starting a cycle- have some questions...

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chicasaw

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So here is the tricky part- have I cycled before? Yes, but not in years and I counted on a friend to suggest what to stack back years ago when I did. I am 40 years old and just looking for something with quick results and preferably no needles. I know it sounds ridiculous but I also want to limit liver toxicity, which is probably counter intuitive to taking just orals but nevertheless.

So in sum, looking for a good stack combo, oral cycle for 8-10 weeks to jump start me getting back into better shape. Currently 6'0 about 210 with 15% BF. Any suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks all...
 
I sense impending shit storm...
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chicasaw said:
So here is the tricky part- have I cycled before? Yes, but not in years and I counted on a friend to suggest what to stack back years ago when I did. I am 40 years old and just looking for something with quick results and preferably no needles. I know it sounds ridiculous but I also want to limit liver toxicity, which is probably counter intuitive to taking just orals but nevertheless.

So in sum, looking for a good stack combo, oral cycle for 8-10 weeks to jump start me getting back into better shape. Currently 6'0 about 210 with 15% BF. Any suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks all...
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Cut down to 10% body fat through diet and exercise. By that time you should have a decent foundation to build from. Then you can run some Testosterone Propionate and NPP. No liver toxicity at all and it kicks in quick.
 
What is your reason for cycling? Sports? Purely aesthetic? Can provide you with better answer after you reply.
 
Don't stack for your first cycle in a long time. Stick with 500 mg of test E or C and inject it one cc twice a week. Run for 10-14 weeks, ideally 14. PCT off when your done and eat/train heavy to stick your gains. Don't listen to anyone who tells you that it is necessary to be below 15% bf before running test, they are full of shit and using bro science.
 
ATXtheONE said:
Don't stack for your first cycle in a long time. Stick with 500 mg of test E or C and inject it one cc twice a week. Run for 10-14 weeks, ideally 14. PCT off when your done and eat/train heavy to stick your gains. Don't listen to anyone who tells you that it is necessary to be below 15% bf before running test, they are full of shit and using bro science.
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Sitting with popcorn ready for shit-storm.. lol
 
well you must be using dumb ass science forreal. body fat causes conversion of test to estrogen which is definitely not what you want unless you wanna further your journey of gaining bitch tits. its a progressive cycle of more estrogen-> more aromatase activity-> more bitch tits and other body fat, bloating and all those shitty estrogen side effects. obviously if you aren't close to single digit body fat your diet is fucked up and you wont eat right while on cycle and waste your gear. also more body fat equals higher blood pressure which you don't want on a cycle. lean down, get diet in check, and research. also refer to the stickies. I don't see how someone would even consider cycling without being below 15% (which I consider to be very generous). I diet properly, NO CARDIO, and I got ~12% body fat on the high end.
 
you think everyone who runs gear at the highest levels is below 15% bf? have you ever seen a strongman contest? have you ever seen a powerlifting contest? have you ever seen 75% of PRO bodybuilders/high level NPC athletes in the offseason? yes more fat = more conversion to estro but god forbid you run some aromasin and say goodbye to aromatase enzymes. When it comes to getting big the number one ingredient is food, more is better than not enough.
 
if you're going over 15% obviously your diet is not in check. some distribution of macros is wrong or just plain ol laziness to eat clean. we're not talking about "everyone else" as there are lots of people running cycles in their teens with no experience, piss poor fucking diet of McDonald's, weed, and binge drinking, and of course you got the dumb ass older people who still have this used that "roids get you ripped and huge". why would you wanna follow the fucking cattle and have a subpar cycle, wasting money and straining your body when you can do it right every single time so the ratio of positives to negatives is better? you can cycle at fucking 50% bf for all I care but you only get out what you put in. put in that bit of extra effort, lean down, and watch QUALITY gains be made. also AIs don't stop all aromatase activity. I think the highest is around 85% (pretty high) but if you got a lot of fat still, that 15% that still converts can be a big deal. also progress shows better on a leaner build, the definition shows, the hardness develops, and you don't have that soft rounded look.
 
thanks to everyone who replied. I am going to step up my training to get my body fat down before jumping in. The brown clouds moving in overhead have me concerned of the impending shit storm and my umbrella only repels water.
 
chicasaw said:
thanks to everyone who replied. I am going to step up my training to get my body fat down before jumping in. The brown clouds moving in overhead have me concerned of the impending shit storm and my umbrella only repels water.
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nice description lol. maybe you should be a writer since you seem to evoke decent imagery. :P
 
ATXtheONE said:
you think everyone who runs gear at the highest levels is below 15% bf? have you ever seen a strongman contest? have you ever seen a powerlifting contest? have you ever seen 75% of PRO bodybuilders/high level NPC athletes in the offseason? yes more fat = more conversion to estro but god forbid you run some aromasin and say goodbye to aromatase enzymes. When it comes to getting big the number one ingredient is food, more is better than not enough.
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It doesn't matter. He's never going to compete in a strongman contest. There won't be an offseason for him because he won't be competing in any NPC show either.

He's a normal, average person. And thus, 15% is completely unremarkable and doesn't warrant the use of steroids.
 
There is no worthwhile cycle that doesn't have needles. Except maybe Anavar.

You can take an all oral cycle and life and eat right and put on hella size and strength but as soon as you finish that cycle, even with decent PCT, you will loose all the gains.

I believe the exception to be Anavar. You can do a 12 week cycle of anavar with a Nolva/Clomid PCT at the end and you will put on the decent muscle. Not huge, but good, solid gains with no bloat and you can keep it well after the cycle. Maybe throw some oral Primobolin in for 3 weeks at the end if you can get hold of it. You will have a good, solid shape.
 
Voxide said:
It doesn't matter. He's never going to compete in a strongman contest. There won't be an offseason for him because he won't be competing in any NPC show either.

He's a normal, average person. And thus, 15% is completely unremarkable and doesn't warrant the use of steroids.
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I would disagree with that. If you have been training solid for a 18 months/2 years or more, eating big, not doing a full on dirty bulker but eating big and getting bigger and stronger and then you hit a wall. I think steroids would be valid then even at 15% BF. Ifit was me I would do a Test/Tren Cycle, with a bit of arimidex to keep gyno away and I bet at the end of that he would be huge and less than 15%BF. Tren packs on muscle and burns body fat too so it is a good cycle to do for people with slightly more BF. I think I did mine at 11% body fat and I was about 8% by the time I finished my Test/Tren cycle.

I was in my early 20's though. If you have been training for a long time and hit a wall I think you are OK to do steroids with 15% bf. If you have the right ancillary drugs and PCT drugs. Tren puts you in such an Anabolic state, even in a calorie deficit that you could build muscle and lose fat if you wanted to diet towards the end of the cycle. Plus do some cardio and take some clen. You will be a machine. Remember, as muscle increases your Muscle % raises ergo, your BF % lowers.
 
so you're recommending someone hop on tren who hasn't cycles in years??? that's just outrageous. has he ever used tren before? I go with diet properly and excerise properly to lean down naturally to get the most out of his possible future aas cycles.
 
Serotonin101 said:
so you're recommending someone hop on tren who hasn't cycles in years??? that's just outrageous. has he ever used tren before? I go with diet properly and excerise properly to lean down naturally to get the most out of his possible future aas cycles.
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I am doing nothing of the sort. If I was going to recommend that I would have recommended it. I didn't though. I said, "If it was me I would..."

Look at my post again.

I would disagree with that. If you have been training solid for a 18 months/2 years or more, eating big, not doing a full on dirty bulker but eating big and getting bigger and stronger and then you hit a wall.
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This is clearly not a discussion about the OP as I don't address his training regime or his dilemma at all. It is a hypothetical situation

I think steroids would be valid then even at 15% BF.
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I didn't say they would be valid for the OP. I said they would be valid for the person in the situation I described

Ifit was me I would do a Test/Tren Cycle, with a bit of arimidex to keep gyno away and I bet at the end of that he would be huge and less than 15%BF. Tren packs on muscle and burns body fat too so it is a good cycle to do for people with slightly more BF.
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I say, "if it was me" I was discussing a hypothetical scenario regarding people with 15% body fat. Nowhere in my post do I recommend that he do anything and I don't address his dilemma. I was just disagreeing with the assertion that a person with 15% BF should never do steroids.

I think a lot of time they shouldn't, but I think sometimes they can safely. But again, to refute your statement that I am telling someone to "hop on tren who hasn't cycles in years???" No I am not. I don't think it even looks like I am.

that's just outrageous.
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I agree. It would be. I think tren is a steroid someone shouldn't use until they have quite a few cycles under their belt.

has he ever used tren before?
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I don't know. I don't know him. Ask him.

I go with diet properly and excerise properly to lean down naturally to get the most out of his possible future aas cycles.
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I agree, and if someone was going to do test/deca or test/EQ or any other cycle I would think it was a bad idea with 15% BF. But because tren is anabolic even in a calorie deficit you can lose fat and build muscle on it so I think it is safe to do it as long as the person trains hard.


Don't put made up words into someone's mouth and then accuse them of giving crap advice though. It's hardly fair.
 
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