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My girlfriend had a brain haemorrhage a couple of months ago. She had a bit of a rough time of it in hospital (vasospasm, hyponatremia and hydrocephalus), but has recovered well and is saying she'd like to do some MDMA over the new year. She's not on any medication other than for pain relief and she doesn't seem to have any residual effects - she gets tired easily and gets headaches sometimes (particularly when she's been on her feet for a few hours), but no obvious neurological or psychological changes. The hospital advised that cocaine and tobacco were dangerous and to be avoided, but didn't say anything about other drugs..

Does anyone have any experience with this scenario? I can find a few papers suggesting MDMA can increase the risk of ICH/SAH by causing transient increases in blood pressure, but since her aneurysm has been treated this seems unlikely. Even so, intuitively it seems like an incredibly dumb/dangerous thing to do, but I'm struggling to think of any concrete dangers/reasons to back this up. She has done MDMA a number of times before, although mostly relatively low doses and not for for a few years now.

Any thoughts? I'm happy to have views either way - either reasons why it's dangerous, or stories to reassure me that we're not going to end up in the hospital again. Thanks in advance!
 
really, this is a bad place to ask this kind of question. you are not going to get clear answers because we are not doctors and taking advice on ancidotal evidence you got from a internet message board is not something you should risk when talking about critical medical issues. my gut says for her to stay away from drugs for a good long while until you are sure that any healing that needs to occur is done before doing any drugs that can have a neurotoxic effect. that coupled with vasoconstriction that MDMA causes could over-tax blood vessles in the brain that are still healing from the illness.

The real person your GF should be asking is her doctor.
 
matt2102 had a really good response. I don't think anybody on this forum could give you a legitimate answer.

As much as I promote MDMA, I cannot at all in-good-spirits say this is a good idea. And honestly, this is your girlfriend - somebody you have affection towards. No information on the internet that even said 100% (with sources) this will be okay would make me think 'It will be okay'.

You should try to get that oxytocin rolling naturally. That is the only advice I can offer.

As horrible as it sounds talking to her doctor would be your safest option, because if anything went wrong it would be hard to live that down.
 
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she gets tired easily and gets headaches sometimes (particularly when she's been on her feet for a few hours)
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Doesn't sound like she's fully recovered to me.

The hospital advised that cocaine and tobacco were dangerous and to be avoided, but didn't say anything about other drugs.
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If a doctor specifically told me to avoid those stimulants, I'd throw my caffeine and MDMA out the window too. Frankly I don't think any doctor will say it's OK for her to take MDMA. It's an illegal drug and just not well studied enough to know what could happen.

intuitively it seems like an incredibly dumb/dangerous thing to do.
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Seems like you have a good intuition. Like matt said, I'd follow this feeling, rather than the part of you that's looking for reassuring answers from the internet.
 
I do welcome you to BL obot but the only answer anyone can give you is dont do it.

It really is unfair to ask anyone this question.

The decision to take MDMA under these circumstances comes at a very great risk.

All I can say is MDMA can cause many unpleasant permanent side effects even to people who were once normal.

Faced with this dilemma I would say there is much more to life than MDMA and taking these kind of unnecessary risks.

The ultimate decision to take such a huge risk lies with your girlfriend no one else.
 
Echoing the above posters' sentiments, we will not aid you in this. It is painfully obvious your girlfriend should not be taking drugs of any kind if she can't even smoke.

There is no way you should be aiding her in this either, tell her no MDMA.

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