The Big & Dandy 25I-NBOMe Thread (3rd edition)

[RUSHDAFUNK]

I've not messed with 25i in quite a while but I am interested in how many people seem to experience little or no bodyload with this chemical. I rather liked 25i but the bodyload made it simply unbearable for me. Even at very low doses (~250ug) I always experienced many issues with muscle tension. My hands would tremor very slightly, I would experience leg cramps, and I would experience a very strong feeling to clench and release my hands.

I am curious if any others have experienced similar effects.

I usually have very little to no body load on this chem. The nbome's seem to be very friendly to me. Also if it restricts blood flow (vasoconstriction) I don't notice it. I do notice at higher doses some muscle tension, but I get this on most psychedelics.

 

[Survived Abortion]

Yeah I'm just thinking the same thing. I'll try the half tab next time and a more comfortable setting. But I really want to know that feeling of alienation happened because of the dose or the setting. Guess I have to experience it further in order to understand it. Thanks for the reply.

I would not call what you experienced a bad trip in the slightest. A bad trip is a traumatic event of universal proportions.

Bad and uncomfortable trips are just an indulgence of the mind, and can happen anywhere at any dose of any compound. The dose of a compound and the setting in which you trip will undoubtedly affect the way you are thinking and, if the circumstances are wrong, potentially make it more difficult to keep afloat if you are having a hard time. But reading your report, I don't see why any of those settings you were in should predispose you to anything darker than normal.

 

[pandahaze]

I would not call what you experienced a bad trip in the slightest. A bad trip is a traumatic event of universal proportions.

But reading your report, I don't see why any of those settings you were in should predispose you to anything darker than normal.

Well people around me were kind of annoying. They were like "you should do this, do that, get in, get out, what are you on etc." I know they were trying to help but I just wanted to left alone which I couldn't even say as I lost to ability to speak rationally. I couldn't express what I was thinking which lead to that situation I think.

I am also wondering if it is safe to use NBOME on antibiotics? Will I get a reaction?

 

[Survived Abortion]

^That's the perils of tripping around those who are inexperienced with the psychedelic headspace. You get used to it after a while, and you can find the ability to stay grounded whatever's going on around you, but it's always best to remove yourself from stressful situations if you can. I've had my trips almost ruined due to the words or actions of certain people, hell, I've even been in a fist fight whilst tripping. But there's always an island of calm inside of you that you can retreat to, and nobody can take that away from you.

There's no contraindication between antibiotics and psychedelics. But, if you have a wound which needs healing then you need to stay away from vasoconstricting compounds until it is passed. The reason why smokers are told not to smoke when they have a wound to heal is because the vasoconstriction caused by some of the chemicals in tobacco smoke severely disrupts the body's ability to heal (as well as compromising the immune system and numerous other problems). Also bear in mind that tripping can be stressful - as you experienced - and stress taxes the body of energy; if you have an infection, your body needs that energy to come back to wellness.

 

[VisualMagic]

Hello, I have a few questions on 25i. I have taken a number of times 6-9 months ago but recently just don't do psychedelics as much as I used to after ayahuasca. My typical dosage was 1mg, but given my tolerence is likely not what it was I'm probably gonna stick to 750mg sublingual (I have 500mg complexed blotters).

Anyways I was wondering if taking benadryl will help the nausea like it does for other drugs such as 2c-e?

Also I see that many people who take this drug at very high doses tend to have seizures. Are these seizures random or is it more of a dose dependent thing, like if I were to keep my dosage a >1mg will I randomly seize out one trip?

I do keep my blotters In a small baggie, Is there a possibility that the 25i will come out and move I guess to other blotters?

Finally I notice these overdoses are more popular with this drug, is this due to its popularity over the other Nbomes or is it just because it's a bit more potent?

 

[Topmid]

i tried this for the first time a few weeks ago. it was extremely intense! i had one drop under the tongue and felt the euphoroia in minutes. for the first hour or so i didn't think i was tripping, just had extreme euphoria. but after awhile lights were refracting insanely and colors were forming out of everything. super strong CEVs. my friend took 2 drops and as an experienced psychonaut, he said that was his strongest trip ever. i'm usually on a way higher level than him but he looked fucking gone. the other guy tripped like 3 times in one week off it so his tolerance was low. there was also a few drunk people smoking spice, they were giving off a terrible vibe to me, i didn't even wanna be near them. for the next few hours i had to sit alone in a room in the dark to get my thoughts together. it was very introspective. it actually gave me a few new perspectives which i appreciate. i had terrible insomnia the next day though. i would definitely recommend and repeat.

 

[pandahaze]

^That's the perils of tripping around those who are inexperienced with the psychedelic headspace. You get used to it after a while, and you can find the ability to stay grounded whatever's going on around you, but it's always best to remove yourself from stressful situations if you can. I've had my trips almost ruined due to the words or actions of certain people, hell, I've even been in a fist fight whilst tripping. But there's always an island of calm inside of you that you can retreat to, and nobody can take that away from you.

There's no contraindication between antibiotics and psychedelics. But, if you have a wound which needs healing then you need to stay away from vasoconstricting compounds until it is passed. The reason why smokers are told not to smoke when they have a wound to heal is because the vasoconstriction caused by some of the chemicals in tobacco smoke severely disrupts the body's ability to heal (as well as compromising the immune system and numerous other problems). Also bear in mind that tripping can be stressful - as you experienced - and stress taxes the body of energy; if you have an infection, your body needs that energy to come back to wellness.

That was very helpful, thanks :D

 

[Doorkey]

about trying to reduce bodyload by preloading, i find 500mg magnesium goes a long way in reducing muscle tension and clenching when i roll so i'll probably try that next time. about the vasoconstriction i don't know of any way i might easily get my hands on vasodilating drugs and i usually trip completely sober, but i know alot of people have a few beers to smoothen the ride, does the vasodilation of the alcohol have any effect in counteracting the constriction of the 25i? or is the only benefit from being a little tipsy?

or does anyone know anything legal and good at vasodilation? I noticed they sell vasodilation supplements to bodybuilders, but then bodybuilders buy all sorts of shit that probably doesnt work.

 

[doomsdayguy]

Tonight I ate 25 10mg THC extract edibles (edi pures) which is a bit of a high dose for myself, but then decided I wanted to try a lower dose of 25I than what I was used to. Not long after eating the edibles I had about one third of a tab held bucally for 10 minutes and spit it out (by accident, haha!) so decided that was good. Before I had always dosed 1mg tabs for an experience that was very powerful and made communication with others impossible at the peak.

Am at a solid ++/+++ now, I know the edibles have COMPLETELY taken away the vasoconstriction that is normally experienced and this is good. I usually just get a lot of shivering and coldness and jaw clenching but this is very different. I really don't understand why 1mg is the usual starting dose for this drug because 300-400 ug is PLENTY for a visual trip equivalent to a couple of hits of acid. On 1mg I noticed some slight mind fuck but right now there is almost none. Music sounds amazing though and is a very good addition for the visual trip. Listening to an album in 5.1 is a treat.

Really people, cut those tabs into QUARTERS and you'll be more satisfied.

 

[zn13bt]

Probably the THC potentiated the 25I for you. 300-400ug on its own would only be a light +1 for me.

 

[seers_eye]

I'm holding a tab between my gum and upper lip right this moment. I snipped a blotter in half of what should be .5mg 25i, the whole blotter contained 1mg and I'm not sure if it was complexed although I would think it was coming from the source, i could always ask but it doesn't matter either way at this point, the blotter is to be taken as is. From a trusted source but I was advised by someone to only take half to test the waters make sure the dosage seems right, will post back about what I think of the dosage, how it effects me, etc.

about trying to reduce bodyload by preloading, i find 500mg magnesium goes a long way in reducing muscle tension and clenching when i roll so i'll probably try that next time. about the vasoconstriction i don't know of any way i might easily get my hands on vasodilating drugs and i usually trip completely sober, but i know alot of people have a few beers to smoothen the ride, does the vasodilation of the alcohol have any effect in counteracting the constriction of the 25i? or is the only benefit from being a little tipsy?

or does anyone know anything legal and good at vasodilation? I noticed they sell vasodilation supplements to bodybuilders, but then bodybuilders buy all sorts of shit that probably doesnt work.

I don't know of anything specifically for that but if you are that worried about bodyload/vasodilation maybe the dosage should be taken into consideration and just avoid going high with the NBOMe's, use something else for that, or it would also be wise to keep a benzo like ativan on hand in case things start going haywire. Ativan never fails to safely relieve all physical and mental tension when things get heavy, should have saved the 1mg i had last night for today's 25i dose but i'll just tread lightly being my first time.

 

[theUniverse]

Tonight I ate 25 10mg THC extract edibles (edi pures) which is a bit of a high dose for myself, but then decided I wanted to try a lower dose of 25I than what I was used to. Not long after eating the edibles I had about one third of a tab held bucally for 10 minutes and spit it out (by accident, haha!) so decided that was good. Before I had always dosed 1mg tabs for an experience that was very powerful and made communication with others impossible at the peak.

Am at a solid ++/+++ now, I know the edibles have COMPLETELY taken away the vasoconstriction that is normally experienced and this is good. I usually just get a lot of shivering and coldness and jaw clenching but this is very different. I really don't understand why 1mg is the usual starting dose for this drug because 300-400 ug is PLENTY for a visual trip equivalent to a couple of hits of acid. On 1mg I noticed some slight mind fuck but right now there is almost none. Music sounds amazing though and is a very good addition for the visual trip. Listening to an album in 5.1 is a treat.

Really people, cut those tabs into QUARTERS and you'll be more satisfied.

Were your tabs complexed? Why does seemingly no one include more information than ug dosage, its important. 300ug of uncomplexed acetate material would not make me visually hallucinate. 1mg isn't the first timer recomended dose for complexed blotter

Also, have you tested a 300ug dose without the THC? 300ug alone may not have the extreme amount of vasoconstriction you are used to.

 

[weadazoid]

OK so last night the wife and I dropped

I did a full 1mg and she did 700.

and that shit had me off the walll everyone. I would never go higher then 1 mg, surprisingly less vascoconstriction although My wife accurately described the come up as speedy.

we both doesed liquid under the toung measure properly. Held under for 20 she started feeling a roll like come up right after she spit it out as did I.


I got nervous cause I was afraid I had some how done too much as it was WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more intense then 500. I went from a rolling feel to very intense visuals very quickly as did she. Lots of laughing once we got out bearings


so we dropped at 8pm and 8 20 spit come up by 9 full fledged trails and visuals. No fractals as your gen describes what looked more peacock wings spreading breathing on the cieling and walls, found our bearings, and then basically from 9:10 on we were in our bedroom listening to music with candelights and having really mind bending sex. this lasted until 4 in the am....


felt normal enough by 7 am still no sleep though ... looking forward to that tonight..


I fell 100% normal no hangover and odly enough at 1 mg I experienced no vasco negatives like I did with 500ug .... but the body high may have just blurred it into nothing

 

[seers_eye]

OK so last night the wife and I dropped

I did a full 1mg and she did 700.

and that shit had me off the walll everyone. I would never go higher then 1 mg, surprisingly less vascoconstriction although My wife accurately described the come up as speedy.

we both doesed liquid under the toung measure properly. Held under for 20 she started feeling a roll like come up right after she spit it out as did I.


I got nervous cause I was afraid I had some how done too much as it was WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more intense then 500. I went from a rolling feel to very intense visuals very quickly as did she. Lots of laughing once we got out bearings


so we dropped at 8pm and 8 20 spit come up by 9 full fledged trails and visuals. No fractals as your gen describes what looked more peacock wings spreading breathing on the cieling and walls, found our bearings, and then basically from 9:10 on we were in our bedroom listening to music with candelights and having really mind bending sex. this lasted until 4 in the am....


felt normal enough by 7 am still no sleep though ... looking forward to that tonight..


I fell 100% normal no hangover and odly enough at 1 mg I experienced no vasco negatives like I did with 500ug .... but the body high may have just blurred it into nothing

I got nervous too thinking perhaps the blotter i had taken somehow had much more than 1mg on it, i even cut it in half and was wigging for the past 5 hours, this stuff sent me for a ride, last time i did some lsd, chinese needle point, didn't bonk me the way 25i did...good thing i cut that baby in half WOW

at least with the lsd you don't need to worry about od'ing, that's not a worry i like to take along for a trip, and these research chem's like the NBOMe's are incredibly strong and dangerous physically.

 

[weadazoid]

the odd thing is I compare a single 1mg dose to maybe 4 hits of very good LSD. Clean clean clean.... on 500 ug I just felt buzzed off baseline very very mild CEV's no OEV.


My wife could not get over how cool our cieling and walls looked. Frilling moving changing feather like OEV's I couldn't even close my eyes to generate the CEV's cause the OEV's were that cool.... plus the fact that my wife was naked the whole time is also the reason why I didn't shut my eyes .... LOL

even though we have been togeather for 10 years, have had sex on E last night maybe because it had been so long since the last time we had something this good was special


NBOMEs seem to compound on the individuals in a way that blows everything else out of the water this is clearly where the danger lies with kids who don't know what they are getting.

I mean look I got that 10mg sample for free for FREE... that blew my wifes mind that this stuff is that cheep and that easy to get. I mean it's awsome and I hope and pray it doesn't change.

It is really a kind of special something.. with LSD I always felt like CRAP the next day, even worse on E but with this stuff I felt normal.


I think next time I do this .... it will be months away, I want it to be summer time, I want a day trip, I want to feel the warm sunshine on my face. ya know?????


oh and just a personal note all this week I ate alot of foods with Potasium and magnesium. Brown rice bannanas and dark chocolate and other stuff, oatmeal, all good stuff that seemed to keep my feet warm


Diet can help change personal chemistry for the better with this stuff

 

[Sepher]

Yeah, made for summer this stuff. Be lovely out among the greenery. Nice wander outdoors in warm sun under trees with 25I horniness kicking in. Maybe see how much yer missus likes frollicking nekkid in forests come summer if she gets her kit off that quick on NBOMes? Make a day of it? I know I would.

 

[seers_eye]

Well seeing as I stumbled upon a superb source of these nbome's, and being advised by a kindred voice that a tolerance to nbome is sometimes preferred to lessen the rough edges of the whole experience, i will be delving into the 25c blotter tonight. Expect a full blown experience and trip report for those interested in the corresponding threads..

The fear i experienced from the 500ug half blotter of 25i was due in large part to this being a research chemical with vasoconstriction body load tendencies, but the experience would have been mind-bending, it still was, if no fear were present, hence ativans on hand and someone with medical knowledge, a doctor, going to medical school, etc.

 

[weadazoid]

I don't know if you want to push for a tolerance but I am new to this .... perhaps sepher could chime in

um I do have to say elevating the potassium and magnesium seems to help and these are easy non reactive supplements that one could get from a vitamin shop or from natural foods. Like I said leading up to this I consumed large amounts of brown rice and dark chocolate and potatoes and bannanas this week to up the natural levels. My wife is really big on an anti wheat diet so I also consume large amounts of her delicious baked oatmeal. I just read that magnesium relaxes on mentally and physically and calms a fight or flight response which may take the edge off for some of you.....


Sepher... LOL my wife is wild, but I think being outside may be too wild she is not big on people watching or the getting caught aspect of thrills. She is very open and highly sensual though. She is quite attractive and into her prime so to speak sexually at 32.... I am 37 but still highly aroused by even the though of pulling off her thong LOL Both of us are quite fit and we felt like teenagers again but with all the experience of our years.


but yeah it being so cold out right now is kinda a bummer I mean it just kinda penetrates you covers came on and off alot over the course of those blisfull 5 hours.



Everyone is different though, As I said right in the beginning my wife felt speedy... like she was on speedy E she felt happy and euphoric but this did not happen to me I felt dosed and I knew someting powerful was building in me but not speedy. She felt this more in the beginning. this all kinda passed eventually though and she relaxed into the warm and fuzzy... she felt cold and warm at the same time.... but like me never felt the tinly numbness I experienced in my feet the first time


We tried to watch a little TV but that just didn't last which was a good thing because the retreat to the bedroom proved to be a beautiful thing. This is really comparable to a candy flip, but 1mg is kind like 4 hits of LSD and 2 hits of E ..... even if it only lasted about 8 hours

 

[seers_eye]

Good news, i was taking a cal/magnesium supp last night and took some early this afternoon, i'm also a vegan and had bananas and oatmeal for breakfast. Pushing a tolerance is never advised with psychedelic's or any chem's ideally, but seeing as this substance is so new and unique i feel obliged to get a trip report out there on erowid and here asap. Don't get me wrong i'm not going on a binge with this chemical or anything, just need to see what it's all about, last night's taste was more or less an allergy test for my brain and mind. I passed it though and more insight is needed right away as i feel the 25c is offering me something important tonight..

 

[weadazoid]

yeah, I mean just be careful .... I have to pick and choose my opportunities carefully though I am married with kids with a good job that I love



My wife was really curious, as was I seeing that 2 weeks ago I went with 500 ug and was as described just a bit off baseline.


Back to the top of the page with Topmid.... how much was in a drop just out of curiosity.


I do the volume after disolve in Belvy ... 10 ml for 10 mg was the the initial turned out to be 9.5 in the sample after full evap what ever no big deal to me


so once scaled accurately took a .5


now had 9 used 1mg for me and .7mg for my wife


so I have roughtly 7.2 to .3 left about still should scale out properly, and this I will simply hold on to...... well try to hold on to If opportunity came up in a month or two it may be hard to resist, but the idea of not wanting to be cold outside kinda bums me out I love the outside world on a good psychadelic .... My wife was saying how much fun it would be to go out to a club ... could be as long as we had a safe spot to retreat to ... maybe a nice spa hotel in Philly or NYC LOL


well we will see.... again any ideas on a shelf life for this stuff.... from what I read it sounds like it should be good for a year if in HCL and then disolved in Belvy


I have to order more... LOL so be it this stuff is cool and cheep but I don't know what I would do with 50 mg in HCL


weigh it and store it in 10 or 5 mg groups I suppose to reduce risk of mistakes.