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What should I do? Anti-depressants just don't work for me.

BrokenPromise

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I've been on Valium on and off for a couple years for SA and GAD, the psychiatrist won't give me anymore and is now giving me all these anti-depressants. I've tried Zoloft, Prozac, Paxil and I've been given a couple more that I've been too scared to try them. Within an hour or 2 of taking the medications my brain feels fried, feels very similar to coming down from too much MDMA, it feels like my brain is drained, I get extremely anxious and paranoid, sometimes nauseous and I turn off my phone because I struggle to talk and sleeping is impossible. I've been telling the doctor my symptoms and he just says it will go away in a few weeks but I can't even bring myself to taking a 2nd dose let alone weeks of the stuff, it's absolute hell and I'm wasting a lot of money. I've done plenty of drugs, legal and illegal and these are up there with the worse drugs I've ever had.

The only anti-depressant that hasn't had negative effects was Remeron but I was on it for months and it did nothing for my anxiety. Anyway now my doctor has given up on me and said there is nothing else he can give me and to go see my psychiatrist. Problem is the psychiatrist is too expensive and last time all he did was prescribe me some new SSRI which gives me the exact same effects and I don't want to pay $400 just to get scripted another crappy anti-depressant.

I don't want to be on meds forever but right now I need something to get me through the next few months as they're going to be really tough. I've also lost all motivation for study and getting a job.
 
Have you tried non prescription serotonergic anti depressant supplements like 5HTP or St. Johns Wort? They work in a similar way that SSRIs do but they are natural and OTC so they often go overlooked. They can work better than script meds, curb your depression with realistic efficacy, and will not give you fried-brain effects. Don't take them in combo though, that will be messing around with your serotonin too much.

For anxiety you can mix in Kava and Valerian. A combo of say, St. John's Wort, Kava, and Valerian will definitely make a difference in anxiety and depression. They won't give you brick wall effects like benzos or opiates obviously, but they are worth trying especially if script anti d's don't work for you and your doctor isn't helping you out with benzos anymore.

IMO the prescription anti-depressives are poison. Mother Nature has you covered.
 
I would actually see benzodiazepine use, in this scenario, from what I know of your struggles in mental health indicated by this post, to be a decent option, for a few reasons. One reason is that you have been on and off Valium for a couple of years you said, which, unless it was involuntary to come off, suggests you are not too predisposed to being sucked into a full-fledged benzo addiction, but always be careful of that in any event. Another thing - you seem to know it will be the next few months that will be hardest, and require a bit more therapy via medication. So, a few months on a benzo can be fairly manageable, IF you do not become addicted (you will become dependent, it just works that way), and IF you discontinue the benzos very cautiously with a long taper, probably using Valium, so that you will not suffer wd symptoms, nor will you be forced back into life without benzos so quickly after a few months on them which could lead to issues. A short period of modest-dose benzo use could be quite helpful for you - you seem to know what works and what does not in what you have tried so far. If Valium has worked in the past, I'd go with Valium again - it is a good benzo, classic in all ways, and when dosed around-the-clock will lead to a steady level of Valium in your blood, and a steady exertion of its effect (no peaks and valleys). Another benzo that I think CAN be very good for some, depending on symptoms and other variables I am still unsure of, is Klonopin (clonazepam). It is very potent, and a very good anti-panic benzo. It has a pretty long half-life, itself, and the duration of action is quite long, too. Again, if you take it around-the-clock, you can get to a steady level of effect. I should also mention that very much like Valium are benzos like Librium (chlordiazepoxide) and Tranxene (clorazepate), and would serve, potentially very well at equipotent doses to Valium if Valium has helped in the past.

One anti-depressant class I think could be beneficial for you, based on this anxiety and insomnia along side it, is the class of TCA's (tricyclic anti-depressants). I would suggest starting at a low dose, for they are fairly dangerous compared to some other anti-depressants, and have more side-effects, but can be effective at low doses for a lot of symptoms. I'd go with a more sedating one like Elavil (amitriptyline) or even Sinequan (doxepin), which is VERY sedating. The thing I see that could benefit you with these is the fact that they are sedating, and the sedating effect wears off after usually a few months or so of use, so you would still be able to get that benefit. Also, they tend to have a bit of a quicker onset in therapeutic action than SSRI's like Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox, Lexapro, or Celexa. TCA's act on a number of different chemicals within the brain, and produce a different sort of effect than an SSRI - they have some anti-psychotic properties, and anticholinergic properties, and anti-histaminergic properties, as well as effects on serotonin and norepinephrine. More dangerous? Yes. More side-effects? Yes. Think they might be better than an SSRI for you? Yes. Just something to consider, and if you do start on one, insist on starting on a LOW dose.

Desyrel (trazodone) could also, possibly, help you. It is an SRA, releasing serotonin and not really working on preventing its reuptake, making it unlike the SSRI's in mechanism of action. It is fairly sedating, too, and is often used in those with anxiety disorders and sleep disorders. It is another possibility, I can think of now.

Remeron might be worth another shot, though - at a lower dose or a higher dose, depending on what dose you were on before and how it affected you.

A LOW dose of Ultram (tramadol) might be of benefit to use as an anti-depressant, if you respond to it well, and haven't got a history of any seizures. It is, however, notorious for creating bad dependence, and is addictive due to the opioid action, primarily due to the metabolite, o-desmethyltramadol. It works on serotonin and norepinephrine, too, so it has some classical anti-depressant benefits with the opioid-effect boost. I don't see a doctor scripting you this for depression or anxiety, but I am just saying it could help. It is, however, known to create nasty dependence with a nasty set of wd's. And, it is addictive. I don't know if it would be the smartest idea to even go there, but I am just sort of throwing out ideas, here. Do keep the dose very low, though, as low as possible, and if you like, more frequent re-dosing of a lower dose could be of potentially more benefit. It is a dangerous drug, too, with the risk of seizures increased (lowers the seizure threshold), and is addictive, and has nasty wd's. But, initially it can serve as a good anti-depressant.

Just be careful, and make sure you don't have any health conditions that would not allow you to take a certain drug safely, and make sure you are not combining different anti-depressants - potentially very dangerous. I'd suggest psychotherapy, too, whatever the drug outcome may be, for if it will be a hard couple of months, you may need a bit of impartial support along the way. Even self-therapeutic techniques like expressing oneself through art or hobbies or whatever is great. Learn basic stress management skills - practice relaxation and meditation, and such. This can very well help those suffering these types of ails.
 
I would find a new doctor and a new psychiatrist.

And I would consider a more holistic approach (meaning one that takes into account all physical, emotional, mental, social and environmental factors in your health, seeing you as a whole person) and look into integrative medicine, natural and "alternative" therapies, non-drug therapies, etc. Anxiety can respond well to things like cognitive behavioural therapy, other types of therapy/counseling, supplements, yoga, meditation etc. Even if you're going to try to mask your anxiety with drugs, (which often doesn't work for very long and can leave you with long-term side effects, dependence, and worse anxiety or depression than before) it is really helpful to use non-drug treatments at the same time. Please let me know if you want more detailed tips or supplement/herb suggestions (Crashing suggested some good ones above).
 
Thanks for all the advice guys.

I've been seeing a therapist and it hasn't really helped but maybe I need to shop around. I'm all for trying herbs and supplements, Valerian offers me some relief but I find myself taking 4-5x the recommended dose. Kava is illegal here, 5-HTP and St Johns Wort didn't seem to do anything but I guess they're more common for depression then anxiety and I strongly believe all my psychological problems stem from anxiety and not depression. I'd definitely prefer something OTC that I can take when I need it and not have to pop a pill everyday. If you know of any herbs or supplements that work like this please let me know.
 
Yes, I would shop around for doctors/psychiatrists/therapists. They are definitely not all equal.

As far as I understand kava is not actually "illegal" per se in the UK, it's just not currently allowed to be sold for human consumption within the country. I am pretty sure you can still order it online (or purchase it from the ocassional store that doesn't care about the ban or circumvents it). I live in Canada and we have a similar situation here. But I do understand if you feel like it's too much hassle.

Another one I would recommend is L-Lysine. It's a natural amino acid and studies have shown it to be similar in action to barbiturates or benzos. It doesn't work instantly, so it's not suitable for taking at the onset of a panic attack or something, but it does have noticeable effects within an hour or two. Try 500mg and raise dose if needed. It's fine to take more valerian than the suggested dose on the bottle, in fact my doctors say that with most supplements you may need to take a dose greater than so-called "recommended" dose (though this is not safe to do with all vitamins/minerals/supplements, so check beforehand, one example off the top of my head is that you don't want to take too much iron). A GABA supplement may help with anxiety too. Same with L-Theanine, an amino acid extracted from green tea. Another herb you could try is Passionflower or Passiflora incarnate, it's been used a long time as a folk remedy for anxiety, although not everyone tolerates it well so YMMV. A lot of people also find certain essential oils helpful, applied to the skin. Oils like rose, neroli, sandalwood, ylang-ylang, bergamot, geranium, jasmine, or lavender. It may seem unlikely but I do actually find them to help.

There are some things that you should be taking all the time:
- A B Vitamin complex, like a B-100.
- A good multivitamin.
- Minerals such as zinc, calcium, magnesium, potassium, and selenium. Take a lot of magnesium and calcium.
- Omega3s or fish oil.
- Amino acids.
 
I suffered with depression around 10 years ago and I tried several different anti-depressants none of which really worked for me.
I read that exercise was supposed to help alleviate depression so I thought I may as well give it a try.
I started off by going out for an hour, I would walk for 10minutes then run for 10mins.
I carried on doing that until my fitness levels had improved a bit. I then joined a gym and I started going to circuit training twice a week after work. As I got fitter I really noticed how much better i was feeling.
I was feeling so much happier,fitter and a lot more confidence in myself.
I never took any more pills from the doctor I just carried on doing plenty of exercise and for me that really did cure my depression.
 
Aww damn that fucking sucks. I hate when doctors try to give you antidepressants. I went in for a stomach infection one time and the punk bitch wrote a prescription for the infection, PLUS Fluoxetine! I even told the pharmacist and she said the doc is an idiot...

Anyways, you got to find out what works for you because most antidepressants (SSRIs) work on the Serotonin, and very unnatturally
So maybe try other things like phenibut? Kratom? Kava? Tyrosine? DLPA? Theres others but you get the point..You can see what works for you and then alternate, with kratom and phenibut because they are the only ones from that list that can cause dependency.

But most importantly, are you exercising, eating healthy? Gluten sensitivity? (i recently read about how alot of ppl with Social Anxiety have that) Because if your body isnt as healthy as it should be, and your mind is all fogged up, what do you think adding drugs to the mix will do?
Good luck, and PM me if you need some info
 
Aww damn that fucking sucks. I hate when doctors try to give you antidepressants. I went in for a stomach infection one time and the punk bitch wrote a prescription for the infection, PLUS Fluoxetine! I even told the pharmacist and she said the doc is an idiot...

That is a bad use of antidepressants and a very bad antidepressant anyway. Now talk to the people like me who's life was saved by Nardil totally reversing Major Depressive Disorder for the other side of the fence. Nardil is an MAOI though, and unlike SSRIs they actually have this tendency of working
 
That is a bad use of antidepressants and a very bad antidepressant anyway. Now talk to the people like me who's life was saved by Nardil totally reversing Major Depressive Disorder for the other side of the fence. Nardil is an MAOI though, and unlike SSRIs they actually have this tendency of working

Yea from what ive read, and personal experience, I think SSRIs suck compared to something like Wellbutrin. Or in your case Nardil ;)
Ive never been prescribed any but ppl would just give them out to me lol
So is Nardil for you basically "the one" that works for you? You know how people are constantly on the lookout for that magic bullet =D

P.S. that SOB doctor had the nerve to ask me if i saw things or heard things...The punk asked me if I had scizophrenia! What a bitch that guy was...besides being a useless question since schizos cant tell whats real and whats in their mind (or so i remember reading that)
 
Yea from what ive read, and personal experience, I think SSRIs suck compared to something like Wellbutrin. Or in your case Nardil ;)
Ive never been prescribed any but ppl would just give them out to me lol
So is Nardil for you basically "the one" that works for you? You know how people are constantly on the lookout for that magic bullet =D

P.S. that SOB doctor had the nerve to ask me if i saw things or heard things...The punk asked me if I had scizophrenia! What a bitch that guy was...besides being a useless question since schizos cant tell whats real and whats in their mind (or so i remember reading that)

It's not just me! Look up the reviews of antidepressants, no one has the almost universally amazing reviews Nardil does. Sure, sometimes the side effects can be harsh and you can't eat certain foods, but I was winning to trade that in exchange for mostly getting rid of my atypical depression and oblitherating, yes, oblitherating my social anxiety. Problem is most doctors will not offer nardil until a LOT of other things have been tried but generally if you're pushy and ask about it along with sounding like you know the dangers they'll give it to you, according to personal experience and forums. Nardil is the most powerful antidepressant still available and I'd rather risk horrid side effects for a 80-90% success rate than slightly less horrid side effects for the 45-50% success rate of SSRIs. You'll be hard pressed to find a report of someone stopping it due to it being ineffective, most are just due to the side effects being intolerable. But hey, they tried. I can honestly say I'd rather risk deadly, gruesome (like, worse than nardil could be) side effects than need to live another day being depressed. Severe depression (mine was atypical, so sleeping 16 hours a day and nonstop eating plus being 10x more sensitive to rejection) is torture if you just try to be normal and overcome it, and is slightly less of a torture to just shut down and not leave your room except for food all day. It's not something some exercise and vitamins could have gotten me through. I'd still be on Nardil to this day, but, I'm not depressed anymore so I take adderall/vyvanse for my ADHD.

And all doctors ask you if you've seen or heard things. That's standard protocol, they ask everybody that stuff. But yeah, Nardil is not something they'll try without you asking unless your depression/social anxiety was to the extreme mine was and without trying a lot of other things first. You need to ask and if they say no, be persistent, if they continue saying no, find a new doctor.

I'd recommend you read a bit about schizophrenia, you're pretty horribly misinformed about it. What you're describing is severe untreated cases of one type of schizophrenia. It's like saying all people with a cough have lung cancer :P
 
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It's not just me! Look up the reviews of antidepressants, no one has the almost universally amazing reviews Nardil does. Sure, sometimes the side effects can be harsh and you can't eat certain foods, but I was winning to trade that in exchange for mostly getting rid of my atypical depression and oblitherating, yes, oblitherating my social anxiety. Problem is most doctors will not offer nardil until a LOT of other things have been tried but generally if you're pushy and ask about it along with sounding like you know the dangers they'll give it to you, according to personal experience and forums. Nardil is the most powerful antidepressant still available and I'd rather risk horrid side effects for a 80-90% success rate than slightly less horrid side effects for the 45-50% success rate of SSRIs. You'll be hard pressed to find a report of someone stopping it due to it being ineffective, most are just due to the side effects being intolerable. But hey, they tried. I can honestly say I'd rather risk deadly, gruesome (like, worse than nardil could be) side effects than need to live another day being depressed. Severe depression (mine was atypical, so sleeping 16 hours a day and nonstop eating plus being 10x more sensitive to rejection) is torture if you just try to be normal and overcome it, and is slightly less of a torture to just shut down and not leave your room except for food all day. It's not something some exercise and vitamins could have gotten me through. I'd still be on Nardil to this day, but, I'm not depressed anymore so I take adderall/vyvanse for my ADHD.

And all doctors ask you if you've seen or heard things. That's standard protocol, they ask everybody that stuff. But yeah, Nardil is not something they'll try without you asking unless your depression/social anxiety was to the extreme mine was and without trying a lot of other things first. You need to ask and if they say no, be persistent, if they continue saying no, find a new doctor.

I'd recommend you read a bit about schizophrenia, you're pretty horribly misinformed about it. What you're describing is severe untreated cases of one type of schizophrenia. It's like saying all people with a cough have lung cancer :P

I still stand by my original thought...He's a SOB, just the way he asked me shit
But yea I never really wanted to get an antidepressant especially because i had opiates in my life and still do...I know a good share of info of SA especially because I know first hand what it feels like. But its wierd, Im not really worried about what people think of me or scared of saying things, its more that i dont like being around some people that much because alot of people dont understand what im saying or the way i think and my speech is good(And i still get anxious??). Only people i know that can have an intelligent conversation and arent brainwashed by facebook/twitter/jersey shore etc.

But idk if its because of all the withdrawals ive been through thats just traumatized me or if ive always been like that. And it doesnt happen all the time but most days...

Yea i get you i may be misinformed cuz like i said, "(or so i remember reading that)" but right now i have no need to learn about schizophrenia lol
But i know there will be a day where something will lead to another and ill be researching schizophrenia again lol

Thats crazy tho it OBLITERATED your SA? Did you tell the ppl at the SA forum? That site is almost turning into a drug forum haha

P.s. Tramadol is what has always worked for me even 50-100mg will do me good and keep my head on straight

Glad your out of that hell though, because just like people who judge addicts, People who havent been through SA dont know how it literally is hell on earth
 
I still stand by my original thought...He's a SOB, just the way he asked me shit
But yea I never really wanted to get an antidepressant especially because i had opiates in my life and still do...I know a good share of info of SA especially because I know first hand what it feels like. But its wierd, Im not really worried about what people think of me or scared of saying things, its more that i dont like being around some people that much because alot of people dont understand what im saying or the way i think and my speech is good(And i still get anxious??). Only people i know that can have an intelligent conversation and arent brainwashed by facebook/twitter/jersey shore etc.

But idk if its because of all the withdrawals ive been through thats just traumatized me or if ive always been like that. And it doesnt happen all the time but most days...

Yea i get you i may be misinformed cuz like i said, "(or so i remember reading that)" but right now i have no need to learn about schizophrenia lol
But i know there will be a day where something will lead to another and ill be researching schizophrenia again lol

Thats crazy tho it OBLITERATED your SA? Did you tell the ppl at the SA forum? That site is almost turning into a drug forum haha

P.s. Tramadol is what has always worked for me even 50-100mg will do me good and keep my head on straight

Glad your out of that hell though, because just like people who judge addicts, People who havent been through SA dont know how it literally is hell on earth

Nowadays I use stimulants to get over my SA. It doesn't totally get rid of it like Nardil did but a recreational dose of stimulants makes me stop doubting myself so much and makes me normal. I'm pretty badly addicted to 2-FMA and 4-FA, the vyvanse and adderall script help during the times without it though. 2-FMA is exactly like d-amphetamine with a little less euphoria, 4-FA is like milder d-amphetamine with a little bit of MDMA feeling mixed in. I have an atypical reaction to stimulants though. I get the same euphoria everybody else does but I can still be high on them in public without the outward "tweaky" symptoms of shakyness, fast talking, and etc. I basically get no negative effects from them at all until I need to go a day without them, which is rare thanks to the adderall/vyvanse even when I don't have any 4-FA/2-FMA. I also don't get comedowns except after 4 day binges. To other people, I just look like I'm in a good mood. (I'm guessing the fact I go so well with stimulants is because I actually do have a very bad form of ADHD, what my doctor calls one of the extreme he's seen.)

I also notice most meth addiction storys that end up as life-ruining are the meth smokers. I only use them orally, I've smoked 2-FMA a few times and decided to not go down that destructive path people stronger than me never returned from :P I'll have two or three "parties" a month where I'll buy 5g of either chemical and stay awake for 4-5 days. Then for the rest of the month I'll just stick with the vyvanse/adderall to keep the horrific withdrawals away.

Honestly, I don't ever plan on stopping using stimulants for fun, even if it becomes less frequent when I'm older, I'm not kidding myself. There's no "I'll stop someday", there's "I won't stop until they stop being incredibly fun and helpful.". I'm content seeing as both chemicals are relatively cheap. There's lots of addicts like me who you'd never ever guess they were addicted unless they told you. It's the addicts who are more outward about it such as daily meth smokers that give all addicts a bad name. My dad is a percocet addict but you'd never guess he did any drugs if you looked at him, his life, and etc. He has no plans on stopping either.

As for the SA now, it's a lot better with stimulants as I said but it's still there somewhat, and I could never forget what it was like. I may be in the "hell" of addiction, but it won't truly become a hell unless I let it.
 
But its wierd, Im not really worried about what people think of me or scared of saying things, its more that i dont like being around some people that much because alot of people dont understand what im saying or the way i think and my speech is good ... Only people i know that can have an intelligent conversation and arent brainwashed by facebook/twitter/jersey shore etc.
That sounds perfectly normal and healthy to me!
 
That sounds perfectly normal and healthy to me!

:) I guess I should be SEARCHING for people that arent brainwashed ha

@JackiesBabyy - Yea Mostly the bad effects of stimulants come from the activities associated (or not associated with it) with it. Like not sleeping, eating, brushing teeth etc. Not to mention the psychological damage. But you take a therapeutic dose right? Besides the 5 days where you "party" ha but like you said "I won't stop until they stop being incredibly fun and helpful." I think you should (for harm reductions sake) not do those 5 day parties, just because something can happen that will NOT let you enjoy them or get the therapeutic effects anymore! :\
But anyways im sure you researched everything already, just a friendly reminder because i would hate to find out the thing that works for you doesnt someday...

And yea when "normal" people hear drug addict, they automatically think what they've been showed or told in the news ( i fucking hate the news, but people need to fucking wake up!)
I smoke H but I like to dress up nice and all of that. Also, I think that the people who have a higher chance of ruining their lives just over-do the drug. Like someone can have an addiction but just use small doses and be alright. But people who constantly wanna get higher and higher, are the ones that most of the time just end up fucking up mostly because it gets too damn expensive or they just go insane lol. But yea its sad that some people dont make it, and whats more sad is the people that judge or say things like "WHY KANT DEY JUS STAHP? ITS RUININ THER LIFE!" those are one of the most annoying people i think, the ignorant anti-drug people that want addicts in jail instead of helping them because they dont realize its a disease...Wouldnt feel bad if one of those people got tied up, and held for a week, meanwhile getting shots of Heroin daily atleast 3 times a day and then let them free lol. But then thats evil too isnt it? :D
 
:) I guess I should be SEARCHING for people that arent brainwashed ha

@JackiesBabyy - Yea Mostly the bad effects of stimulants come from the activities associated (or not associated with it) with it. Like not sleeping, eating, brushing teeth etc. Not to mention the psychological damage. But you take a therapeutic dose right? Besides the 5 days where you "party" ha but like you said "I won't stop until they stop being incredibly fun and helpful." I think you should (for harm reductions sake) not do those 5 day parties, just because something can happen that will NOT let you enjoy them or get the therapeutic effects anymore! :\
But anyways im sure you researched everything already, just a friendly reminder because i would hate to find out the thing that works for you doesnt someday...

I know I shouldn't, but nothing brings me more excitement than taking a temporary vacation off to Psychosisland and seeing what my brain can do under such conditions.

(Apparently not too much, as evidenced by http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/649067-you-know-how-oftentimes-people-tend-to-be )

It can't be healthy, but I always feel totally back to normal (well, delusional thinking goes away) after a night's sleep.
 
I know I shouldn't, but nothing brings me more excitement than taking a temporary vacation off to Psychosisland and seeing what my brain can do under such conditions.

(Apparently not too much, as evidenced by http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/649067-you-know-how-oftentimes-people-tend-to-be )

It can't be healthy, but I always feel totally back to normal (well, delusional thinking goes away) after a night's sleep.

Mainly because those chemicals are RC's right? Nobody knnows much about them so just be careful...thats enough party pooping lol

Yea it was kind of funny when i would wake up from doing speed the day before, and i'd get audio hallucinations! like a radio playing or just voices. Even though I knew what they were, it was crazy how real they felt :D
 
Mainly because those chemicals are RC's right? Nobody knnows much about them so just be careful...thats enough party pooping lol

Yea it was kind of funny when i would wake up from doing speed the day before, and i'd get audio hallucinations! like a radio playing or just voices. Even though I knew what they were, it was crazy how real they felt :D

It's generally accepted the 2-FMA and 4-FA are just neurotransmitter releasers no more toxic than the known amphetamines. There's quite a bit known and researched about 4-FA's pharmacology in particular. Regular, more known amphetamines can and quite regularly do cause the exact same thing to people who binge on them. Even ritalin can cause it in some :P
 
It's generally accepted the 2-FMA and 4-FA are just neurotransmitter releasers no more toxic than the known amphetamines. There's quite a bit known and researched about 4-FA's pharmacology in particular. Regular, more known amphetamines can and quite regularly do cause the exact same thing to people who binge on them. Even ritalin can cause it in some :P

Ok well once again, you prove yourself to know your stuff so I'll just stop worrying 8) lol
I've always wondered if ADD/ADHD was a "real" problem or if it was just that people were just used to other focus patterns...Like i heard that people with ADHD , when they are given a stimulant, they get "calm"
but they make it sound like if it acts as a depressant lol
But I think the way you feel it, and I feel it, is that it allows us to focus so we are still basically "calm and focused" with no jitters ;)
But I dont think i have add/adhd lol well atleast i havent been tested for it!

P.S. what i meant by "other thinking patterns" is like imagine gaining a tolerance to focusing..or not focusing like watching tv or play video games just because its easier...i used to do alot of that shit when i was little so ive often wondered about it myself
 
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