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Jimmy Savile (aka: paedo speculation megathread)

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Mailmonkey said:
Its all a bit grey innit, just cos someone is 16, doesn't mean it's open season....I don't think anyway...

I don't see a problem with a 14 year old girl having sex with her 15, 16 year old boyfriend...even a couple of 12-13 year olds, if they are being safe and willing...

But at some point the age difference makes it wrong..like a 24 year old man with a 16 year old girl? A 22 year old man with a 14 year old girl? A 36 year old man with a 17 year old girl?

It's not something you can legislate against in any concrete way, but children do need some protection...

I'm glad I don't have to make these decisions.

My wife works with youth homelessness, and she has a number of 16-24 year old clients, males, who are on the sex offenders register. Often wrongly (not wrongly in the eyes of the law, but morally. This is fucking up their lives and their prospects of ever gettng their lives sorted.

Saville was one of the wrong 'uns though, without a doubt.
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Quite right. And all the posts pointing out that cultural norms have changed make a good point too. And before anybody starts, I am not defending Savile; not in the slightest.

I made a post somewhere in this thread that detailed my own first sexual experiences, which were with an adolescent girl when I was under six years old. At this time, the word 'paedophile' didn't exist in the media; there was such a thing as 'interfering with kids' but little else. There wasn't much discussion of the post in question; maybe because it raised some difficult questions. Or maybe because it didn't fit the 'paedo' bogeyman stereotype. Or maybe it just wasn't interesting.

For the record, I don't think the girl in question really knew what she was doing, though she was over twice my age. As it was, once my parents found out, a few words were exchanged and I never stayed at her house again.

Had it happened nowadays, however, her actions would have been viewed in an entirely different light and she'd have been on the Sex Offenders' Register. Despite the fact that I can hoestly say (nearly thirty years later) I'm not at all traumatised by what went on. Though it's not a particularly fond memory either.

It was fairly common 20 years ago for boys of around sixteen or even slightly older to have girlfriends who were slightly under sixteen. Nowadays there are many people who would see that as on a par with the disgusting activities of the likes of Savile. Which (to my mind) it really isn't.
 
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Ismene said:
And why would you wait 40 years before you reported it?
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This has been covered before, but it often takes the death of the perpetrator(s) for victims to feel confident enough to come forward.

Without wanting to get too personal, it was only the recent death of a (very) close relative of mine that brought the a few skeletons of that nature out of the cupboard; stuff that would turn most people's stomachs, yet had been kept quiet for decades.

Ironically the people who were directly affected were the only ones who still felt any kind of loyalty or affection towards this person. It often works like that, especially when the abuser is adept at manipulating their victims (as is more often than not the case).
 
^ a good friend of mind was abused/interfered with by a family member...it was only after his death that she told me about it...we were talking about the savile business the other week and she said yes we all know what savile looks like so they need to stop printing pictures of him because that will traumatise the victims more...
 
When I was six or seven, a 9 year old girl offered to show me her 'money box' if I showed her my tackle. I pulled down my shorts as requested but when it was time to reciprocate she laughed and told me to fuck off or she'd bash me. When I told the adults, they also laughed, told me the girl played the same trick on all the lads and I'd know better next time. Nowadays, I'd probably be rushed to the trauma suite and my tormentor could expect a trip to the cop shop and years of 'counselling'.


As S G says, times change.
 
pinkpapaver said:
we all know what savile looks like so they need to stop printing pictures of him because that will traumatise the victims more...
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They should print this picture instead.

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Now then...
 
knockando said:
Rape me once, shame on you. Rape me twice, shame on me.

Something like that issy? It has a ring to it.
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I think it's a little more than that in this situation tho knock - if you're raped in two different locations where you can't get help then that's fair enough. But if you're raped twice at the same building - the HQ of the BBC that is packed with thousands of people - I think most 18 year olds would be big enough to fight off Rigsby. Or at least hold him at bay long enough to shout for help. Or even the option I'd probably choose - avoid the place.

I may be wrong - perhaps he was a very small 18 year old and Rigsby was too big for him. Perhaps he was so desperate for the money that he felt a second anal rape was a risk he was willing to take.
 
SamhainGrim said:
This has been covered before, but it often takes the death of the perpetrator(s) for victims to feel confident enough to come forward.
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It might just be the saville stuff that has somehow prompted him to come forward - Leonard died in about 1984. Maybe the press wern't interested then.
 
Ismene said:
I think it's a little more than that in this situation tho knock - if you're raped in two different locations where you can't get help then that's fair enough. But if you're raped twice at the same building - the HQ of the BBC that is packed with thousands of people - I think most 18 year olds would be big enough to fight off Rigsby. Or at least hold him at bay long enough to shout for help. Or even the option I'd probably choose - avoid the place.

I may be wrong - perhaps he was a very small 18 year old and Rigsby was too big for him. Perhaps he was so desperate for the money that he felt a second anal rape was a risk he was willing to take.
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Sorry Ismene but that shows a real lack of understanding of the complex scenario that can be rape.

I'm no expert.

But assigning blame to the victim cos they didn't fight back or ended up in the situation? Pffft.
 
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