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mj1945

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Well I know I have mdma but I would like to know how much I have in each capsule. It's from the same guy but I notice each time I get off him it seems a little weaker. Probably because he wants to make more profit, and it could be from a slight tolerance but my buddy who doesn't roll too much notices too. I'm sure he cuts it with a non active ingredient too make his capsules fuller. I usually had to take one and that was usually good for the night, even used to be so strong I would make two bombs out of each pill. Anyhow last time I double dropped and it was fine, not too intense just a little jittery. Me and my buddy were going to triple drop and I didn't think it was a huge problem because they could have 50-75 mgs in each for all i know, maybe less who knows. But to make sure it is safe to do so I was wondering if there was a way I can figure out how much mdma I have in each pill, like anything I could put it in too seperate it from whatever it is cut with> so after I'll weigh it out and see how much mdma is in each. thanks!
 
how often do you roll? it could be the same amount in each one and your serotonin is just low or the magic is wearing off
 
Depending on what it is cut with, you can do an acetone wash and filter out any organic impurities.

Any additional drugs it could be adulterated with will be left in there.. but things like sugar, baking soda, flour and the normal cutting ingredients should filter right out. There are plenty of guides on how to do that, so just use our lovely search feature and you'll find what you need.



I would strongly recommend you talk to the dealer though. It may seem intimidating, but tell him you'll pay some extra $$$ to know that it's not cut, I find that seems to work out well... especially if your dealer has any business sense.
 
So you've got some kind of capsule with crystal MDMA in it right? First off you need to test it to know for sure it's actually MD. I know you said that you're positive you have MDMA, but there could be other shit on with it aswell. A weak reaction on the test would tell you your shit is weak anyway, solving the "why wont it get me fucked anymore" dillema.

Other than that, I assume there would be a way to remove filler from the mixture inside the capsule, but I'm not sure how difficult it'd be. This site has a sub-forum that would be able to answer that sort of query, and the search function would probably help you find it quicker.

I also think it'd depend on the what the inactive ingredient was. If I was you I'd just find a different guy to buy from, don't put up with being ripped off.

If you're double dropping, and thinking of triple dropping this guy's product, it isn't worth shit.
 
I used to roll a lot but chilled out so I know it is not the case. I know the guy but he doesn't seem to know too much about the stuff, just sells it. He probably makes enough that he doesn't care to be honest. He has the best stuff I've tried by far and I don't wanna lose the connect. Paying an extra 5 or ten for some more caps is alright for me if it's weaker. However I'll try this acetone wash thing. I hope the stuff doesn't cost much I'm low on cash atm.
 
Man I've tested this stuff and rolled off this stuff for awhile. He is a big dealer in my city and a lot of people agree his stuff is the best by far as most other stuff is not even mdma, or even anything active so I'm not wasting my time.
 
Folley said:
Actually that's not true... reagent tests can't check for purity, they can just indicate the presence of a substance. Even .25 of a milligram can give a full reaction.
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I thought a slow colour change suggested weak product? I know it doesn't test purity only a lab can do that. But, for extreme example, would a pill with 1mg mdma produce the same speed reaction as a pill with 200mg?
 
StrutterGear said:
would a pill with 1mg mdma produce the same speed reaction as a pill with 200mg?
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I myself have often wondered that... I don't think any test kit company will verify that though because I think it would be illegal to sell purity tests haha.
 
Mr.MDxx said:
I myself have often wondered that... I don't think any test kit company will verify that though because I think it would be illegal to sell purity tests haha.
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I was under the impression that although definitely not a reliable way to test that a slow colour change meant shit product. Only way to test for purity really is to send to a lab.

Anyways, the simple answer is the OP should find a different dealer.
 
A pill with very little mdma can still cause a color change, but yes, the reaction will be slower and less apparent.
 
scureto1 said:
A pill with very little mdma can still cause a color change, but yes, the reaction will be slower and less apparent.
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This makes sense and I completely follow the logic, but can you source this?

"If the powder contains an ecstasy-like substance (MDMA, MDA, or MDE), the reagent will immediately turn purple/black. This is a positive test for an ecstasy-like substance." - Dancesafe.org

I know it doesn't give us a threshold number for went this reaction will be triggered, but as Folley mentioned above 0.25 mg can trigger it. I don't have any sourcing for that but I've seen 0.25-1mg thrown around on countless sites and threads as a number of mg that could trigger a positive test. And according to Dancesafe it should be an immediate reaction, so who knows? :?

I would really love it if EZTest or Dancesafe could clarify this for us but I'm positive they wouldn't be able to sell their kits anymore, they're already dancing around so many laws (pun intended for dancesafe ;) ) that I'm sure their products would be outlawed if it also tested for purity.
 
StrutterGear said:
I thought a slow colour change suggested weak product? I know it doesn't test purity only a lab can do that. But, for extreme example, would a pill with 1mg mdma produce the same speed reaction as a pill with 200mg?
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Well, in that setting, yeah of course.


But will a 50mg pill produce a weaker reaction than a 100mg pill? No, not in most cases. In fact, you can get a weak looking reaction from a 200mg pill... or a DARK AS FUCK, fizzing instantly 50mg pill.


It comes down to the binders, and how well it's pressed. Also depends on how much sample you use, even like 5mg of a 50mg pill would produce a quick reaction, while 1 or 2mg would be slower.


60mg of crystal MDMA with 40mg of flour won't produce any kind of a distinct reaction from a pure 100mg sample either. Maybe if it was like, 30mg of MDMA and a shit load of filler.. but for the most part, no. The speed or intensity of a color reagent reaction won't tell you anything.



If it fizzes and smokes, then it's likely to be a high concentration of MDMA HCL, I guess that's the one way to check. But that doesn't happen often, even with great pills.
 
it's shocking how many users (including BLers and posters on pillreports.com) appear to take such numbers at face value. very, very few of us have access to *quantitative* drug tests. (marquis, simon's, ... are qualitative tests.) i certainly get the impression dealers are exploiting the gullibility of many users.
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yep

why incentives does the dealer have to tell you the truth?
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if you went to a butcher shop and asked for and payed for fillet steak but on returning home and unwrapping your paper you realised the butcher had shafted you and given you chuck steak...what would you do? i would probably eat the chuck but i would also find another butcher.
 
You mention the dude doesn't even know much about the product he is selling? Maybe the RC's are getting better and mimic MDMA. You can never be sure without a test kit. I don't care if you and other people really think it is the best shit, you never know what you are truly consuming.

Point being - if you have money to take drugs, you should always have money to test your drugs.
 
GC/MS testing would help you, if you had the money to send a sample to ecstasydata.org. They will tell you exact contents down to the tenths of a milligram.
 
^ Again.. not really true :\

If you send it into ED they just tell you WHAT is in it, not how much, or how pure it is. Unfortunately, there's no real way to check for purity in the American market. Only the Dutchies with their free test centers have that perk.
 
Mr.MDxx said:
This makes sense and I completely follow the logic, but can you source this?

"If the powder contains an ecstasy-like substance (MDMA, MDA, or MDE), the reagent will immediately turn purple/black. This is a positive test for an ecstasy-like substance." - Dancesafe.org

I know it doesn't give us a threshold number for went this reaction will be triggered, but as Folley mentioned above 0.25 mg can trigger it. I don't have any sourcing for that but I've seen 0.25-1mg thrown around on countless sites and threads as a number of mg that could trigger a positive test. And according to Dancesafe it should be an immediate reaction, so who knows? :?

I would really love it if EZTest or Dancesafe could clarify this for us but I'm positive they wouldn't be able to sell their kits anymore, they're already dancing around so many laws (pun intended for dancesafe ;) ) that I'm sure their products would be outlawed if it also tested for purity.
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The source is stoichiometry and chemical kinetics. The rates of most chemical reactions (excluding 0th order, for any nitpickers out there) are influenced by the concentrations of the reactants. More reactant = faster reaction, and more product. The product of the reaction between the substances in the pill and the reagent are what produce the color. More reactant --> faster reaction ---> seeing color sooner.

However, for many "colored" solutions, it takes only a tiny, tiny amount of the compound responsible for the color to actually produce the color. So, even with a slightly slower reaction, you will see the expected color even if there is only a tiny amount of MDXX in the sample. I don't know anything about there being a particular threshold, such as 0.25mg-1mg. But, everything Folley said in the post following yours is also true. It's never simple or straightforward with testing a pill because it is a complex mixture of both active ingredient and fillers/binders. The fillers/binders, while not responsible for the color changes, do influence the appearance of the testing mixture and might even make it impossible to see the results.
 
when ive always had mdma crystal.. ive always found with an 'e.z test marquies/mandelin' test, it goes straight to black loads of smoke and bubbles.. thats usely how i tell. :)
 
^ Smoke and bubbles are definitely a good sign. That's a violent reaction there lol, probably means you should be using less product to test so you can observe the color change better.


Pills can be tricky though, a 100mg MDMA mint that is tiny as hell will have a VERY strong reaction, but a giant 200mg MDMA Ferrari that weighs almost 500mg will have a slower reaction. It really varies from press to press
 
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