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mark881

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Clubbing it up on Friday night, I dropped the usual 1x Green Square

All was well, not the usual comeup but I've been having 3-4 week breaks only between MDMA. On this occasion it was a 3 week break.

Somewhat into the roll and I'm dancing away, then I feel a negative feeling and not like dancing. I feel something in my head - if you looked down onto the top of my head, it was 1 inch to the right of my nose and 2 inches backwards from there. If my baseline was 0, I'd say the MDMA put me +30 and this feeling put me around -20. The feeling went away after a few seconds then it came back, then it went away. I had this same feeling post-club in the taxi with the Red Rockstar pill...on that occasion it lasted a good 20minutes - again I felt a chunk of my brain was missing - 1 inch to the right of my nose and 2 inches back. Again it was a -20 feeling if I could quantify it to a numerical figure.

Both the Green Squares and Red Rockstars are definitely a less purified MDMA pill. I've had other much cleaner stuff and it's apparent that the two fore-mentioned pills are in fact 'dirtier' with no doubt more impurities.

So any clues as to what is going on here?
 
Well, the obvious question is.... how often have you been rolling?


If you've been taking MDMA every month without longer breaks at tall, it's likely that your getting low on serotonin. One month isn't long enough for you to keep dosing without consequences, ESPECIALLY if you're not waiting a full month :\

You need to take like a 2-3 month break dude. If you don't and you keep this up, you're going to need more like a 6 months break.





Don't abuse MDMA.
 
I've been doing MDMA with 3-4 week breaks all year, had a 2 week break one time during the summer. Probably done 7 or 8 doses in 2012 of around 200mg or 300mg per trip.

Have a night out end of the month, after that will try to abort for a while, problem is you're kinda dictated to when to go out based on the DJs coming to the city..my 2013 plan is 6 clubbing nights out at 300mg max.
 
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This has happened to me before. I'll be really into my roll and all of a sudden my mood significantly drops, my head starts to feel really warm and I feel like I don't wanna do this anymore. Almost like going into a bad trip while rolling. But this has only happened to me when I rolled by myself, so I prefer not to do that. :\
 
mark881 said:
problem is you're kinda dictated to when to go out based on the DJs coming to the city..my 2013 plan is 6 clubbing nights out at 300mg max.
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You certainly don't have to take MDMA at every show, though. There are tons of other drugs out there that are not so serotonin-heavy and do not require such long breaks in between to remain healthy. It's up to you, really, but it sounds like you're already experiencing negative, lasting side effects and some "loss of magic", and the only way to make the side effects go away and retain the magic of MDMA is to abstain from usage.
 
You should probably wait a longer between breaks. I've had this before though, I think it's to do with the nature of the waves of rushes mdma brings. They become less intense and then you start the comedown.

I've also had it when I take something somebody said the wrong way and I just feel and and annoyed. Then because I'm fucked I forget about it in five minutes and am back on it.

Mdma like most drug experiences is ultimately dependant on your mood and emotions.
 
I agree I have lost the magic. I do need a break. I am happy to take a good few months off, but again, the club events that run dictate my MDMA schedule.

I pretty much have to take MDMA at every techno gathering otherwise it's shit. What other drugs could I take? (that would exclude speed, lsd, alcohol, coke and weed)
 
2C-B, ketamine, GHB, 5-MeO-DiPT, and many other RCs are great party drugs, there is more than just MDMA out there you know!!


My biggest recommendation would be for 2C-B. It's the closest to MDMA, but doesn't release any neurochemicals. Still though, you can't abuse ANY drug weekly. Abuse of ANY drug will lead to complications and unwanted side effects, this is a guarantee.
 
2cb...I hear that is 'I love you man, i love you'. I'm scared of ketamine because it looks so fuckin good, but I need to function in a club. Can't be a mess.

I thought 2cb worked on the same areas as MDMA so doing 2cb then MDMA then 2cb is not going to get away from your tolerance???
 
I really wouldn't recommend 2c-b, I'd much rather K-Hole on the dance floor and/or be unable to walk than have a bad trip. I've done 2c-b at a few EDM nights and it was okay, soon after this I experimented more with it and realised how lucky I was when I dosed at these events.

Ketamine, Ketamine, Ketamine. Superb replacement but try not to let it become to habitual.
 
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I really wouldn't recommend 2c-b, I'd much rather K-Hole on the dance floor and/or be unable to walk than have a bad trip. I've done 2c-b at a few EDM nights and it was okay, soon after this I experimented more with it and realised how lucky I was when I dosed at these events.
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What do you mean you were "lucky"? 2C-B is relatively lucid and controllable, in my experience, and the reports I've read about it seem to say the same. The first time I took it, the friend who had it ended up giving me a pretty large dose (maybe 40-50mg throughout the night) and even that wasn't too difficult to handle. I would never suggest taking that much at a club especially if you had no prior experience, but I wouldn't think 15-30mg would be too much to handle in that environment.

OP, can you elaborate on why your choice of drugs is so limited? I understand not wanting to use psychedelics in a club setting, but why are the other drugs excluded if not just personal preference? Feel free to not answer that as it is your business, I am just curious why you see MDMA as one of the only things you can take.
 
2cb - it sounds trippy, I am NOT a fan of LSD after having a bad trip circa 1992. And it was a fckin very bad one. I can remember it like it was last week.

Ketamine - I watched Drugs Inc on it, it looked awesome for sitting in a room yourself. Does it make you dance? Are you a complete fckin mess? How much do I take and how often do I redose?

I can get top quality 2cb and ketamine...
 
mark881 said:
2cb - it sounds trippy, I am NOT a fan of LSD after having a bad trip circa 1992. And it was a fckin very bad one. I can remember it like it was last week.

Ketamine - I watched Drugs Inc on it, it looked awesome for sitting in a room yourself. Does it make you dance? Are you a complete fckin mess? How much do I take and how often do I redose?

I can get top quality 2cb and ketamine...
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Ketamine is great at raves if you bump it (literally a tiny corner of a card up the nostril). But if you're smashing lines of the stuff you're going to K Hole in the middle of the dancefloor. Can be extremley confusing, especially when combined with MDMA in a setting outside of the home, in my experience.

When you're at home you can go for bigger lines because you know you're not going to spin out.
 
Any idea of dose? I see 16mg recommended. What if I take too low a dose?

I am unsure though for my next outing, because the club I'm going to end of month had a problem with legal highs. A bunch of people got sick. Last week they were kickin anyone out that looked wasted, even if it was just alcohol. They were also shining a torch light into the crowd constantly looking for people off their heads.

Other clubs would be ok for 2cb trial.
 
2after909 said:
probably other users here (or in the PD forum) can say more about this than me. tbh, i only ever got 2c-b in ecstasy pills (which I've known to contain 2c-b through pillreports.com/nowadays i would identify via a reagent test).


if you take too little, you might either notice nothing or just feel slightly off-base (not unsimilar to an MDMA comeup; a bit unpleasant). a low, but above threshold dose will feel quite similar to MDMA in my experience. the effects of 2c-b are more of an up and down, though. you can feel back to baseline at times. i feel you can "control" yourself quite well how much you get into the experience on a low or medium dose.
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I really think you should go with Ketamine instead of 2c-b. When I did 2c-b at clubs/raves I always dosed between 16-22mg, bear in mind that if you do dose wrong and end up consuming to much things will get weird very fast. IF you're planning to drink whatsoever it will simply over-power the 2c-b and you'll hardly notice it, probably only feel the bodyload.
 
Cz_x said:
I really think you should go with Ketamine instead of 2c-b. When I did 2c-b at clubs/raves I always dosed between 16-22mg, bear in mind that if you do dose wrong and end up consuming to much things will get weird very fast. IF you're planning to drink whatsoever it will simply over-power the 2c-b and you'll hardly notice it, probably only feel the bodyload.
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In some occasions it can be the same way with Ketamine though. Consider one does not have a scale and end up taking a whole 100-200mg up the nose, if the quality is of any considerably good sort then that could get very weird imo, wouldn't you think?
 
2after909 said:
I though keta + alcohol is a big no-no? (It's an honest question, as I'm not very experienced with keta. However, I recall getting sick and vomiting on that combination in a club once.)
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Yes, big no no. As not as fatal as mixing alcohol with GHB, still would not recommend it.


And I've found that 2cb can be very nice at moderate doses, other RC's that might be a little bit more readily avaliable considering area could be 4fa, 6apb/5apb and I'm sure a few others. Those are really just the ones that come first to mind if were trying to avoid certain neurochemical releases and what not.
 
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