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legit need for soma

Jean-Paul said:
weed makes me crazy in a bad way.
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You don't have to get high when you use medicinal cannabis. In fact I've just taken some for my knees and I'm not high at all. I took enough to get relief from my pain and to feel the anti-inflammatory effects but not enough feel get high. Perhaps for 5 minutes there was a very slight shift in my consciousness but that's it.

I suspect you're not aware of how CBT works and I think you should think of giving it a chance before you decide it won't work. At least read about it.
 
I can absolutely appreciate where you are coming from and while I still think you need to find some way to work through these past experiences eventually, if you have no trust in the therapeutic process now, it probably won't do any good. I have known countless people who have experienced severe trauma and if they were not at a point where they were ready to address these experiences and trusted the process, it didn't help and could even make things worse.

If right now just getting your anxiety under control is what you need, then you should aggressively pursue that but please don't close yourself off to other options. There are anxiolytics available that are so much safer and carry less risks than benzodiazepines. Benzos are fantastic if used in a limited context and preferably as irregularly as possible so you avoid dependence (mentally and physically). They can complement other options such as buspirone, hydroxyzine, supplement regimes and so many other options.

I don't want you to be denied a treatment that works so well for you, I just would hate to see you become overly dependent on them and needlessly suffer down the road as a result.

If there is a large somatic component to the anxiety, beta blockers can be a fantastic option as well. They are a drug used for hypertension (high blood pressure), and when given to someone with anxiety, they shut off the physical symptoms - rapid heart-rate, sweating, shaking, etc. They are often used for performance anxiety and given that they have no abuse potential, doctors are much more amenable to prescribing them.

My main point through this is that I would hate to see you think that your only hope rests on something physicans may not want to prescribe and that there are LOTS of options that could be beneficial if you are willing to give them a try.
 
i appreciate your intelligent, thought out response. i think you have some good suggestions. i have tried some of the alternative anxiety meds you mentioned and they worked as well as tic tacs.

however, i do believe i should give therapy a try on my klonopin and give the beta blockers and other stuff besides vistaril and gabapentin (did shit for me, tic tacs, etc) after i am in a stable place due to my meds. i would def. be open to beta blockers or other things i have not tried.

i guess my only hope NOW rests on something i have to look around for and plead for, but when someone rationally describes both sides of the situation and does not rule out short term benzo use, i have open ears. thanks
 
Artificial Emotion said:
Jean-Paul if I'm honest I have a hard time believing that your desire for soma and benzos is just for legit medical needs. Everything, such as your naming specific drugs.
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to say nothing of the fact that this guy mentioned i post here (hey, i have a message board problem. wanna loser-fight about it?=[ )

i don't get why knowing what i need is bad. the soma thing was bad because i had never been on it before. i assumed it would work because it's stronger. and i'm sitting here right now with the same back pain i've had since i was 16 because my spine is S shaped and that shit turns into knots and pain.

however.

if a schizo goes in and says "hey, i need [this anti psychotic]" because they know it worked for them, do they get shit about not needing it? no.

let's please do away with bias like this, esp. if you don't know the persons psych and med history.

i don't like benzos recreationally, i just know what the fuck i put in my body before i do.

JUST SAYIN'
 
I agree with Artificial Emotion on this. :\ Personally I have gone to doctors and knew exactly what I wanted and what I needed to say to get it. And if they didn't give it up I would move on... Its called doctor Shopping.Not saying that is what you are doing, just giving my experiences. Also if you know they wont give that to you, have you thought about other routes of treatment? Such as Surgery, Physical therapy etc...
 
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Jean-Paul said:
i don't get why knowing what i need is bad.
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Because people don't usually go to the doctor requesting a specific drug. They tell their doctor what the problem is and he either decides what to prescribe them or refers them to someone else or takes another course of action. When someone comes along saying they NEED x drug and it happens to be one that can be abused, alarm bells ring.

Jean-Paul said:
if a schizo goes in and says "hey, i need [this anti psychotic]" because they know it worked for them, do they get shit about not needing it? no.
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Anti-psychotics don't get you high. Schizophrenia is harder to exaggerate or lie about than something as subjective as pain, especially if the person has no insight. i'm not saying you're necessary lying to us, but maybe you are to yourself.

Jean-Paul said:
let's please do away with bias like this, esp. if you don't know the persons psych and med history.
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It's not bias but reading between the lines of your post. In other words, intuition.
 
Artificial Emotion said:
Because people don't usually go to the doctor requesting a specific drug. They tell their doctor what the problem is and he either decides what to prescribe them or refers them to someone else or takes another course of action. When someone comes along saying they NEED x drug and it happens to be one that can be abused, alarm bells ring.
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yes, i am quite aware of that. i am also aware that i've been on MANY MANY MANY MANY kinds of psych drugs that didn't work, and it GETS FUCKING OLD. so it's a little goddamn annoying to think i can't go in there and say "my old psychiatrist gave me KLONOPIN, paxil, vistaril, and ambien - and it worked. so i would like it again. does the paxil work alone? nope. did the vistaril? dear god, no. do i just need help with sleeping? no, that is not my only problem.

the issue with "doctors will know best unless you are a drug seeker" is patronizing to a certain point. it makes sense and it is usually true, but in some cases it is not. it take years and years and going through the SHIT to fight the battle of mental illness, and i do not want my years discounted for because i know what works or doesn't.



Anti-psychotics don't get you high. Schizophrenia is harder to exaggerate or lie about than something as subjective as pain, especially if the person has no insight. i'm not saying you're necessary lying to us, but maybe you are to yourself.
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as far as the soma for pain, you people have pretty much gotten me off of that boat. i'm not going to say i need it. i am sick of the muscle problems, but my psych issues are more important. witht he soma i was just assuming it would work because the stuff i had was not loosening up my back. however when i am in the same boat with anxiety, hoping for an abusable drug for multiple things is just stupid. and i really have only tried two or three muscle relaxers that didnt work. there could be more, and i would accept them. never would i go in there and say "soma, please!" plus, it might just be too much addictive pills on my plate once i have my psych meds. the more simple here, the better. i'm convinced i probably don't need soma.


It's not bias but reading between the lines of your post. In other words, intuition.
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intuition indeed. that's why i hope for a psych who will listen to my truths and insights and hear me and help me work with this thing. not one who will write me off. it's all about the guy. not a guy i can con. just a guy with his own intuition
 
I just find it too hard to believe everything you're saying is 100% genuine. Sorry but I'm just calling it as I see it and by the looks of it I'm not the only one given what you've said about your doctors and the response you've gotten.

At the end of the day you would almost certainly be best served without the drugs you've shown a desire in having. Even if you do have issues with chronic pain your history of drug abuse means you're at risk of abusing them anyway, so it's in your interest to deal with the pain through other means. You don't seem to even want to give things like CBT a chance so as harsh as this might sound, don't be surprised if your problems don't get any better. You have to want to help yourself before other people can help you.
 
^ are you really saying that someone with a history of drug abuse might be lying themselves to convince themselves they need drugs of abuse? I haven't heard of such a thing.
 
^ sorry for my dry sarcasm ;)

Every addict puts themselves at risk if they don't question what they are telling themselves. EVERYONE rationalizes and addicts are damn good at it, especially intelligent ones.

(if it's not evident, I largely agree with what you're saying)
 
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