (retrieved today) notes: "MDMA causes a reduction in the concentration of serotonin transporters (SERTs) in the brain. The rate at which the brain recovers from serotonergic changes is unclear."

wiki? seriously? that's the gospel you quote I'm with crackhead on this one

 

[Mailmonkey]

Essentially, the answer is yes - you almost certainly did some permanent damage to your body from taking Mdma 8 times in a month. However, it is unlikely that you will experience any noticeable changes in your conscious experience of life at this point, unless you were to continue taking Mdma. Six months down the road, it is my guess that you might run into problems even if you never take it again. I would personally recommend that you stop using Mdma for at least a year, if you would like to have Mdma as a continuous presence throughout your life.

Nonsense. Complete nonsense.

Just because something happened to you, don't extrapolate this onto millions of people who have had none of these efects whatsoever.

EDIT>>>>I haven't commented further because I couldn't be bothered to read the rest of your post. I guess I'm severely e-tarded or something?

EDIT2>>>>my eyes!! my eyes!!

I ask you, crackhead, have you ever taken a long break from using MDMA? How do you think your life would change, if you didn't use Mdma for an entire year? I mean, if you are really taking Mdma once a week, your life is going to be a lot less fun without it. I personally guarantee that you would run into a lot of emotional problems in your life if you were to completely discontinue using Mdma, and that you currently have a dependence on it. You don't notice anything because you haven't stopped taking it yet. It is then, upon discontinuing the drug, that side effects tend to emerge.

I took it loads, stopped, took it loads, stopped, very occasional user now...no problems here, on heavy use, or on quitting.

EDIT3>>>your username, lol.

 

[goonbag]

so many edits mailmonkey clearly you didn't wait the 3 month intervals lol

 

[parttime crackhead]

I ask you, crackhead, have you ever taken a long break from using MDMA? How do you think your life would change, if you didn't use Mdma for an entire year? I mean, if you are really taking Mdma once a week, your life is going to be a lot less fun without it. I personally guarantee that you would run into a lot of emotional problems in your life if you were to completely discontinue using Mdma, and that you currently have a dependence on it. You don't notice anything because you haven't stopped taking it yet. It is then, upon discontinuing the drug, that side effects tend to emerge.

You personally guarantee it, do you? Outstanding.

I have been taking MDMA regularly for about 10 years. During that time I've went through periods of taking it weekly, more than weekly, monthly, not at all for a few months at time as well as two separate breaks of over a year each. None of the things you have guaranteed to happen have happened.

You are wrong.

 

[Jagdfeld]

You personally guarantee it, do you? Outstanding.

I have been taking MDMA regularly for about 10 years. During that time I've went through periods of taking it weekly, more than weekly, monthly, not at all for a few months at time as well as two separate breaks of over a year each. None of the things you have guaranteed to happen have happened.

You are wrong.

Two quick things to consider: Do you test your pills? You can "roll" on some piperazine pills or some methylone molly (or any ridiculous combination). Personally, once I finally got a test kit and found a reliable source, I noticed pretty much everything I was taking previously was cut to hell, hence not too bad of a comedown and what not (if it's cut to shit, or cut with something worse, such as meth as I re-mention in a quote from the moderator before.

While MDMA has never been proven to be "neurotoxic"(Due to numerous conflicting studies), many additives to the drug made to make its effects more potent are. If you have consumed (meth)amphetamine, it is most likely that you have done some brain damage. Otherwise, MDMA by itself down regulates serotonin for a fairly long period of time.

Second, every individual really is different in this regard is...I've seen people do pure ecstasy many times in a month and be fine, yet, for the majority of us, it can cause major issues. It's awesome at first, of course, but then the Brain zaps and major depression hit in. No fun at all.

No one is trying to preach to you, we're just trying to help. Some of us have been there and know what can happen, and it can affect your life as a whole (job, school, family, gf, wife, etc). Keep those things in mind and be safe, brother.

EDIT: Also to mention, and someone correct me if I am wrong, nuerotoxicity is never acute; you feel depressed the next few days or so as a result of receptor downregulation and a resulting loss in tryptophan hydroxolase, which can cause your serotonin levels to replenish much slower. Nuerotoxicity, as far as I have gathered (and again someone correct me if I am wrong) expresses itself in more subtle ways throughout a duration of time, depending on the duration (memory, emotion, motivation, happiness, etc).

 

[parttime crackhead]

I was replying directly to the person who "personally guaranteed" what would happen were I to take a break from MD. Those personal guarantees didn't come true in reality.

When I say "taking MDMA" I mean taking MDMA, not taking something else that is supposed to be MDMA. None of the pills or crystal I take contain anything they shouldn't. One of the year+ breaks I had from MD was due to not having a decent & consistent supply of good clean pills/crystal, I have always had a solid supply before & after that drought.

 

[Mailmonkey]

I've seen people do pure ecstasy many times in a month and be fine, yet, for the majority of us, it can cause major issues. It's awesome at first, of course, but then the Brain zaps and major depression hit in. No fun at all.

I've seen people, including myself do E many times in a month for many consecutive months, and I'd say "for the majority of us" it caused no major issues, in fact I don't personally know anyone who has had major issues beyond a few days at most extended comedown type symptoms.

But yes, as you say, every individual really is different

 

[Folley]

I've seen people, including myself do E many times in a month for many consecutive months, and I'd say "for the majority of us" it caused no major issues, in fact I don't personally know anyone who has had major issues beyond a few days at most extended comedown type symptoms.

But yes, as you say, every individual really is different

Sounds like you're still in the "honeymoon" phase of using. Don't worry, if you keep that up I'm sure you'll get to the same point as us soon as well.




I used to roll, EVERY WEEK, for almost 8 months. I took around 300 pills in this time span.... and I noticed almost NO problems while I was doing it. That is, until one night I decided to get really fucked up, and that set off the comedown that had been building for months.

That's the problem with MDMA abuse, people don't even realize it's doing anything bad to them because they think they feel fine a day or two after rolling. No, you're still at those lowered 5-HT levels, but your brain just adjusted to it so you won't feel like shit anymore.




If you want to abuse a drug and not give a fuck about the consequences, whatever. That's your choice. But I'll be DAMNED before I let you convince other people to do it as well on a HARM REDUCTION board. If you want to talk about how you roll as often as possible, there are other forums for that.

 

[Mailmonkey]

Sounds like you're still in the "honeymoon" phase of using.

Yeah, i guess you got me there Pops.

But I'll be DAMNED before I let you convince other people to do it as well on a HARM REDUCTION board. If you want to talk about how you roll as often as possible, there are other forums for that.

Are you actually a real person, or a joke caracature?

I'm not trying to convince anyone to do anything, I'm saying that I don't think the prospects are as gloomy as you and other posters are making out. I'm giving my impressions, based on my own usage, and that of my friends.

 

[BlueHues]

I roll as much as possible! Are there other forums for that?!

 

[Folley]

I'm 17.


Read through some of the stories in this thread:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/654264-A-Timeline-for-Recovery-from-MDMA-Two-Years-and-Counting


If lasting anxiety, depression and depersonalization don't scare you at all, then by all means keep doing what you and your E Tard friend are doing. I'm sure you're all much smarter than us and science



Again, I abused ecstasy for almost a YEAR before I noticed all the negative effects I was getting. This is so extremely common in ecstasy abusers... they just ignore those bad comedowns and roll again in a few weeks. This is not healthy, by any means.

I roll as much as possible! Are there other forums for that?!

drugs-forum.com

 

[2after909]

HR is important. But it's not HR if you tell people stuff that's wrong. People need information about drugs which is reliable. Way too often, parents, teachers, or media offer poor generalizations (drugs are bad and you get addicted the first time you try it). when someone finds out that a statement about the dangers of drugs was wrong, he or she may start discounting other statements on the dangers of drugs which happen to be true as well.

 

[2after909]

I'm 17.

that explains a thing or two. probably gave you a harder time on occasion that i should have

 

[Folley]

But it's not HR if you tell people stuff that's wrong.

and what exactly could be wrong here? We tell people it is SAFE to roll every 3 months, you cannot say that is wrong.

We often advise people that they can get away with once a month, but myself and the vast majority of regulars here believe that using MDMA once a month consistently for a long period of time is not safe.



Until we can be 100% certain on how long a single individual's serotonin takes to recover (which will likely be never...) we will be forced to err on the side of caution, while trying not to go too far in the other direction as well.



We want people to roll here, but stressing that proper breaks are EXTREMELY important to healthy serotonin development is one of the most important parts of Harm Reduction when it comes to MDMA.


The more frequently you abuse MDMA, the more damage you will do. There is no denying this fact...

that explains a thing or two. probably gave you a harder time on occasion that i should have

No, please. Don't hold back.. I can hold my own against anyone here, at least when it comes to MDMA, that is.

 

[Mailmonkey]

I'm 17.


Read through some of the stories in this thread:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/654264-A-Timeline-for-Recovery-from-MDMA-Two-Years-and-Counting


If lasting anxiety, depression and depersonalization don't scare you at all, then by all means keep doing what you and your E Tard friend are doing. I'm sure you're all much smarter than us and science



Again, I abused ecstasy for almost a YEAR before I noticed all the negative effects I was getting. This is so extremely common in ecstasy abusers... they just ignore those bad comedowns and roll again in a few weeks. This is not healthy, by any means.

I'm 43

My e-tard friends are in their 40's, some with families, most, if not all with jobs, productive happy individuals.

You "abused ecstasy for almost a YEAR"?!?!?!??! Fucking hell, I did for about 15 years, for the last 7 or 8 years I've only done it fairly rarely though.

 

[BlueHues]

I'm 17.


Read through some of the stories in this thread:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/654264-A-Timeline-for-Recovery-from-MDMA-Two-Years-and-Counting


If lasting anxiety, depression and depersonalization don't scare you at all, then by all means keep doing what you and your E Tard friend are doing. I'm sure you're all much smarter than us and science



Again, I abused ecstasy for almost a YEAR before I noticed all the negative effects I was getting. This is so extremely common in ecstasy abusers... they just ignore those bad comedowns and roll again in a few weeks. This is not healthy, by any means.





drugs-forum.com

Hey dude, I was never trying say doing rolls all the time is agreat idea...and healthy too! You can definitely send yourself into all kind of weird mental states with these drugs, and yeah, "ecstasy" is defnitely one of the main ones that can fuck with you....

My whole thing is....even if you do go WAY over the line and do it it way too much for awhile, chances are, you'll probably be okay...that's just experience.....

Not to reminisce too much, but in the 90s, the electronic music scene was pretty much all about pushing your mind over the edge, and it probbly still kind of is now....and I've seen people do drug combos that were ridiculous...Try Ex, K and PCP on for size....used to call K and dust a dusty hole! Most of those people rebounded and are find now, 99%....

What's more common, is people that moved away from psychedlic type drugs and moved onto H and cocaine....A lot of those people OD'd and died...but most of the people I know that stuck with the core "rave-drugs" still DJ and go to parties and went on to be kind of "normal"....they learned their lesson! just sayin...

 

[Folley]

It's been almost my 4 year anniversary from trying MDMA. Right after winter break Freshman year was when I first tried it..

for the last 7 or 8 years I've only done it fairly rarely though.

Then it seems like you're more proving my point that disagreeing with it. You've been able to use for that long because you do it fairly rarely.. do you really think you could have kept that up if you were using MDMA EVERY month during that entire period? I assume not... so I don't really see the point you're trying to make anymore?

 

[furrball]

I used to roll, EVERY WEEK, for almost 8 months. I took around 300 pills in this time span....

You mean every weekend, or every day of the week ? Just doing the math on your consumption per session..

I'm 43
My e-tard friends are in their 40's, some with families, most, if not all with jobs, productive happy individuals.

Amen, brother..