code of ethics

[opium]

Hmm.. This isnt asking for legal advice, just a tip on how you would handle this if you were me.

Soo i have a court date for missing too much school, the outcome is going to be a juvenile detention center.
I also have been linked to some problems with drugs in my school.

Now the court has offered me a plea bargain that if i help them to prosecute the drug dealers in my school, or give names. they would drop the charges for missing all the school that i have....Sounds like a sweet deal huh? no juvy and help clean up my town.
Only problem is, ive fucked up a lot in my life, but one thing ive stood by is you dont rat anyone out. You keep your mouth shut, and you didnt see anything. Thats how it was where i grew up all around boston. Code of silence. Snitches are worse then murderers. I think id feel worse if i stayed out of juvy, but put somebody else there..

What would you do? do time to keep to your word, or screw somebody else over to keep yourself out of trouble?

 

[duanomatic]

Tough call man. I've luckily never had any legal consequences because of my use, but I like to think that I am fully prepared to accept the consequences of my own actions completely and fully. I'd like to say that I wouldn't rat anybody out, but couldn't say i'd stick to my guns for sure. Everyone has their breaking point I suppose.

 

[ugly]

Someone I loved and trusted got popped for something and immediately threw me under the bus to lighten her load. My world collapsed around me.

She ran to China to stay out of prison, although I never knew what she did. No one ever would tell me what she got popped for.

She already had her escape route planned out before she spoke my name to the authorities. She knew how hard I would be hurt. She and I had been close friends. We did shopping, dinner, coffee, just hanging around, together frequently. She was the last person I thought would ever try to implicate me in her problems. I don't even know what her legal problems were.

If she comes back the the U.S. I will find her. I have some questions. I want some answers.

She sent me an email six months ago. Apologizing for the stench she left behind in my life. I wrote back that I did not believe she was even the slightest bit sorry but that I hoped she would be sorry, one day.

Do what you will. It's your karma.

 

[opium]

Tough call man. I've luckily never had any legal consequences because of my use, but I like to think that I am fully prepared to accept the consequences of my own actions completely and fully. I'd like to say that I wouldn't rat anybody out, but couldn't say i'd stick to my guns for sure. Everyone has their breaking point I suppose.

Yeah man i see it as, i fucked up, why screw somebody else to fix my problem? Its not even a friend its a drug dealer, but i still feel the same way..

Someone I loved and trusted got popped for something and immediately threw me under the bus to lighten her load. My world collapsed around me.

yeah i dont wanna be that guy who screws people to fix my own problems

Also i only even second guessed ratting someone out cause my parents say if i dont, im picking the dealers over my family..in my mind im the one that'll do the time so its my decision whether to or not

 

[sickofthisshiz]

Hell no don't snitch! You have to accept the consequences of your actions, it's not fair to throw someone else under the bus. We all know the risks we are taking by breaking the law. Everyone figures out who the snitches are, that's why l just used to never mess around with anyone who has had any recent trouble with the law. Don't do it, it will come back to bite you in the ass, and you will probably feel guilty anyways

 

[opium]

word man.. only reason i questioned it was cause my parents. they say if i dont snitch, im picking my dealer over my family, which im the one doing time..so i think its my choice

 

[ugly]

Your parents are saying whatever they can to save you. Their agenda is to protect you. They do not care about anyone or anything else EXCEPT for the fact that their son is in trouble with the law and they are scared for you.

One of my daughter's is married. Her husband's little brother just got arrested. He is just barely old enough to do adult time. He was found with weed, which the newspaper said was 30 pounds and we all know that is a lie. Cops do lie. If you are a cop, lurking in Bluelight to find out what we criminals are up to, well, we are up to less than you are. Liars.

Anyway the boy was also found with hundreds of pills, which really means 20 pills. The boy had $20,000 worth of crystal meth, but in reality all they found was meth residue on a mirror.

I don't know him very well. He doesn't live around us but I've met him. The thought of him going to prison absolutely hurts my heart.

Our whole law system is corrupt. Within the system there are a few nice cops who actually are serving and protecting, but for the most part, the law and the outlaw do the same shit to each other.

Now that the law has you they want to cause all the damage they can. From personal experience, I will say that the law has you in thumb screws. That is enough to cause your parents a lot of anxiety. What you need is a good lawyer. If the last few decades have shown us nothing else, we have all learned that if you can afford to buy a good lawyer, you can do whatever you want.

If your parents are able, have them get you a good lawyer. You might walk away scot free.

 

[ugly]

Also, if you've already talked to the detectives, you've already hurt your case. That's why they HAVE to say "You have the right to remain silent." They don't want you to remain silent. They will be very cunning about getting you to talk. But the reason the public insists on cops telling detainees "You have the right to remain silent." is because those who have experience with the law know that the last thing a cop wants is for you to stay quiet. They HATE it when a detainee stays quiet.

Anyone doing anything illegal, now, or in the future, should find out first what the cost could be if caught, how best not to get caught, and how to invoke, understand, and use to your advantage the right to remain silent.

 

[opium]

thank you ugly..yeah my parents are extremely worried..and i havent talked to anyone yet, their still scheduling my court date. the Principal just offered me that as a way to avoid court, talk to the police, and drop the truancy charges and keep me out of court..i think im just gonna take what i get cause i caused it..my parents wont get me a lawyer so idk much way around that
thanks so much for the advice

also im sorry to hear about those horrible exaggerations...fuck the police.

 

[laugh]

morals...ethics, they went with the invention of money. capitalism and the above all else need for cash money saw to their extinction. anything and everything is now simply justified by the mighty dollar...who needs morals or ethics when they are simply ignored with the catch phrase 'i had too, its my job' or 'i dont want or like this but its my job'

good luck with the bullshit game of court! and yeh fuck the po po!

 

[herbavore]

Opium, I would just stand tall with my head held high and say I will accept the consequences for MY actions and I will not implicate anyone else. The reason that I would do this is not because I would feel bad for the dealers (who will no doubt run into their own problems down the road with or without you) but because I think that your own journey has been one of great integrity; so why screw up your track record? If you can try to explain this to your parents I think they should be proud. Sometimes parental pride comes in the strangest packages. I have mentioned on here before how I was as proud as the mom whose kid has just been chose valedictorian when I used to sit outside drug court with my son and watch him transform all his own depression, anxiety, fear and anger into a desire to help all the other poor souls that found themselves sitting outside of drug court with him. He would make eye contact and smile, start up conversations, make a joke--whatever it took to lighten the air for everybody else--forgetting his own problems for a while. I knew then what an incredible human being I had raised. I was so proud of him during those times. Your parents are on a different path than the one they envisioned. I hope that they can begin to see through all their own expectations and see life on a deeper plane. If they can't at first, have patience with them. But you stay strong. In the end the only thing you have in this life is your own integrity. whenever there is a choice--listen to your gut. It never lies.

 

[opium]

Opium, I would just stand tall with my head held high and say I will accept the consequences for MY actions and I will not implicate anyone else. The reason that I would do this is not because I would feel bad for the dealers (who will no doubt run into their own problems down the road with or without you) but because I think that your own journey has been one of great integrity; so why screw up your track record? If you can try to explain this to your parents I think they should be proud. Sometimes parental pride comes in the strangest packages. I have mentioned on here before how I was as proud as the mom whose kid has just been chose valedictorian when I used to sit outside drug court with my son and watch him transform all his own depression, anxiety, fear and anger into a desire to help all the other poor souls that found themselves sitting outside of drug court with him. He would make eye contact and smile, start up conversations, make a joke--whatever it took to lighten the air for everybody else--forgetting his own problems for a while. I knew then what an incredible human being I had raised. I was so proud of him during those times. Your parents are on a different path than the one they envisioned. I hope that they can begin to see through all their own expectations and see life on a deeper plane. If they can't at first, have patience with them. But you stay strong. In the end the only thing you have in this life is your own integrity. whenever there is a choice--listen to your gut. It never lies.

This summed it up in the best way i could of asked for.. thats exactly what ive been trying to convey to my parents, just could never put it into words. Of all the times ive screwed up, all i have left is i am NOT a rat and couldnt see myself being one. I wish i had a printer so i could give this to my parents, to take some pointers on what a real mom/dad should be. Thank you very much

 

[mrflowers00]

man up and do your time

 

[opium]

word i will ^

 

[Crashing]

Hmm.. This isnt asking for legal advice, just a tip on how you would handle this if you were me.

Soo i have a court date for missing too much school, the outcome is going to be a juvenile detention center.
I also have been linked to some problems with drugs in my school.

Now the court has offered me a plea bargain that if i help them to prosecute the drug dealers in my school, or give names. they would drop the charges for missing all the school that i have....Sounds like a sweet deal huh? no juvy and help clean up my town.
Only problem is, ive fucked up a lot in my life, but one thing ive stood by is you dont rat anyone out. You keep your mouth shut, and you didnt see anything. Thats how it was where i grew up all around boston. Code of silence. Snitches are worse then murderers. I think id feel worse if i stayed out of juvy, but put somebody else there..

What would you do? do time to keep to your word, or screw somebody else over to keep yourself out of trouble?

Dude, the cops are probably lying and just saying that so that you'll rat the others out. You'll still get whatever you got coming to you. There's no easy way out.

 

[cj]

Stand tall man. Your looking at a couple days in juvie nothing to worry about. Plus the principal is lying to you he cant help you with your legal problems.

 

[Sepher]

You inform on people because you believe it is the morally right thing to do. I informed on an acquaintance of mine after it became obvious to me that he was the man responsible for the death of a 90 odd year old victim died after he burgled her home while she was in it, assaulting her on the way out. I stood in court, looked him in the eye, and helped send him down for manslaughter ( sadly not the murder he was charged with ). He's now out, I live with the fear I will one day run into him, or he will actually seek me out. No witness protection for me mate.

You do not inform on people just to save your own sorry skin. Take what's coming to you on the chin. If you're responsible for something the consequences are yours and yours alone to bear. Anything else is in my view morally wrong. There's a reason people don't like 'rats'. It's because they're too spineless to take their consequences like a (wo)man. Fuck that and grow some! Whatever happens to you you'll come through it and be ok in the end, retaining every bit of your integrity and self-respect, and the albeit grudging respect of others.

 

[T. Calderone]

You havn't been arrested formally for anything right? I mean, truancy from school is one thing. Seems like the school administrators are beefing this up because they suspect you have been using drugs. I think you and your parents walked into a trap. Don't say anything more than you've said already. Ask your parents to get an attorney. This way you don't have to talk to authorities. You've never been arrested for drugs so they can bully you all they want. When they call you in, you can tell them "My lawyer is handling this, and I can't talk to you."

 

[michael]

Dude, the cops are probably lying and just saying that so that you'll rat the others out. You'll still get whatever you got coming to you. There's no easy way out.

Stand tall man. Your looking at a couple days in juvie nothing to worry about. Plus the principal is lying to you he cant help you with your legal problems.

^^^
these.

 

[Sepher]

^^^

Now the court has offered me a plea bargain

the court

I don't understand the system at work here but not ^this^? Doesn't mention Principal or cops?

Soo i have a court date for missing too much school, the outcome is going to be a juvenile detention center.

Are cops and courts involved here with the threat of detention just for missing school, or is that threat linked only to the drug issue. You go to jail for truancy? Explain?