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EADDs - Heroin the great debate

Charlie, I had a sneaking suspicion that might well be the case. Don't understand it. Those resistant to methadone or bupe are left to fall through the cracks as far as effective treatment options go. Makes perfect sense to prescribe it:

  • reduces the individual's exposure to illicit sources
  • reduces health risks associated with bad IV practice where injection is supervised
  • improves contact time with those able to offer other psychological / behavioural therapies alongside,
  • improves social functioning / ability to pursue education, employment, etc now time is freed up from sourcing a fix,
  • reduces acquisitive crime to pay for said fix,
  • improves retention on programmes now able to offer the user their drug of choice.
I'm sure it's down to pure politics giving state support to junkies but it really should be a no-brainer, especially for health care professionals in addiction centres. You'd think they at least would be all for it?
 
Part of it's pure politics, with the junkie an easy 'divide and rule' scapegoat for those who gave us the punishment society. Supplementing this is the kind of 'religious' philosophy that tells us suffering is part of the human condition and it's our duty as humans to embrace it. To this perception, the heroin user user is a selfish drug cheat. The ultimate lesson of the staggering anti-heroin propaganda and incessant vilification of heroin users to which we've're subjected is that, really, we remain a very primitive species.
 
Thanks for slicing through several layers of subconscious conditioning in a single, concise eloquent post once again, Charlie.

So much truth and such broader implications too, for those who care to think about it.
 
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The 'British System' of prescribing to addicts goes back to the 1926 Rolleston Report which gave doctors the authority to dispense heroin within limits, the authority could be withdrawn. Prescribing under the British System maintained the small number of known addicts, mostly middle class, quite often doctors, people deemed to be worthy of it and inclined towards compliance till 1968 when it mostly came to an end, though doctors could still be licenced to supply it by the Home Office even after that, just the Home Office wasn't all that inclined to issue the licences.
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I had read in the best drugs book The Pursuit of Oblivion: A Global History of Narcotics the same thing, hence why I said it

Link btw - http://www.amazon.com/Pursuit-Oblivion-Global-History-Narcotics/dp/0393325458
 
Farmaz, thanks for the link. Looks a most interesting read.

Charlie, excellent post, the selfish drug cheat thing especially. I'm bloody miserable, why should those fuckers be allowed pleasures like that on tax payer funds I'm contributing to, fuck 'em very much in evidence I think, yes. 'Cept of course by the time you're seeking help from an addiction unit the pleasures are long gone most often. 8)
 
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Farmaz, thanks for the link. Looks a most interesting read.
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for a real view of the history of drug use it is, 1 of the best I have ever come across.

Goes right from the start of drug use right through history like Harrison marijuana tax act etc up to the "designer drugs" of Shulgin.

I would go as far to say everyone should read it tbh it's that good
 
True, SG, from the laws to discourage their use outwards, just about everything to do with 'drugs' in general and heroin in particular, touches on wider issues.

Just stumbled on an earlier post from mydrugbuddy I must have missed. Bit too long to quote in full but, in reply, while I was taking the rise out of folks who claim to be in withdrawal when they can't fall asleep at will, and you maybe missed the '72 hours between doses' qualification, what you went through was indeed a kick. As you report, you were fine after 3-4 days; this is the argument of those who see no call for opiate prescription and assert all dependents need to come off is a little will power. As every long term user knows, after a time it's a very different story and those who do come off tell of months and years of the kindof weakness you describe. Indeed, one of the stronger arguments for a wider prescribing of heroin is that it would allow a majority of users to get in and out relatively quickly; like their Rolleston predecessors, to find they've had enough when kicking is still not much more than a 4 day affair; under present policies, scripts are only given after all other treatments fail and years on street gear.

Again, you may slightly be a victim of the poor information available on the subject; 90 grams of poppy heads daily is not a baby habit but, in fact, bigger than that of many street heroin shooters and you simply got more bang for your bucks.Whatever, trust you're over it now, and good luck for the future..
 
For me? (havnt read through much of the thread) yeah its a great antidepressant i find, but only for the day, same as any other drug i reckon (though less noticable, its just me, on a reaaaallly good day), but with more nasty and acute wd's and a nicer and more 'fuck it' high in short, and blissfully no comedown until you have a habit going
 
And, yes, Sepher, not just selfish cheats but the ultimate 'users'; if political correctness prevents a 'subhuman' label, certainly not 'clean'. Below the consciousness barrier, blind anathema.

But, as they say, it all comes out in the wash. Cameron to consider a Royal Commission, possibly? In immediate terms, will serve only to extend the cycle but new drug laws will have to come some day.

[edit]You may like to consider, CK, how a depressant may serve so well for anti depressant purpose? Oh,, dem wider issues in our big society.
 
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Aye i (sort of) understand it, sympathize cause without methadone or another strong opiate im a bit of a wreck at the minute, though that might be due to mild wds, but fuck in such a rushed hyped society? how could it not be the perfect escape/coping mechanism for most? especially in these times, like said that was just my experience so far, oh dem wider issues indeedy
 
I'll read this when I have a minute. there is more talk of"the warr on drugs" there was something in a sunday paper today, need to look it up. within the next 20 years there will be changes. i don't see what they problem with giving out diamorphine instead of methadone. they always go on about heroin tolerance going WAY UP. THAT'S ANOTHER OF THE HEROIN MYTHS.
 
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