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IV Heroin & Methamphetamine Speedballs (No Rush?)

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epiks

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First off, I've been doing dope off and on (mostly on) for about 7 years now. I know what good dope is and what bad dope is. Its not bunk shit. Here is just ONE example of how I know:

If I load up a shot of around 100-150mg of methamphetamine (0.1 - 0.15) I can an insane cold tingling rush especially in my chest. I get a chemical taste in my mouth, if the dope is good enough or I do a little extra I cough once or twice right as the rush comes on. My pupils get HUGE.

Plus I've been tweaking for years so I know its pretty good quality. But quailty is sorta besides the point here really...The real point is, I get a fat ass rush from IV'ing 100-150mg.

And just as I explained the whole "i know the diff between good/bad dope" in the beginning of this post, I will go ahead and answer the net question some of you will ask. How do I prepare my shots. Generally I either crush the shards, place them in a spoon and at 10-20 units of water. Sometimes I'll leave them as shards, add water, wait 30 secs then make sure its all smashed/dissolved by pressing down on the shit with my plunger. If I'm in a rush or on the go on rare occasions I'll do a cold shake but I don't like to as I feel like it dirty. (no filter)

Now as for the heroin...the stuff I have right now is absolute FIRE. I used to do 0.18 - 0.22 shots 3x daily. Granted my tolerance is much lower now, I still only need 1 shot of about a .1 the entire day. Mostly because I have meth to help me not think about doing more heroin and binging on it, raising my tolerance. But also, because as I said, its some straight fire. I've tried two other types and I need almost double the dose.

So both drugs...at very minimum good to great quality (at least for my area, not dick sizing at all. I'm sure 95% of you get better dope than I Do) and both drugs...give me a massive rush.

Now here is the problem..Whenever I do a speedball (don't worry, I don't cook the dope then immediately add the meth - I let it cool :P ) Its pretty self-explanatory but im giving as much info as possible in case im doing something wrong in order to get help with this problem!

So I prep my H shot like every other day, either by breaking it into tiny pieces and adding it to water until it dissolves. Or I'll cook it depending on the tar it is. I know some of you will drop dead in your chairs thinking "YOU HEAT YOUR DOPE?!?" but in my 7 years of using I've never met anyone who does not cook their shots. And we are just talking heating it, holding the lighter pretty damn far away. So it heats rather than cooks or boils.

OK so dope shot is ready...time to let it cool and prep the meth.

So now with a different spoon, syringe and filter..I mix the shards with water until dissolved. I then still wait awhile longer just to make sure the heroin has cooled, I've heard its sorta like coke. That heat can ruin it.

So then I suck up the meth solution into the heroin syringe and I'm ready for lift off. I pull the plunger back as little as possible so it doesn't fill up with a bunch of blood. I read online somewhere and heard several ppl say that blood kills the meth just as something like heat from a lighter would. Not sure if there is truth to that or not. Anyways, I make sure I'm in then plunger down. And yes, I'm not stupid, I'm not missing.

I sit and anxiously wait..within 10 seconds or so I feel different...high I guess..no rush of any sort. I feel pretty good Iguess. But I would have been 10x higher and got a FAT ass rush from each drug if I'd done them separate.

As far as amounts when 'balling. I've tried my normal dosage as listed above. I've tried cutting the amount of heroin in half in case it was overpowering or something idk i really was just testing different methods. Especially since (at least with coke) ppl always say do less H.

So whats wrong here? Do I need to do more of BOTH? That doesn't seem like the right move..Should I try a teeny bit more meth and do half the amount of H again? That way hopefully I'll get the meth rush then the calming effect of the heroin?

I'm tired of wasting shit! Anyone got any suggestions?? Also does blood really kill the meth? For example if I only had 10 or absolute max 20 units of meth mixture then 30 units of blood entered in would it affect anything ? What about when I'm testing out new shit and only push half of it in to start, since im safe. And if that was a good enough shot i still have half the syringe filled with the drug + blood. If I saved it in the fridge or wherever that part is irrelevant. Would the blood destroy the drug? Or is that just a silly myth?

EDIT: The more and more I read online I see people are saying only h+coke speedballs work(at least as far as the rush i seek goes) something about synergy? And the problem with a meth speedball is its super overpowering like heroin can be so whichever you do more of will overpower the other rather than mix nicely. Like if I did same size shots as normal some other sites said they just got the meth high and a little bit more relaxed or not as "bugged" from the dope. But no actual gnarly heroin rush on top of the ice rush. That seems to be happening with me. Must be the case...Sad.


Also-- Completely unrelated, a buddy of mine got some shards today and he thought they were low quality so he gave them to me for free since I shoot and he only smokes (didnt get him high enough, wasn't worth it he said) I just did a fat shot (probably just under .2) 2hrs ago maybe 2.5 and I was super high for like 45mins then slowly came down until now, a couple hours later now I Can't even stop yawning. Its not supposed to be like that! Wtf is going on! Also these shards were all very small (not like the fat shards i would personally get) and some of the pieces had a tint of brown on it. Could it be some research chem or something?

 
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Meth and dope, IMO, mix very well together, but shooting them at the same time has never given me a "speedball" rush like H and coke....
even shooting good coke and east coast dope, you have to get the mixture just right to get that mindblowing rush....
I happened to be in Seattle mixing H and meth in 2006-'07 and I think the the Seattle tar stands up to ECP.....

You might try, smoking a big hit of meth and then quickly doing a pre-prepped shot of H while you're holding it in....

It's making me sick just thinking about it!
 
Well, I haven't been to Seattle in 5 years, but I thought it was pretty damn good, and cheap! The meth I was getting at that time was pretty weak compared to a lot I've had...I think it all depends on who you know, but the seattle tar definitely rivalled the Cali stuff, who knows why, it's much further north....
 
Both heroin and meth have become MUCH stronger quality and even cheaper in the past 5 years. We also have like 4 different types of tar (3 shitty kinds and 1 good - which you can only get thru numbers), so unless you know the right people, your opinion of Seattle heroin would be pretty low.

We have some blue shards going around the area and they are insane! Anyways back on topic fools!! Haha :)

What I've been doing is 1 shot of heroin every day or two for the past week after almost a month of not using. I broke my meth pipe and can't get a new one for like a week (lonnnng story) so I've been IVing it non-stop all day. This particular batch surprisingly isn't that good. ACtually I think its same good quality, my tolerance just skyrocketed. I used to only have to shoot like MAYBE a .1 if that...once...twice a day at absolute max and id be fuckin twakked the entire time. NEver eat, sleep or drink.

Now I shoot up twice that, about a .2 and I do it about 4 times a day. The last shot I did was a few hrs ago and it was big enough of a shot to make me start to worry. I was super high for about 5-10mins then mild but def still high for about an hour, maybe hour and a half now I feel straighter then ever and its hardly been 2hrs...During hour 1 and 2 I ate a full turkey dinner with ice cream and I actually just took nap. I guess my body is getting accustomed to the meth again. Things have never been so depressing or been so sad in my entire life these past few days. And I've been thru some shit...But thats the reason for relapsing on heroin after a month (luckily i got it under control to where its not every day and never more than 1 shot) however my meth use has at the very last quadrupled.
 
I'm tired of wasting shit! Anyone got any suggestions?? Also does blood really kill the meth? For example if I only had 10 or absolute max 20 units of meth mixture then 30 units of blood entered in would it affect anything ? What about when I'm testing out new shit and only push half of it in to start, since im safe. And if that was a good enough shot i still have half the syringe filled with the drug + blood. If I saved it in the fridge or wherever that part is irrelevant. Would the blood destroy the drug? Or is that just a silly myth?
Blood entering the syringe is not going to degrade/inactivate the meth, that makes no sense. So there is no need to try to register the tiniest amount of blood possible. But storing a syringe filled with blood and drugs for later use is a bad idea however. Even if you keep it in the fridge, that blood is likely going to be clotting and therefore clogging up the needle, bacteria can grow, it's just not a good idea to be injecting your old blood back into yourself. Even leaving a non blood-filled syringe for a long period of time is not the best idea when you aren't using sterile drug/equipment/prep procedures (although I have to admit I've done it). Why not just try to prep smaller shots and then it's not enough you could quickly make up another one or something?

EDIT: The more and more I read online I see people are saying only h+coke speedballs work(at least as far as the rush i seek goes) something about synergy? And the problem with a meth speedball is its super overpowering like heroin can be so whichever you do more of will overpower the other rather than mix nicely. Like if I did same size shots as normal some other sites said they just got the meth high and a little bit more relaxed or not as "bugged" from the dope. But no actual gnarly heroin rush on top of the ice rush. That seems to be happening with me. Must be the case...Sad.
Yeah, I would just do the heroin and meth separately.

Also-- Completely unrelated, a buddy of mine got some shards today and he thought they were low quality so he gave them to me for free since I shoot and he only smokes (didnt get him high enough, wasn't worth it he said) I just did a fat shot (probably just under .2) 2hrs ago maybe 2.5 and I was super high for like 45mins then slowly came down until now, a couple hours later now I Can't even stop yawning. Its not supposed to be like that! Wtf is going on! Also these shards were all very small (not like the fat shards i would personally get) and some of the pieces had a tint of brown on it. Could it be some research chem or something?
We're really not supposed to speculate on stuff like that, it's impossible for us to know what was in your meth.
 
Well... I don't have much of a background in shooting crystal.. I've done it a few times but always found the rush to IV coke preferable. But when shooting regular speedballs.. If the rush wasn't what I wanted, either I didn't feel enough of the coke and or the dope.. I would just.. readjust my mixture.. Hah. Sometimes I needed more coke, sometimes I needed more dope, it all depends on how much of a "smack you in the face" rush you want. (and I usually wanted a huge one) So I wouldn't be stingy on the coke because I knew I'd be super disappointed if I didn't get that bellringer.

But, the key is to not add too much more too fast.. When dealing with IV coke or meth.. it's very easy to get out of hand and the amounts required to OD and get that awesome rush are very close together..
 
Meth and heroin just doesn't have the synergy of a coke and heroin, the speedball, when used in the same shot. I've tried in the past, numerous times. Just seems like one peaks over the other, every time. I'd personally just save each for their own shot. Much more prominent rush on their own. Never found "the spaceball" worthwhile.
 
Swim hasn't done heroin in so long because the heroin around here is garbage. Swim has been rx'ed opana IRs which are way better than heroin in swim's opinion but 6 months ago swim got the doc to scribe ritalin because I have heard good things about it. Needless to say IV opana and ritalin together is one of the best shots swims ever done. I know that amphetamines don't synergize but there is something going on with these two together, its also wierd that when swim tried to mix IV opana and coke the coke ended up overtaking the opana making swim unable to feel it, but IV opana and meth are really close to IV opana and ritalin so maybe it depends on which opioid swiy uses.
 
Swim hasn't done heroin in so long because the heroin around here is garbage. Swim has been rx'ed opana IRs which are way better than heroin in swim's opinion but 6 months ago swim got the doc to scribe ritalin because I have heard good things about it. Needless to say IV opana and ritalin together is one of the best shots swims ever done. I know that amphetamines don't synergize but there is something going on with these two together, its also wierd that when swim tried to mix IV opana and coke the coke ended up overtaking the opana making swim unable to feel it, but IV opana and meth are really close to IV opana and ritalin so maybe it depends on which opioid swiy uses.

We don't use SWIM here, mate. Check out the BLUA for more details but from now on, just say "I" if you're talking about yourself.
 
^Not to mention, there's a lot of other problems with what you posted that just screams "I have no idea what I'm talking about"....."SWIM" just makes it even more annoying"...

BL is loaded with very intelligent, knowledgeable, experienced people who are great at answering the legitimate questions posted. You'd think that somebody who didn't quite have their facts straight would be intimidated, but nope! Everyday, I come across things that are just so off it makes me cringe! IV Ritalin....Oof....
 
^Not to mention, there's a lot of other problems with what you posted that just screams "I have no idea what I'm talking about"....."SWIM" just makes it even more annoying"...

BL is loaded with very intelligent, knowledgeable, experienced people who are great at answering the legitimate questions posted. You'd think that somebody who didn't quite have their facts straight would be intimidated, but nope! Everyday, I come across things that are just so off it makes me cringe! IV Ritalin....Oof....

Hah, yeah. I've seen a few IV ritalin posts recently and I just have to roll my eyes every time.
 
^Apparently there's people who swear by it!

That right there is the downside of legalizing syringes! Some 12 yr old watches basketball diaries and then goes to the drug store and buys a pack of rigs to try and shoot Ritalin and God knows what else!

IVing drugs is not glamorous....fundamentally, it can a pretty nasty thing....It's all blood, guts and bodily fluid....I don't think most girls find it very attractive!
 
This is a bump of an older thread and I didn't detect any questions being asked, just statements made. As the aim of BDD is to answer questions for the sake of harm reduction I'm going to close this. PM any queries.
 
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