First time using Molly in almost 2 years (2nd time overall) Need advice

[cbdollar]

Hi,

Some parts are edited due to being answered already below:

I'm sure I can find an answer to this with a deep search into the forum but I wanted to ask this question specifically to the time frame and setting I'll be using the Molly. If someone or a group of different people can answer the questions below it would be a great help and much appreciated!

For new years a friend and I are attending an electronic concert that lasts from 6 pm until 2 am. And then there is an after party from 2am to 6am.

Edit: I weight 170-180 lbs and am 6'1'' and we will probably be getting it in powder form. My friend says 3 grams should be enough and he has a high tolerance

Here are answers that I've read from posts below and entered myself as an answer to the questions below that I originally asked. Please feel free to comment on any of my answers or questions with your own input and opinion.

how much Molly we need to split between the two of us for that night?

Answer: No more than 1 gram about. His tolerance is higher than mine.

and what dose is acceptable for someone who hasn't done it in almost 2 years, along with the fact its only my second time using it overall.

Answer: seems to be about 200-225 mg for me, maybe a little more for him since he has a higher tolerance


and how many times can I redose?

Answer: once around 11:00 - 11:30, The headliner act is probably coming on around 11:00-11:30 so i'd like to peak around then

Is it possible to roll from 6pm - 6 am (12 hours) safely?

Answer: No due to the seratonin levels in the brain, the maximum effect only lasts about 5 hours, any more can cause damage and won't have any more affect on the body

VIA MrMDXX: "You can have a body high for 12 hours but the actual full on face melt we call rolling lasts about 5 hours" (I shortened the quote"


Can I drink alcohol before or after taking it?

Answer: Doesn't seem to be safe at all because it dehydrates the body, stick to water

What is the best way to ingest or take molly for the best length of high/immediate feeling in regard to the situation above?

Oral dose (gel cap)
snorting (powder)
Anal insertion: Just out of curiosity, is this done by gelcap only? How would you do this with powder? Either way I think I will stick to snorting or oral dose, the only time I'd expect something up my bum is if I wen't to prison for child molestation.

Revised schedule from below:

6:00-9:00 walk in concert, maybe have 1-3 drinks (1 an hour) (prob chug a water after each one?) (thoughts on beer or liquor, maybe I won't drink at all from what people say above)
9:30ish- take first hit of 110-120mg
1030-11:00- take second hit of mdma, drink water (50-60mg?, based off the first hit above does this sound accurate?)
11:30- Rolling ma face off, listening to sick music, hydrating with H20
12:00 a.m: Happy New Years
2:00 am- still feeling good, roll is pretty much gone but still have body high
2-6 am- maybe have a few drinks, make sure to hydrate with water
6 am- walk out of concert alive and well, hopefully with a lady friend, maybe smoke some weed back at the hotel...I'm not gonna bring any weed in to risk it, plus i think there will be enough people there with it.

Last question:

I've decided from reading hundreds of posts that the best way to ingest molly is by gel cap or parachuting for a prolonged effect. Does this sound accurate? And What is the best method of doing this with the first and second dose?

In algebraic terms:
a=gel
b = parachute
1= 1st hit
2 = 2nd hit

(1a, 2a) vs (1a, 2b) vs (1b, 2a) vs (1b, 2b) ???

Thanks and special thanks to everyone who's put their opinion and say into this thread. I really appreciate all the help and am glad people care to help one another experience drugs like Molly in the safest way possible

 

[CageKennylz]

It'd be basically impossible to roll for 12 hours. It'll be a lot less fun after about 5 hours. I recommend you drop a dose of about 150mg at 10:30 and another 50-75mg at 11:00. I wouldn't recommend re-dosing again during the night. You'll probably have come down just at the end of the after party.

 

[Mr.MDxx]

Hi, welcome to Bluelight!

Hate to break it to you but you cannot roll for 12 hours, 5-6 hours seems to be all you get out of mdma. This is because it works by flooding your brain with the chemical serotonin which is naturally produced within the brain. Once all your serotonin is used up you will no longer "roll".

For dose wise, I find the average user here doses between 120-150mg (Initial dose), seeing how it's your second time after a 2 year break you would probably be fine with 100-120mg. As for redosing, it is usually unwise to redose due to the increase of negative after effects of the drug and if you wait to long you will only cause damage to your brains serotonin receptors and network. If you are really set on redosing, redose within the hour of your initial dose with about 50% of what your initial dose was.

Alcohol and MDMA do not mix well in my opinion. Drinking while on MDMA will only increase dehydration thus increasing the risk of hypothermia which is never good. Drinking before MDMA is still not the greatest idea in my opinion, last time I did this the night is a complete blur with memory gaps, I imagine you want to remember your night?

If you are really inclined on lasting 12 hours there are other drugs to do after your MDMA wears off, don't just keep redosing trying to chase the high! You will only cause serious damage to your body and brain.

If you haven't already, invest in a test kit! They can be found on dancesafe.org (USA) or eztest.com (EU/Canada) for a reasonable price and can save you from ingesting a number of nasty chemicals!

Lastly be safe and enjoy yourself, PLUR.

 

[futura2012]

Hello cbdollar

Interesting question this will spark debate for sure as the answer you seek will be very opinion based.

In my opinion you cannot roll for 12 hours safely (or at least totally safely). To stay rolling for this period would require some redosing and this in itself is often frowned upon.

If I were faced with the challenge you are faced with I would take:

x2 20mG Aderall XR - 6pm
x1 60mg MDMA - 8pm
x1 40mg MDA - 10pm
x1 60mg MDMA - 10.30pm
x1 80mg MDMA - 2am

The following would be a total of 40mG Aderall (speed), 200mG MDMA and 40mG MDA. This would keep you totally loaded for the 12 hour period and in my opinion is about the absolute max you should consider taking.

Dont do this too often and take a massive long break after this session ie 6 months plus.

If you are sensitive to MDMA etc then keep the ratios approx the same but doses down.

The idea is to peak on the MDA and MDMA during the headliner at approx 11.30.

Looking forward to hearing other views.

 

[futura2012]

It'd be basically impossible to roll for 12 hours. It'll be a lot less fun after about 5 hours.

Hate to break it to you but you cannot roll for 12 hours, 5-6 hours seems to be all you get out of mdma. This is because it works by flooding your brain with the chemical serotonin which is naturally produced within the brain. Once all your serotonin is used up you will no longer "roll".

I dont agree.

I have rolled for 12 hours many times. I am not saying its safe or true HR advice but it is definitely possible.

I have been to numerous raves often starting in the afternoon ending at 6am the following day and been flying throughout the entire rave.

Its not safe, its not HR advice saying you can roll for 12 hours but saying you can only roll for only 5-6 hours is simply not true.

 

[Mr.MDxx]

saying you can only roll for only 5-6 hours is simply not true.

I'm curious, are you talking about the body high going for 12 hours or the full on face melting high that we all call "rolling"? I'm not saying that you are lying but from a scientific point of view after you run out of serotonin in the brain you are left with a speedier high. So theoretically you can be high off mdma for 12 hours yes, but I would not call the last half "rolling".

^Just my opinion.

 

[Mr.MDxx]

What is the best way to ingest or take molly for the best length of high/immediate feeling in regard to the situation above?

What other "enhancements" could I use before beginning my dose of molly at 10:30 11 ish? What specific enhancements would be ok to use before or after the dosage? Note that we will be inside of a venue where smoking marijuana will be difficult once in there, but it is possible to do before

For your first question, I would personally suggest an oral dose with a gel cap. I believe rectal administration is more effective (not sure about it lasting longer) but that's a whole other ball park. For immediate feeling snorting looks to be a good option.

For your second question I hear the following go well during/after mdma:

- Ketamine (during and after)
- 2c-b (about 4 hours in is the best I hear)
- Shrooms (during is always fun!)

^ Those are just a few options, I've only ever done MDMA and Shrooms at the same time personally. I've never touched 2c-b or Ketamine, although I wouldn't mind trying them

 

[cbdollar]

I'm curious, are you talking about the body high going for 12 hours or the full on face melting high that we all call "rolling"? I'm not saying that you are lying but from a scientific point of view after you run out of serotonin in the brain you are left with a speedier high. So theoretically you can be high off mdma for 12 hours yes, but I would not call the last half "rolling".

^Just my opinion.

Ok cool, I also was confusing high with rolling, If I can have the body high for 12 hours I should be good.

 

[Folley]

x2 20mG Aderall XR - 6pm
x1 60mg MDMA - 8pm
x1 40mg MDA - 10pm
x1 60mg MDMA - 10.30pm
x1 80mg MDMA - 2am

There are a few problems with this dosing regimen.

First off, if you take 20mg of adderall before you drop your MDMA, you might not roll AT ALL. MDMA relies very heavily on dopamine as well as serotonin to get you to a quality high, and if you take adderall before hand you will have lowered amounts of dopamine to be released when you roll, causing you to get a lot less of the effects you would want, and more of the ones you DON'T want.


Second, 40mg of adderall is WAY FUCKING TOO MUCH to be mixing with MDMA. That much will TWEAK YOU THE FUCK OUT. You should take 20mg MAX, and even then I would only take 10-15 mg. You don't need much speed at all, it's a powerful chemical and is potentiated greatly by MDMA. Even just a small amount will keep you going for 8 hours when combined with MDMA.


Third, since MDA is longer lasting than MDMA, you want to dose that at the beginning, not the end or middle of your roll. It's a rather rare chemical, you don't want to waste it by taking it as a redose and barely feeling it at all do you?


Forth, since each re-dose greatly increases the neurotoxicity, you want to keep your doses together instead of spread apart like that. The longer you wait from that initial serotonin surge, not only the less high you will get but the more damage that will be done as well... and since you are also mixing it with amphetamine (MDMA and amp combos are EXTREMELY neurotoxic), the damage done already will be quite high and you need to minimize that.





So, what would I do?


Take your 20mg of adderall, 40mg of MDA and 80mg of MDMA at once. This is a 120mg MDxx dose and the addition of the speed will make it feel more like 150+mg

Follow this up with another 80mg dose at 2 hours, and MAYBE another smaller dose after that. I must ask.. no, I implore you, do not take more than one redose. You simply can't ROLL for 12 hours, like futura said, I've taken pills longer than that and stayed high too... but I wasn't rolling. To roll requires serotonin to be released, and after you have taken a fat 150mg dose followed by another 80mg dose, your brain really just don't have any more serotonin to release! To make up for this, it starts to release dopamine free radicals which enter the serotonin terminals, and destroys them.

Re-dosing AND taking amphetamine with MDMA have both been proven to GREATLY increase the number of free-radicals that can cause harm, and it's been shown that the harm gets exponentially worse with every consequent dose.



So again... I IMPLORE you, do not take more than one (two at the absolute most) redoses. You really just need to learn how to enjoy yourself when your roll starts to end, or enjoy yourself for a few hours at the rave before dosing. But if you want to stay up for the entire event, you either need to do speed alone without MDMA or take some LSD... because it's just not going to happen (safely)

 

[Mr.MDxx]

^Very well said Folley

 

[futura2012]

There are a few problems with this dosing regimen.

First off, if you take 20mg of adderall before you drop your MDMA, you might not roll AT ALL. MDMA relies very heavily on dopamine as well as serotonin to get you to a quality high, and if you take adderall before hand you will have lowered amounts of dopamine to be released when you roll, causing you to get a lot less of the effects you would want, and more of the ones you DON'T want.

Second, 40mg of adderall is WAY FUCKING TOO MUCH to be mixing with MDMA. That much will TWEAK YOU THE FUCK OUT. You should take 20mg MAX, and even then I would only take 10-15 mg. You don't need much speed at all, it's a powerful chemical and is potentiated greatly by MDMA. Even just a small amount will keep you going for 8 hours when combined with MDMA.

Third, since MDA is longer lasting than MDMA, you want to dose that at the beginning, not the end or middle of your roll. It's a rather rare chemical, you don't want to waste it by taking it as a redose and barely feeling it at all do you?

Forth, since each re-dose greatly increases the neurotoxicity, you want to keep your doses together instead of spread apart like that. The longer you wait from that initial serotonin surge, not only the less high you will get but the more damage that will be done as well... and since you are also mixing it with amphetamine (MDMA and amp combos are EXTREMELY neurotoxic), the damage done already will be quite high and you need to minimize that.

Oh I have so missed my debating buddy

Oh dear there is one big thing you have missed in this statement and that being aderall XR. Maximum plasma level is reached in 7 hours so if you take at 6pm you are going to be peaking at 1am. Way past your ecstasy peak for main act at 11.30pm.

Aderall as you have rightly pointed out is effectively speed. Its theraputic dose is 20mG so claiming 40mG is going to tweak you out is nonsense.

Source:
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2007/021303s015lbl.pdf

Claiming that if you came up on speed before MDMA and as a result nulling the roll is also nonsense. Many oldskool pills and some modern ones contain a mixture of speed and MDMA and if you take one of these things you can very often feel the speed come up before the MDMA. This claim is totally not true. Yes speed effects dopamine but tried and tested for years and I am 100% certain coming up on speed before MDMA will not destroy a roll.

Third claiming MDA is longer lasting than MDMA is total nonsense.

Source PIHKAL. Mr Shulgin himself

MDA 80-160mG 4-6 hours duration
MDMA 80-150mG 4-6 hours duration

Forth the OP has asked for a 12 hour sustained buzz. I am not saying this is totally safe. I am not saying taking any drugs for highs for that matter are safe. However, I do question why you critisize me for suggesting a redose then suggesting one yourself.

As I put in my original statement:

If you are sensitive to MDMA etc then keep the ratios approx the same but doses down.

So I am assuming this is your alternative plan?

20mG Aderall (assuming quick release) 6pm
40mG MDA 6pm
80mG MDMA 6pm
80mG MDMA 8pm
and if all else fails take some LSD? Any dose suggestions?

Re-dosing AND taking amphetamine with MDMA have both been proven to GREATLY increase the number of free-radicals that can cause harm, and it's been shown that the harm gets exponentially worse with every consequent dose.

What source is this claim based upon??

^Very well said Folley

I beg to differ.

I'm curious, are you talking about the body high going for 12 hours or the full on face melting high that we all call "rolling"? I'm not saying that you are lying but from a scientific point of view after you run out of serotonin in the brain you are left with a speedier high. So theoretically you can be high off mdma for 12 hours yes, but I would not call the last half "rolling".

^Just my opinion.

Fair point. I guess we will have to throw this to the OP and ask him what he means by rolling for 12 hours?? Without a proper definition as Mr MD points out we cannot give a true answer.

For your first question, I would personally suggest an oral dose with a gel cap. I believe rectal administration is more effective (not sure about it lasting longer) but that's a whole other ball park. For immediate feeling snorting looks to be a good option.

If you want stuff to last longer an XR cap of some description will suffice. The XR caps enter the lower part of the stomach and are slower release. I wouldnt personally like the snorting idea but everyone to their own.

 

[Folley]

Oh dear there is one big thing you have missed in this statement and that being aderall XR. Maximum plasma level is reached in 7 hours so if you take at 6pm you are going to be peaking at 1am. Way past your ecstasy peak for main act at 11.30pm.

I did NOT miss this. Saying you will be peaking on adderall after 7 hours is straight retarded bro lmao, anyone that has taken it knows this is not true. PLUS, you don't want to be peaking on the adderall. You want to be peaking on MDMA with the adderall as a small energy boost and to help the duration, so it really wouldn't matter if you "peak" on the amphetamine that late. In fact, it would be better, because it would keep you higher for longer.

OP, would you rather be peaking on the adderall at the same time as the MDMA, or have a consistent speed effect throughout the entire show?

Aderall as you have rightly pointed out is effectively speed. Its theraputic dose is 20mG so claiming 40mG is going to tweak you out is nonsense.

Therapeutic dose for WHO? Some people have to take 60mg of amphetamine, that's because of tolerance. Speed is GREATLY potentiated by MDMA, like I said, so that original 20mg will feel like a LOT more.

40mg is MUCH too much speed, I can say this from personal experience with adderall and MDMA. Anymore than 15mg of speed kills my roll with speedy side effects, not a good thing.

Claiming that if you came up on speed before MDMA and as a result nulling the roll is also nonsense. Many oldskool pills and some modern ones contain a mixture of speed and MDMA and if you take one of these things you can very often feel the speed come up before the MDMA. This claim is totally not true. Yes speed effects dopamine but tried and tested for years and I am 100% certain coming up on speed before MDMA will not destroy a roll.

You contradict yourself. You say taking speed before MDMA is OK, then use MDMA and speed taken at the same time as your example for why this is OK. Again, from personal experience I can tell you that you WILL NOT roll as hard if you take amphetamine before the MDMA. Take them at the same time.

Third claiming MDA is longer lasting than MDMA is total nonsense.

Don't really care what Shulgin has to say about the matter. He is often wrong, unfortunately. He really doesn't know much about neurochemicals at all... he is a chemist, not a scientist. No real studies on MDMA had been done when he did all his research on it, so he didn't even know the SIMPLEST shit, like that MDMA releases serotonin.

MDA Duration
Oral
Total Duration
4 - 8 hrs
Onset
20 - 90 mins
Coming Up
5 - 20 mins
Plateau
2 - 4 hrs
Coming Down
2 - 4 hrs

MDMA Duration
Total Duration
3 - 5 hrs
Onset
20 - 90 mins
Coming Up
5 - 20 mins
Plateau
2 - 3 hrs
Coming Down
1 - 2 hrs

Erowid and just about everyone who has taken MDA has to disagree with you. Seems like your off by about 3 hours.

Forth the OP has asked for a 12 hour sustained buzz. I am not saying this is totally safe. I am not saying taking any drugs for highs for that matter are safe. However, I do question why you critisize me for suggesting a redose then suggesting one yourself.

Because redosing 4 times through out a night is MUCH worse for you than redosing ONCE. Duh lmao. That's why I put such emphasis on not taking more than ONE redose, as I did earlier.

What source is this claim based upon??

I don't have the time to go searching for something I know exists... but I'll find something.
Binge effects of MDMA
Amphetamine increases amount of free radicals in the brain

I beg to differ.

No need to be a dick It was a good post.

 

[cbdollar]

So I am really ecstatic that everyone is giving me these answers with such detailed information and effort. To note on the discussion above, I will not be able to find MDA before hand, so throw that out of the mix. The schedule is something I definitely asked for and I did ask what other drugs would help enhance the experience. With that said, I'd like to shorten the list of drugs down and also the time limit. Lets take out the first 2 hours and last 2 hours and make it an 8 hour experience now. I can live sober or on alcohol for that period of time. I also want to note that the ticket I have has access to a bathroom and my own bar where I can access water, alcohol etc.. pretty freely without lines.. i paid a little extra for it haha

Aderall RX is findable, but I'm not sure I want to mix that with the MDMA and risk it on a $200 nye concert experience (Ya I know I went all out this year, but it happens once a year haha) But I'm still open to hear how it could factor into the night. If you could though list what you would do with the adderal and how that could change if you didn't have that or the MDA.

So let me list the drugs I have available to me for the night:

MDMA
Adderal (but I'd rather not use it, as i have a low tolerance to that and MDMA)
Weed
Alcohol

With those listed, in an 8 hour timeframe (say 8pm-4am), how would you do things. And to clarify, I'm not looking to be rolling the ENTIRE time, but rather just maximize the roll during the best part of the concert. I had no clue how long the roll and high lasts or even that there was a difference at the beginning of this thread. I've learned alot in the last 6 hours and just gotta say regardless of the disagreements (which I think have been healthy ones so far) thankyou again and if there's any way you could reanswer what i have above then please do so.

 

[futura2012]

I did NOT miss this. Saying you will be peaking on adderall after 7 hours is straight retarded bro lmao, anyone that has taken it knows this is not true.

This is a graph drawn up by the manufacturer

I could be wrong but assuming this graph to read 7 hours peak is certainly not retarded as you claim.

PLUS, you don't want to be peaking on the adderall. You want to be peaking on MDMA with the adderall as a small energy boost and to help the duration, so it really wouldn't matter if you "peak" on the amphetamine that late. In fact, it would be better, because it would keep you higher for longer.

Let the OP listen to the different opinions and let him decide. This is your opinion not gospel knowledge.

OP, would you rather be peaking on the adderall at the same time as the MDMA, or have a consistent speed effect throughout the entire show?

Some more input from the OP at this point would be good.

You contradict yourself. You say taking speed before MDMA is OK, then use MDMA and speed taken at the same time as your example for why this is OK. Again, from personal experience I can tell you that you WILL NOT roll as hard if you take amphetamine before the MDMA. Take them at the same time.

If you take a pill with speed in it then you will come up on the speed before the MDMA. That is the point. Coming up on the speed first never nulled any roll I had. I often found the speed and MDMA compliment one another. Your personal experience may be different but this does not make your dosing suggestions correct and mine wrong.

Don't really care what Shulgin has to say about the matter. He is often wrong, unfortunately. He really doesn't know much about neurochemicals at all... he is a chemist, not a scientist. No real studies on MDMA had been done when he did all his research on it, so he didn't even know the SIMPLEST shit, like that MDMA releases serotonin.

You might not care but you are certainly wrong here about Shulgin he is by no means a simple man as you suggest. Very very poor judgement here.

Erowid and just about everyone who has taken MDA has to disagree with you. Seems like your off by about 3 hours.

Sources please. No source no argument.

I don't have the time to go searching for something I know exists... but I'll find something.
Binge effects of MDMA
Amphetamine increases amount of free radicals in the brain

Sounds like a bluff no source no argument. I am not equating either document to your original claim:

Re-dosing AND taking amphetamine with MDMA have both been proven to GREATLY increase the number of free-radicals that can cause harm, and it's been shown that the harm gets exponentially worse with every consequent dose.

No need to be a dick It was a good post.

Begging to differ is not being a dick. Calling someone a dick however, scuse the pun is being a dick :D

 

[Folley]

Personally, I'd probably drop the adderall all together... maybe if you could find some pure amphetamine, but adderall is a very "dirty" version of it that's not so suited to abuse, especially not with MDMA. The Levo-amphetamine in it causes almost entirely side effects, while dextro-amphetamine (street speed, not meth) is the one that gives you the good ones.

I find mixing amphetamines with MDMA takes away a lot of the love from the experience, leaving you with more of a speedy self centered type of high... I used to really like the combo in my E Tard days, but now that I consider myself more of an "MDMA connoisseur" I want to experience the love effects for all they are worth.



Alcohol would be OK after the roll if that's your thing, but before the roll might dumb it down or dampen the experience, as well as keeping you from remembering it...

Weed doesn't really matter, smoke as much as you want any time lol. Might want to take it easy before you roll though, if your too stoned when you drop it can dampen the effects.





I really recommend you try and find some LSD, it lasts a good 12 hours at the least. 2C-B is another great option, as you can take that 4 hours after the MDMA and it would be even BETTER than taking the two at once. Any psychedelic would be good though as you can take them spread apart from the MDMA without risking additional neurotoxicity.


Just remember a great night out isn't worth brain damage when you can have just as great of a night without the risk if you just keep your use to a moderate level.








I recommend a 150mg dose (maybe a bit lower if you are sensitive, 130mg would be good for smaller people) followed by an 80-100mg redose only if you want to. Nothing more than that though, and I personally wouldn't take less (I might skip the redose though)

 

[futura2012]

So I am really ecstatic that everyone is giving me these answers with such detailed information and effort. To note on the discussion above, I will not be able to find MDA before hand, so throw that out of the mix. The schedule is something I definitely asked for and I did ask what other drugs would help enhance the experience. With that said, I'd like to shorten the list of drugs down and also the time limit. Lets take out the first 2 hours and last 2 hours and make it an 8 hour experience now. I can live sober or on alcohol for that period of time. I also want to note that the ticket I have has access to a bathroom and my own bar where I can access water, alcohol etc.. pretty freely without lines.. i paid a little extra for it haha

Aderall RX is findable, but I'm not sure I want to mix that with the MDMA and risk it on a $200 nye concert experience (Ya I know I went all out this year, but it happens once a year haha) But I'm still open to hear how it could factor into the night. If you could though list what you would do with the adderal and how that could change if you didn't have that or the MDA.

So let me list the drugs I have available to me for the night:

MDMA
Adderal (but I'd rather not use it, as i have a low tolerance to that and MDMA)
Weed
Alcohol

With those listed, in an 8 hour timeframe (say 8pm-4am), how would you do things. And to clarify, I'm not looking to be rolling the ENTIRE time, but rather just maximize the roll during the best part of the concert. I had no clue how long the roll and high lasts or even that there was a difference at the beginning of this thread. I've learned alot in the last 6 hours and just gotta say regardless of the disagreements (which I think have been healthy ones so far) thankyou again and if there's any way you could reanswer what i have above then please do so.

Shulgin claims a 150mG dose of MDMA to last 6 hours. So if we operate around this time frame.

If you dont like aderall in the mix then I would suggest a 100mG initial dose with a redose of 50mG 2 hours later.

Axe the alcohol alltogether and smoke the weed towards the end of the session.

In my opinion this is a much safer road than trying to peak over a 12 hour period.

You could also consider a very low dose of aderall. Perhaps 5-10mG of quick release to sustain the roll slightly but pick and choose as required. Some people like speed with MDMA others dont. If you are 50/50 then only take small dose.

Hope this info and little debate has helped.

 

[Folley]

If you take a pill with speed in it then you will come up on the speed before the MDMA. That is the point. Coming up on the speed first never nulled any roll I had. I often found the speed and MDMA compliment one another. Your personal experience may be different but this does not make your dosing suggestions correct and mine wrong.

So because speed *maybe* comes on say, 10 minutes faster, that means you can take speed 2 hours before MDMA without a problem? I cannot follow that.

and I didn't say your dosing regimen was WRONG, only that it was unnecessarily damaging and would NOT get you the most out of those substances. Taking a small 60mg redose would probably get you nothing after you have already take speed, then a high dose of MDMA, then another dose of MDMA.. then you want him to take ANOTHER dose after ANOTHER dose?
You can think that's a good idea man...

You might not care but you are certainly wrong here about Shulgin he is by no means a simple man as you suggest. Very very poor judgement here.

I never said he was simple!!!!!! He is an EXTREMELY intelligent man. BUT, when he made those statements, he didn't know what we knew now. Both him and his wife abused MDMA quite frequently, Ann wrote a paper about how she was taking it every week for "creativity".

Sources please. No source no argument.

I provided sources. You can find the same exact chart on Erowid's MDMA and MDA pages respectively.

Sounds like a bluff no source no argument. I am not equating either document to your original claim:

The second study DIRECTLY relates to what I said, are you kidding? The first one, maybe not, but I found it in a minute and can't be bothered to find a good one. Don't want to believe me? Oh well lol




Sorry OP, nothing in here has to do with you..... we just like to debate

 

[Dmytry]

i would start with a little bit of 2c-b, 4 hours later dose some 6-apb (really long lasting roll and the 2c-b before hand removes some of the psychedelic aspects), and maybe finish the night with some coke and some vallium or etizolam

 

[cbdollar]

Hey guys no worry on the debate, that's how humans have evolved to where we are. I think debating is a great way to learn new information and a humbling experience to accept when you may be wrong. So far I haven't seen anything cut throat or Troll-like. But since I saw Shulgin mentioned I'm curious to ask this question: If I want to read more about psychedelics from the best of the best.. who would that be.. Shulgin, Mckenna etccc???? I'm probably also able to find this out by searching other threads but it seems like you guys know what you're talking about.

Also here is what I think I'll do:


The MDMA will be snorted most likely. (maybe rub a bit on gums? not sure if this matters) I'm too weary to stick anything in my bum, but I'm aware that its probably the most effective way. And I'm predicting that the stuff we get is powder form (like 99% positive its gonna be powder)

6:00-8:00 walk in concert, maybe have 1 or 2 drinks (prob chug a water after each one?) (thoughts on beer or liquor, maybe I won't drink at all from what people say above)
8:20ish- take first hit of 110-120mg
930-10:00- take second hit of mdma, drink water (50-60mg?, based off the first hit above does this sound accurate?)
11:30- Rolling ma face off, listening to sick music, hydrating with H20
2:00 am- still feeling good, maybe starting to come down, drinking water still
2-6 am- maybe have a few drinks, make sure to hydrate with water
6 am- walk out of concert alive and well, hopefully with a lady friend, maybe smoke some weed back at the hotel...I'm not gonna bring any weed in to risk it, plus i think there will be enough people there with it.

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Critique or change with your suggestions

 

[Dmytry]

snorting mdma will cause your roll to be shorter and more speedy. and you may be too tired to stay up the whole night if you dose at 8:20ish. maybe try dosing later, like 10 or 11, and have some caffeine to start the night. besides, the better music always comes on later in the night. dont waste your peak during an opening act (unless theyre the ones you really want to see the most). keep in mind, the mdma peak is no more than 3-4 hours