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Intravenous Drug Users; are they all depressed?

it's possible but unlikely, i mean honestly like i said it's not that needles are inherently bad, it's just that their correlation with bad habits makes it seem they are. The last several times i did oxy, all but one of them were with a pin. I was happy/healthy/athletic at these times, have been since then, had no fiending and didn't have the urge to spend more later in the night or following day (all of these times were with (1) 30, except one of the times i did 2 at once and got sick. lol)
Note: after getting past addiction, i find oxy WAY harder to enjoy. Booting one is enjoyable w/o a doubt, but cannot imagine how my life revolved around them (i mean, logically i know about what addiction does and what w/d's are, i just meant that the high, even having not used in a looong time adn booting a whole 30, i just don't see how something so generic ran my life for so long :/ on a single-session usage, i'd take most any psychedelic over oxy/opiates, i mean they're basically a wash w/ getting stoned for me at this point. If for some reason i had several days' in a row on oxy, i'm sure i'd "get" their pull again )
 
I wasn't depressed at all when I started shooting up. I just had a nasty tolerance while sniffing heroin and proceeded to get the absolute most out of the bags that I was buying. The only time I have ever experienced depression was when kicking heroin cold turkey and I know that it was withdrawal induced. I believe that a lot of people switch to shooting up for my previously stated reason, nothing to do with being depressed.
 
i don't think the assumption is that the switch is caused out of depression, but rather that the majority of IV users are depressed or have some psych issues, which makes sense because addiction and psych disease pretty much go hand in hand (whether propensity for those with 'natural' issues to seek drugs, the propensity for drugs to cause such issues, or the surfacing/worsening of issues upon becoming an addict)

The addict lifestyle is, almost 100%, a lifestyle that induces depression. Even if you can keep high degrees of 'normalcy' through heavy addiction, it's hard not to be depressed when you're a slave to a fucking molecule :\
 
bmxxx said:
it's hard not to be depressed when you're a slave to a fucking molecule :\
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I agree. After a while.. depression usually becomes an issue.. I mean, it may not rule your life and you certainly wont be depressed everyday, but when your life starts coming apart at the seams it's pretty normal to start feeling like shit...
 
exactly. I mean, withdrawals and kicking cold turkey were HELL ON EARTH, but right up until that point i had gone years w/ the steadiest supply of rx'd oxy/methadone/benzo's, and the last prolly 6mo of that, before having to stop, despite having as much as i wanted to take i was still depressed, and the usage (w/o any w/d's or limited supply) was still destroying life. THAT, just knowing how much of a slave i was, and how integral my oxy was to living, made it hard to be happy yknow?
 
I agree. It is a scary thing when you're in a situation where drugs are unlimited tut you're still fucking miserable, and I think it's mostly because many of us (or at least I do this) think "Well if only I could get high all the time, things would be okay." Then, if we have the 'privilege' to live out (and through) a situation where the drugs are in constant supply but still feel like garbage, its a frightening realization, because if drugs won't fix things, than what the hell can? It's kind of pathetic to state it like that, but its the truth IME.
 
wow...
#1 - fully agree; when i was still a teenager i loved the whole 'hedonistic imperative' line of thinking, and took til my mid20's to experience that unlimited usage /= pleasure. Moderation is truly the key to psychoactives of any sort.

#2 - I don't know your handle because i prolly don't frequent the same subbies you do, but somehow i have your avatar saved to my computer. I'm gonna guess i saved it from somewhere here and you're prolly the artist, so...thanks, that's an *amazing* work right there.
 
Nope not at all. IV use to me is simply a way to get the most out of my drugs.

Although i did have a full blown coke IV addiction. I can keep IV use with other drugs to once or twice a month. Meth, heroin, ketamine etc..I refuse to use methamphetamine in any other route than filtered carefully and IVed. Not really a fan of putting anything in my nose when it can go in my vein. I'm always safe and my nose could do without more damage.
 
mmmCHRISx said:
IV cocaine will turn you into a soulless monster and should be avoided indefinitely imo
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it's not the intravenous usage that's the monster, it's the ruthless pump'n'suck* it causes w/ dopamine. This can be done w/o a needle by basing coke ("crack"**), and isn't inherent to the needle(tho only a fool would deny the correlation; still, only a fool would imply correlation = causation)
*=credit for a fav term of mine goes to DRONE342)
**= I have personally based cocaine on a handful of occasions and, despite my significant dislike of strong dopaminergics, it is plainly obvious the strength that such mental states can hold. I strongly dislike it, and would flush a pile of the shit w/o hesitation (and have done that on two separate occasions for a guy i worked for who has/had a tendency to change from sober<not even booze/cigs> to crack-binge a couple times a year)
/funny thing is that that^ guy is, by a significant margin actually, the most financially successful guy i know, and also one of the best ppl morally *excepting* when he does his bi-annual binge. This has happened 4X since I've known/worked with him(realty), and each time i find out by him calling me, crying like a child, begging me to help him "shut down" as he calls it, because he's days (or over a week) into a session and cannot stop, since dealers won't refuse him even if he has no cash since they know w/o doubt he's good for it. Crack<or needles or any stupid-strong psychoactive> is ugly, but it can get *real* ugly when there's unlimited funds and supply is a non-issue :\
 
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mmmCHRISx said:
crack is not as good as high as IV cocaine. You are mistaken.
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I'm not mistaken; my understanding, though i've never met someone who's IV'd coke (my irl experience w/ coke is very limited), is that you're right- IV is even stronger than basing. I'm glad i've never met someone who's fucked with that, as what i've seen with base(crack) has already stretched my conceptions of what a simple chemcial can do to 45yrs of otherwise outstanding living(the man i mention before who, withholding his occasional crack sprees and bad style/taste/aesthetic, is absolutely a role model/hero of mine)
The point is that it's the dopamine "pump/suck", it's the chemicals, NOT the method of administration. Apologies if i was unclear :/
 
mr.scagnattie said:
I agree but I do know people who enjoy crack more. Never made sense to me but different strokes for different folks..
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i've based several times before and hope i'm never around it again (none of my exposures were chosen or consciously pursued, but rather situations i fell into via circumstance. All but one were situations involving the aforementioned cries of "help me I cannot stop myself and have been up for days / over a week"); I'm also an ex-oxy addict (over 2yrs from any semblance of abuse/addiction/use of more than once per several months*), and used needles during the last several months of my addiction. That said, the idea of IV coke scares the fuck out of me. I know how strong crack is, and the pull it holds for *easily* several hours after your last hit, despite you being indifferent or even disliking of it *while* you're in a session. IV coke scares the fuck out of me. Hopefully I'll never have to know anyone or see anyone doing it IRL.
[*=yes, i will still use oxy recreationally on occasion, probably done it maybe ~5X since i got over a 2yr+ daily, prescribed addiction. ALL of those times I did not seek it, nor did I have desire to purchase a second round, nor did i have withdrawals or fiending. If i didn't live in the oxy-capital county of the oxy-capital state, it's extremely unlikely such scenarios woulda happened anyways and i probably woulda never touched it after ending my addiction. BUT, living in pinellas county FL, it's about as par for the course as pot is in mendecino county]
 
Every story is different. But everyone I know, myself included, was depressed/lost/anxiety-ridden before becoming junkies. You have the honeymoon period with the needle, but then the depression/anxiety returns and you forget how bad it was and now it seems worse cuz even the hardest of hard drugs don't make it go away
 
I know this is steering the thread off topic, but most people I know who prefer crack,used to prefer IV cocaine, but after a while found it too intense as crack's a bit 'calmer' of a high. I personally only smoked freebase in between shots of coke so it didn't really do shit for me, but I know quite a few people who have made this claim.
 
I've heard it quite a bit actually. I mean, (good) coke is kind of calming in a weird way, even when you shoot it, that minute where you're just sitting there and all the noise is sucked out of the room (or bathroom more commonly in my case) is peaceful in a strange sense. It's really after the initial rush that my heart rate would start firing off like a jack hammer.
 
Everybody's different. For me I've always been depressed
before the dope ever came into my life, I don't ever really
remember being happy at all for any long period of time
the depression was always lingering around somewhere.
I've found that since I've been an iv drug user the depression
has defiantly gotten worse. If I'd have known this prior to
I would have never done it. It heightends the depression
& intensives it by 100. Knowing this expierencing it and
living it I still don't stop it. I continue to do it like its going
out of style. I love to hate it.
 
95Land said:
Make no mistake.... Every fellow junkie I've ever spent time with was almost or just as addicted to the act of shooting up as they were the drug itself.
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God is that true. It's kind of depressing in itself wondering to yourself what must you have done to fall in love with something most people desperately avoid (having a needle stuck in them). I can't help but watch intensely and enjoy the sensation of having my blood taken by the doctor. But with addiction it's just never ever enough is it?

Anyhow, I was massively depressed long before the first needle went into my arm, at that point in my life I just didn't care anymore. I'm not nearly as depressed anymore, but the experiences still remain. Once a line has been crossed, it will never be as hard to cross it again as it was the first time.
 
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