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Heroin Not Cooking heroin?

Tom Malice

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I completely forgot to cook a shot of h before shooting it, I was wondering what the risks are from not doing it? It doesn't affect potency either does it? I'm not used to prepping my own shots of it (more used to dilaudid where I don't need to).
 
If you live in the USA, your not supposed to cook your shots. By cooking all you are doing is dissolving the cuts, which you don't want to inject. Heroin is VERY water soluble, and doesn't need a heated solution to dissolve it. Just mix with the water, and your good to go. There are LESS risks from not cooking your shots.
 
^ not true there are a couple types of H in the US this is a broad generalization but east coast = no cooking while out west = cooking ... in my experience the worst case scenario from not cooking is less potency
but there shouldnt be health risks
 
I agree with cloudy. I have only used east coast powder heroin and it was never necessary to cook it. If it isn't dissolving, you got some fucked up skag.. Just mix with cold water, filter, *BANG*..

Heating the solution only allows any random cuts to dissolve temporarily, and then recrystalize once the solution cools. Also, as far as bacteria goes, you would need to boil the solution for approximately 20minutes for any significant reduction of bacteria.
 
^ not true there are a couple types of H in the US this is a broad generalization but east coast = no cooking while out west = cooking ... in my experience the worst case scenario from not cooking is less potency
but there shouldnt be health risks

Thats not true at all. I currently get the same shit out west (tar heroin), and you don't need to cook. Its BS that people think they need to. black shit left in the spoon isn't something you want in your veins. You don't want to just plop a huge ball of tar in a spoon, you want to cut it up into multiple pieces, put it in a shot glass with your water, then stir for a little while (may take a little longer than if you cooked, but it is safer on your veins). One its mixed up after a little while, put in your cotton like you usually do and draw up. The shit that is left is just all the nasty tar cuts which you don't want.
 
^ hmmm perhaps i must admit i have much less experience with tar than with the powder you dont have to cook
i dont do it anymore but i always thought i got a stronger shot when i cooked lol guess i was just hurtin myself
 
I'm in Canada, the H i'm getting is a tan powder. So cooking isn't really necessary then?
 
Yeah cooking is unnecessary if you are getting powder all you need to do is add water and then stir it until the heroin dissolves. The reason why they need to cook it on the west coast is because they get black tar heroin which wont easily dissolve just by adding water and stirring it. I'd say you and I are lucky that we get the powder because its much easier to work with.

All you gotta do is add water, stir it, get a piece of cotton from either a cotton ball or a Q-tip, ball it up and put it in the solution. Then draw up your dope through the cotton.

If you don't have cotton balls or Q-tips worst case scenario you can use cigarette filter. This is worst case scenario though and its much preferred to use cotton ball or Q-tip cotton, which are easily available, you probably have one of these in your house somewhere.
 
Alright good to know thanks. I've got all the equipment I need the needle exchange services here are pretty good. Yeah the powder is pretty nice it dissolves extremely quickly, haven't had a problem with it before.
 
Recently in the northwest. The brown is usually stirred up until dissolved and then heat is applied for just a few seconds. All the cut seems to appear and the shots come out looking like ice tea.
 
You really don't need to cook tar and definitely not east coast powder. The thing with tar is that it takes a fucking long time to dissolve, but honestly, it takes a long time regardless of whether you cook it or not. After witnessing how BTH was fucking up my veins, and how difficult it was to suck up the cooked solution, I decided to not use heat, and let the heroin sit for about 30-40 minutes in water. Sure enough it worked much better.
 
The ONLY time you should heat dope is if you have base dope that you want to IV. You add citric acid and heat it up to make it water soluble
 
The ONLY time you should heat dope is if you have base dope that you want to IV. You add citric acid and heat it up to make it water soluble

Which you don't get in the USA (if you do, it is EXTREMELY rare, as the heroin market is pretty laid out that we've come to learn the even with tar, it's the salt of diacetylmorphine and not the base or base w/ caffeine). The whole idea of cooking shoots is so ingrained in our society that many users feel they must do it with out any real reason or understanding to why. Its seen on TV or in movies, as well as on videos like those on youtube that spread this vicious addict myth. It even spreads to web forums by long time users swearing by it. Once they started doing shots for themselves, they noticed that when they cook their shot, they dissolved everything that was dumped in the cooker, which they felt is important. They don't realize that their dope isn't 99% pure or close, and the stuff that isn't dissolved is the cut. Diacetylmorphine is very highly water soluble that, just some agitation will lead to all of the diacetylmorphine to be in the solution. Cooking the solution will only lead to more cuts dissolving due to the heat raising the solubility of these cuts into water, and potentially lead to a break down of the diacetylmorphine leading to other products than it within the solution.

Even with black tar heroin found in half the country you don't need to heat. Yeah, it helps speed up the process, but it also is creating an unhealthier shot. If they just the time to separate the tar into small chunks (say from a .100 balls), throw them into a shot glass with the appropriate amount of liquid, take a simple object like a key or screwdriver and stir the mixture for 3-5 minutes, and then let settle so there is no frothy/foamy surface before tossing in the cotton for filtering. It may take a few minutes longer than desired, but in many ways you are doing yourself a service. You aren't using a spoon that is easily split (seen/heard of this happening many times to the individuals dismay) and that is covered in small cervices from use which is a breading ground for bacteria. A shot glass is more likely to have less scratches on the surfaces, preventing this, and isn't as easily split (makes a good container for stirring as well) With out heat you are also, you aren't allowing all the real nasty shit that makes up the BTH to be dissolved, or at least more than what already is, and not to mention helps prevent putting a hot solution into your veins.

The actual heroin dissolves very quickly in water from BTH, it is the rest of the junk that doesn't. Also, if you are separeting the BTH into little pieces, you increase the surface area of the BTH, letting the actual diacetylmorphine and 6-monoacetylmorphine be dissolved quickly. Stirring the solution with the tiny chinks of tar and water, you will allow all the heroin to dissolve with out letting in all the extra shit like shoe shiner or whatever it is cut with.
 
All I've ever seen or heard of out here in California is black tar. I have NEVER cooked it, it's just not necessary and to do otherwise would be harmful (well, more harmful) to your body. Unless you have crap dope, it all should dissolve. Tar just takes a while, though to speed it up you can just cut it into little pieces or mix rapidly. If you do have bad dope and some of it won't dissolve you don't want to IV that anyway. If it won't dissolve in water, it's NOT heroin. H is 100% water soluble people...
 
^ not true there are a couple types of H in the US this is a broad generalization but east coast = no cooking while out west = cooking ... in my experience the worst case scenario from not cooking is less potency
but there shouldnt be health risks

You don't have to heat black tar heroin to dissolve; that's simply untrue. If you do, it must be poor quality and heavily cut with an insoluble inactive ingredient.
 
im from the east coast,, i cook until disolved (doesnt take long) and i think it hits a little bit harder then doing a cold shot, but hey im just a stupid dopefiend,, my lungs are prolly nice and pilled up from the cuts
 
I'm from the east coast, and I never cook that....but heating black tar makes it dissolve quicker and 99.9 percent of tar users heat it....You don't have to boil it to death, just enough to break it down....I'm all for harm reduction, but this is one thing I have to say that annoys me....
 
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