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Is it just me or is there something to this?....

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mikeritchie30

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I've had waves of euphoria and itchiness come over me days after I've taken opiates. At the time I wasn't on anything. I heard cocaine can suddenly kick in again even years after you last used. Is it just me or is this true of opiates too?
 
Years sounds like a stretch, unless it's just due to conditioning (like you do/see/smell something that reminds you of the drug it can trigger a mild drug-like reaction in your brain).

As for feeling like opiates are causing effects days later, that is not abnormal. Basically drugs can stay in your body for a while, for how long depends on the drug and the person, and then certain things that increase the release of the drug from your fat cells, increase the absorption, or increase the metabolization into active metabolites, can cause these little amounts that are left in your body to enter your bloodstream and cause effects. Some things that might cause this could be exercise, heat, certain foods, etc.

Then the other reason that this can happen is due to conditioning, like I mentioned above, where it is really just a brain simulation of the drug's effects due to your surroundings or things that (even subconsciously) reminds you of the drug.
 
I wish I would just become sporadically high on opiates... hah. I've never really heard of that happening, with the coke either.. the only feelings that could linger for days or come up are the negative ones like headaches and shit but.. even that.. Yes, the drugs are still in your system technically even after a few days... but not at levels active enough to cause any actual euphoric sensation.. But, if that's the case with you.. sounds awesome. Hah.
 
laCster said:
...or you could be experiencing placebo


good post swimming!
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Thanks! :)

Placebo is when you take a drug/pill/treatment which is actually doing nothing but you believe to work, so you actually feel subjective effects from it - the brain is very powerful. I think it would only be considered placebo if the person was doing/taking something that they thought would make them feel high. Conditioning is where one stimulus, comes to signal the occurrence of a second stimulus. For example, someone thinks about the drug and feels a drug-like effect, or smells something that smells like the drug and feels a drug-like effect.

It's hard to know how much/how long this can be caused by real physical amounts of the drug left in your system. Even if/when it's just conditioning or some other brain-originating effect, it doesn't make it any less real, and if it's enjoyable and not triggering then it's all good :)

mr.scagnattie said:
Yes, the drugs are still in your system technically even after a few days... but not at levels active enough to cause any actual euphoric sensation..
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Depends on the drug, the ROA, the person, and whether or not they are doing anything that increases the absorption/metabolization. It's actually pretty common for someone to feel like they aren't high anymore and then, hours or even days later they, say, go in a sauna, for example, and suddenly start feeling the drug again. Drugs can remain in your tissues/fat cells for a long time (how long/how much depends on the specific drug and person) and certain things can increase the mobilization of these remaining amounts of drugs from the fat/tissues into the bloodstream and therefore the brain. This has been studied: one example.
 
If I get fiending for meth really hard and then listen to EDM it will sometime make me have to take a shit...like one I would take from after taking a huge rip off a pipe...gross I know...but just my contribution lmao...

conditioning as swimming stated...
 
I used to be able to get a bit of a dopamine buzz just thinking about coke or meth back in the day when cravings where bad. Apparently tests have proven dopamine is noticeably increased during times like this in the brain. Is this correct?
 
I forget the high from IV Heroin SOOOO much that I must take it to find out. (I took it yesterday). It's when I see blood drawing into a needle.
 
blight12 said:
I used to be able to get a bit of a dopamine buzz just thinking about coke or meth back in the day when cravings where bad. Apparently tests have proven dopamine is noticeably increased during times like this in the brain. Is this correct?
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Yes it's true. There have been tests where someone who is/has been addicted to a drug, say, watches a video of someone using the drug and their brain activity changes. This is a form of conditioning. One example is studies that show dopamine increase in certain parts of the brain when someone with cocaine addiction watched a video of someone using cocaine [source]. They found the people with the strongest cravings had the largest dopamine increase. Another study found changes in the blood flow in the brain when people withdrawn from cocaine watched videos about cocaine [source].
 
That sort of happened to me the other day and I was wondering what it was! I was perfectly sober and just started half-nodding. Nothing near as powerful as what I got when actually on opiates obviously but still, it was pretty cool.
Swimmingdancer's answers make sense though.
 
Swimmingdancer said:
Yes it's true. There have been tests where someone who is/has been addicted to a drug, say, watches a video of someone using the drug and their brain activity changes. This is a form of conditioning. One example is studies that show dopamine increase in certain parts of the brain when someone with cocaine addiction watched a video of someone using cocaine [source]. They found the people with the strongest cravings had the largest dopamine increase. Another study found changes in the blood flow in the brain when people withdrawn from cocaine watched videos about cocaine [source].
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I think it was Elton John (I know, weird reference but bear with me) who said that when he was a full-on coke user he could walk into a big room full of people and 'smell' straight away if anyone was high. Conditioning does amazing things - especially if attached to craving.

:)
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Swimmingdancer said:
Yes it's true. There have been tests where someone who is/has been addicted to a drug, say, watches a video of someone using the drug and their brain activity changes. This is a form of conditioning. One example is studies that show dopamine increase in certain parts of the brain when someone with cocaine addiction watched a video of someone using cocaine [source]. They found the people with the strongest cravings had the largest dopamine increase. Another study found changes in the blood flow in the brain when people withdrawn from cocaine watched videos about cocaine [source].
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Awesome thanks! Yeah i always used to feel high already just thinking about stims or busy arranging them. If you try to push down this feeling it gets very uncomfortable and you feel shit like coming down off the drug so you then need to go organize just to feel normal again. How these evil cravings work to feed your addiction. So glad i dont get this anymore and still have no idea why. One day it just stopped and i was saved.
 
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