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The Drug's in the Mail - The Silk Road and our very own Tronica!

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errr, they sent drugs via mail. do you know how miniscule a percentage of drugs in the mail are from online marketplaces?
/don't bet that nip ;)
 
It has relevance and it's not too far fetched to assume that the largest known "marketplace" was involved.

Unless of course, you have something of interest to add to this discussion?
 
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Liquid MDMA (ecstasy) huh? Lol.
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Haha I saw that too. GHB and GBL used to be called Liquid Ecstasy, but liquid MDMA would be a freebase oil and it seems extremely odd that a product would be mailed out before the chemist finish's the cooking process. Silly silly
 
opi8 said:
It has relevance and it's not too far fetched to assume that the largest known "marketplace" was involved.

Unless of course, you have something of interest to add to this discussion?
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dude unless YOU have something to link that bust to SR besides the fact they used the postal service, then yeah it is far fetched. sorry that such a correction is getting people all butthurt. jesus christ, if the kid showed something that DID link it further it wouldn't upset me 0.0001% yet my asking gets this. If he's wrong and it's just a random bust that happened to use the postal service, that *should* be clarified, that wouldn't be my bad it'd be his.
 
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Are you talking about me? I'm not a kid. Go back to my original post, i said it MAY be linked. I didnt say i could provide evidence. I dont really care either way. If it upsets you, sorry. Its in the drug busts thread as well. Unless a mod wants to remove it, that's pretty much that.
 
dude unless YOU have something to link that bust to SR besides the fact they used the postal service, then yeah it is far fetched.
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It's happened in this thread before, i think it was mister who thought a bust may have been from SR and posted it on here, but I think it was worked out later it wasn't, or guessed at. In any case it's not really important, it may be, it may not be SR related. I do realise people can use the net/phones/post to get drugs and SR is just a % of how much goes through the mail.

Reason: yknow i just realized this is in a regional subforum, apparently there's different etiquette. sorry, i go for *accuracy*
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Yeah its Australia and New Zealand. It's just a guess, and i dont claim to be right or wrong. I said it MAY relate to SR... cool?
 
If it really shits you you can alway ask a mod what they think about it, tell them your concerns, if they want to they can remove it.

At least this threads been bumped again :)
 
cool mate, you are probably correct, it may not be related at all, total speculation on my part.
 
Yup, I'm gonna be a sheep and do what all the cool kids are doing,

Keep up the fine work mods, it doesn't get said enough but you do one hell of a job that is extremely time consuming and I give my most sincere respect and I take my hat off to you.
 
THE NEW DRUGS TRADE, PART 2

When two US Senators announced last week that they wanted the Feds to wipe out Silk Road, an underground version of eBay where users can by illegal drugs online, the not-so-invisible hand of the market began its attempts to wipe the Internet clean. We’re not talking about research chemicals that are undesirable to most drug users here. These are users’ Most Wanted narcotics like crystal meth, cocaine, ecstasy and super-strong hallucinogens which are being sold through the back-channels of the Internet, and they’re almost untraceable.
But Silk Road is only one of the places to buy illegal drugs online. Substance just received delivery of Class A hallucinogens and Class B stimulants from other sites on the web. If the tabloids were tripping out when they heard that legal drugs like Mephedrone and Ivory Wave were available online, they’ll be crawling up the walls when they know the extent of the illegal drugs available. Forty years since it began, the war on drugs has entered the digital domain; but as the opening shots ring out, it’s clear that the web is a battlefield tailor-made for the drug trade.

As with most criminal lairs, the headquarters of the online drugs trade aren’t that easy to find. To get to the kingpins willing to ship acid to your door, users first have to find the underground marketplaces where dealers advertise their goods. Silk Road was hoisted above ground by the news site Gawker, in an article headlined “The Underground Website Where You Can Buy Any Drug Imaginable.” But before all the attention from the press, it operated under the radar for a couple of years because of how difficult it is to find.

Firstly, it has a garbled combination of numbers and letters as its URL that doesn’t show up in search engines. Second, it’s only visible to users running the TOR encryption software so that its users can’t be traced. And third, all transactions are made with Bitcoin, the as-yet untraceable virtual currency that’s becoming a problem not just for government narc squads, but law enforcement agencies of all kinds, since it can be used to trade drugs, weapons, kiddie porn, hacker codes and pretty much anything else of value.

The amount of hype surrounding Silk Road means that it can’t be long before people get stung by Feds posing as crack merchants, but that’s hardly going to deter the swathes of people flooding to the site as a result of the Gawker article. In reality, the chances of being stung by an undercover cop are pretty remote if you pay attention to its merchant rating system, which lets customers leave feedback on sellers, just like on eBay.

The downside of the surge in popularity is that Bitcoins have become more expensive to buy, which makes the drugs more expensive. So while cocaine used to go for the Bitcoin equivalent of £30 a gram, now it’s going for over £100. Add to the fact that the Bitcoin server recently got hacked and millions in users’ currency stolen, anybody who knows a reliable dealer in the real world will find Silk Road a much less attractive option.

It’s also unlikely that, like other illicit trader sites—whether it’s for drugs or file sharing—Silk Road will be around forever. People are already selling their accounts in online forums because they sense that the administrators may stop accepting new members soon. The site has already been taken down and then re-emerged with new URLs a couple of times, and this is bound to continue as the admins try to keep it out of the authorities’ reach.
But like Napster, Silk Road will probably spawn a host of other sites which will take over the supply side of the equation. New sites are cropping up all the time, like the TOR-encrypted Open Vendor Database, which was just another version of Silk Road that has already disappeared from the web.

Even more beguiling than secret sites operating outside of the Internet mainstream, though, are the ones that don’t even bother encrypting themselves. These have been around a lot longer than Silk Road. The only thing that’s keeping them up and running is the fact that the police clearly don’t know about them, but users do.

There is a site based in Austria, RC-Supply, that sells some of the lesser-known Class A drugs and will deliver them to your door. To visitors who aren’t members, the site appears to be selling “Laboratory equipment.” But when log in and a portal opens up to reveal a wreck-head’s Narnia: bucket-loads of drugs—some of them legal, but most of them highly illegal.

RC-Supply sells a host of dishes first cooked up by the godfather of psychedelics, Alexander Shulgin, which are documented in his book PiHKAL: A Chemical Love Story: As well as the Class A tryptamines 2C-E, 2C-P and 2C-D, there are other cannabinoids, stimulants and deliriants like the insanely powerful psychedelic 5-Meo-DMT—a strand of DMT—and powerful alternatives to ketamine and Mephedrone.

While the drugs sold by RC-Supply are marketed as ‘research chemicals’, most of them are different beasts from the legal highs available elsewhere online that market themselves as being for research purposes only. These are extremely potent, mostly Class A and some of them actually have a documented history of recreational use, not least by Shulgin himself. On Erowid, the user Xorkoth describes his trip on 2C-E as “the most fucked up I’ve ever been. I have NEVER hallucinated this strongly or completely before.”

While the drugs sold by RC-Supply are marketed as ‘research chemicals’, most of them are different beasts from the legal highs available elsewhere online that market themselves as being for research purposes only. These are extremely potent, mostly Class A and some of them actually have a documented history of recreational use, not least by Shulgin himself. On Erowid, the user Xorkoth describes his trip on 2C-E as “the most fucked up I’ve ever been. I have NEVER hallucinated this strongly or completely before.”

It was assumed that when Mephedrone and its analogue compounds were banned last year, it would be the last time people saw their favourite brands of legal highs. In this case, people would go one of two ways: either they would return to taking Class As like cocaine and ecstasy, or they would turn to even more obscure alternatives. But one of the biggest names on the market, a company called London Underground (LU), are still selling their old favourites like Doves—a super-strong version of ecstasy—on their website.


The logic of the dealers here is startlingly simple. Doves and other LU products used to be sold in head shops and in some of the more exotic newsagents in the UK. But when they became illegal last year, LU simply moved their operation online, which is notoriously difficult to police. Based in New Zealand, they just pretend they don’t know that their products have been banned in most of the countries they ship to. A disclaimer on their website says, “London Underground can't possibly know every law or changes in laws for every country in the world. The responsibility is yours.” It’s platitudinous ass-covering at its very worst, and wouldn’t stand for anything in a court of law. But since they’re operating online, LU must have taken the calculated risk that their disclaimer doesn’t have to be worth shit, since it’s unlikely they’ll be in front of a judge any time soon.

Without knowing the intimate details of how many packages get checked by customs and couriers—information they won’t divulge for obvious reasons—it’s hard to know exactly how much risk the manufacturers and customers are taking by advertising illegal drugs online. But the fact that these sites have been shipping them around the world for over a year suggests the risk is minimal. To test it out, and to see if these sites were for real, Substance ordered 500mg of 2C-E and 2g of Methylone from RC-Supply and a pack of ten Doves from London Underground. We took delivery of the 2C-E and Methylone four days after ordering, while the Doves took twelve days to arrive. Without going into the details of how we tested them, we know that we received exactly what was advertised and, unlike the majority of dealers, they were on time.

Just as the music industry was changed forever when people realised they could get their music online, the drug trade has similarly entered a new level of the game. It stands to reason that just like in the physical world, if people want to get their hands on drugs they will do, no matter how stringent the law. As Napster and Silk Road go to show, kids in their bedrooms are always the ones at the vanguard, with the authorities always the ones chasing tails.
To see just how far behind the game drug enforcement agencies are, we spoke to the Home Office about what they were doing to stem the flow of illegal drugs being bought from the Internet. They were scarcely aware that it was happening.

“The war on drugs has failed,” begins the first report by the Global Commission on Drug Policy. So with this futile drug war opening up on another front, it would make sense for governments to admit defeat before the death toll gets any higher. Drug cartels already run whole cities like Juarez in Mexico and huge areas of London, Glasgow, New York, Los Angeles, [insert any other city here], so it’s deluded to think that the drug trade won’t give prohibitionists another whooping on the web.

Text: Lewis G Parker
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http://www.substance.tv/magazine/essay/the-new-drugs-trade-part-2/76/

MODS: there is a link to an RC vendor in this article BUT the site in question no longer exists.
 
Detectives follow the silk road

A LUCRATIVE website that sells illegal drugs is proving a challenge for Esperance detectives to rein in its activities, but as they turn their attention to the online marketplace, detectives are finding local deliveries have “practically stopped.”
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The Silk Road website, which is achieving an estimated $22 million a year in sales, functions similarly to a black market version of eBay, where drugs such as ecstasy and cocaine sell for far less than their street value in Australia.

Users can access the service using TOR software, designed to mask the user’s location and details, before payment is made via the encrypted digital currency Bitcoin.

Esperance Detective Sergeant Stephen Harris said under Operation Cinder detectives had liaised with Australia Post staff who checked their daily parcel deliveries for the obvious signs of a Silk Road posting.

“Australia Post sees around 100 parcels come through its doors each day in Esperance,” Det Sgt Harris said.

“For the first few weeks, they were finding up to eight packages a week and are now able to spot the signs of a Silk Road parcel straight away.”

Since September 5, Esperance detectives and Australia Post have intercepted just over 30 packages, containing approximately 0.5kg of cannabis, around 200g of synthetic cannabis, around 5g of methylamphetamine, 1g of cocaine, around 400 tabs of LSD and 30 ecstasy tablets as well as seizing prescription medication such as oxycontin.

Det Sgt Harris said it was clear a few people were still purchasing synthetic cannabis or ‘synthetic cannabinominetics,’ thinking the drug is legal, as purported by the website.

“This is not the case, the website has providing misleading information on the topic,” he said.

“Synthetic cannabis is a prohibited substance.”

Det Sgt Harris said that because drugs are delivered by post, anyone who uses Silk Road runs the risk of their parcel being intercepted.

Sellers use techniques to make packaging less detectable and further closer inspection unlikely by vacuum sealing drugs or using ‘professional’ looking envelopes with typed addresses, with most drugs arriving in Express Post bags or birthday cards

“The message is clear: If you are going to buy drugs through online marketplaces such as Silk Road, you will be caught,” Det Sgt Harris said.

Esperance detectives and police will continue to identify, investigate and prosecute individuals and groups importing illicit
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http://www.esperanceexpress.com.au/story/734298/detectives-follow-the-silk-road/?cs=1520
 
"practically stopped" yeah I don't think so, I think the customer base of SR continues to grow and as it does it sellers are more and more careful when it comes to packaging, it seems like they have intercepted a pretty dismal amount in the past 2 months anyway, 1 gram of Coke woah!
 
...Australia Post staff who checked their daily parcel deliveries for the obvious signs of a Silk Road posting.
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Obvious signs? How do they even know these parcels are coming from SR? It's starting to become a scapegoat for any website / any drug in the post.

And the statement that 'the website' (SR?) is providing misleading information on legality of synthetic cannabinoids is suspect too...
 
Im at less risk buying from the streets of kings x from strangers than my regular vendor? thankyou everyone. Who doesnt admit to drug use on here, Im a drug user who holds down a professional position and cant be seen up there. Why do you think the site pulls in 20m... close the thread for fucks sake , what a joke. Shit I'll start cleaning house now to get ready for the coppers visit, what a load of fuckin shit
 
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Dont mean to butt in or antyhing, just curious that ur a professional but u depend on SR? U know the chances of getting caught through there are equally if not higher than buying off a dealer.
 
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