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[Furious George]

I'm not familiar with the V bulletin thing, but of all the sites I visit this is the most heavily and unreasonably policed (oh the irony etc)

 

[Marmalade]

I am starting to think this is a V Bulletin thing.
I do know that mods in other V bulletin forums have their own forum section to discuss posters so that they can decide who to ban and why.

just think that it comes down to the fact that some mods like to bring the hammer down whilst literally salivating, its not exclusive to bluelight. But it tends to happen a lot on V bulletin forums for some reason.

erm. cause most forums have now upgraded to vbulletin?

The modding policy of a forum isn't dictated by the forum software

 

[Furious George]

erm. cause most forums have now upgraded to vbulletin?

The modding policy of a forum isn't dictated by the forum software

Indeed. What TheLiberalMedia seemed to be saying was that vbulletin website templates all have a mod forum in which they have discussions/make decisions about who should be banned etc. The end result can therefore be bewildering to the forum users who have not been privy to said discussions.

 

[The Liberal Media]

erm. cause most forums have now upgraded to vbulletin?

The modding policy of a forum isn't dictated by the forum software

Whilst this area of the forum is probably the least modded compared to other areas ( esp politics etc) since my return I still notice the nazi modding that occurs on both here and other v bulletins like trade2win.com

For some strange reason there are a tonne more forums onine that dont use v bullletin that have the most lax and laid back modding guidlines,
In the v bulletin interface its just too easy for a power hungry mod to pull the trigger, which as we all know will never be reversed as a mod would lose face, thus defeating the purpose of being a power hungry mod to begin with

 

[alasdairm]

In the v bulletin interface its just too easy for a power hungry mod to pull the trigger, which as we all know will never be reversed as a mod would lose face, thus defeating the purpose of being a power hungry mod to begin with

minutes since an infraction was last reversed on bluelight: 63

minutes between that infraction being issued and the infraction being reversed: 43

you're simply wrong.



alasdair

 

[Ceres]

the alternative to having moderated forums is 4chan /b/, which is just a shitstorm of inane rubbish....

 

[Furious George]

minutes since an infraction was last reversed on bluelight: 63

minutes between that infraction being issued and the infraction being reversed: 43

you're simply wrong.


alasdair

That was no doubt atm23 reversing his accidental infraction against me. By and large he's right and we all know it

 

[alasdairm]

By and large he's right and we all know it

i'll agree to disagree.

regards

alasdair

 

[Furious George]

i'll agree to disagree.

regards

alasdair

But will you post an adjusted statistic?

 

[Mailmonkey]

i thought there was a post missing.

For heaven's sake

 

[Furious George]

i thought there was a post missing.

For heaven's sake

Dozens of post are gone. Fortunately nothing has been missed as all they said was "I say Chap, steady on" etc

 

[Allein]

Many posts have been removed for good reason, most of them were probably unseen..maybe a few other got caught in the crossfire, hardly a big deal.

 

[Marmalade]

Many posts have been removed for good reason, most of them were probably unseen..maybe a few other got caught in the crossfire, hardly a big deal.

But if people don't know it's due to crossfire (whatever that is) they're left to make their own reasonable assumptions that they've been purposely deleted. And it's understandable to be bothered about fairly in nocuous posts getting deleted on a whim. It's totally unnecessary to do it and only adds to polarisation and encourages people to have to take sides, which shouldn't be necessary and isn't what people want to do.

As a mod action it actually creates disharmony, and understandably so

 

[Myshkin]

It's at times like these we can pause, draw breath and take solace in the fact this is is, after all's said and done, the internet.

 

[tambourine-man]

*sigh*

There's a lot going on here that, frankly, I don't particularly want to drag out... but I did want to address this little point:

which as we all know will never be reversed as a mod would lose face

Please don't take this the wrong way, but your statement is incorrect and unfair. I would say that nobody gets it right all the time and that ego can prevent impartiality or a willingness to admit a mistake - even more so when you feel you're under a rather hostile microscope. However, infractions are regularly overturned on review. There's a check and a balance against individual mods getting carried away - has been for years.

Running the stats, around about 45-50 infractions per year are reversed. That trend has generally increased year-on-year, although our warning system re-set during the vB3-vB4 upgrade, so pre-2009 figures are ropey. The Support forum has a few public examples of where somebody has argued a point coherently and the infraction was reversed, but the bulk occur via polite conversion in PMs. Parallel to this, a four-year average of 26 bans per year are lifted prior to their expiration, although this annual figure tends to fluctuate more.

Admittedly, these represent a small fraction of the total number of infractions issued (around about 1500 per year, so a reversal rate of about 3%), but then again... there's an awful lot of crap that people feel compelled to post, even if it's at the expense of somebody's thread or (in more serious cases) the safety of the board and its members.

I know its more fun to bash people for being nepotist, but it really doesn't work that way... or, at least, we try to make sure it doesn't without ripping into eachother. It can be difficult to challenge someone for issuing an infraction (especially one that results in an extended ban), but it does happen.

 

[The Liberal Media]

*sigh*

There's a lot going on here that, frankly, I don't particularly want to drag out... but I did want to address this little point:


Please don't take this the wrong way, but your statement is incorrect and unfair. I would say that nobody gets it right all the time and that ego can prevent impartiality or a willingness to admit a mistake - even more so when you feel you're under a rather hostile microscope. However, infractions are regularly overturned on review. There's a check and a balance against individual mods getting carried away - has been for years.

Running the stats, around about 45-50 infractions per year are reversed. That trend has generally increased year-on-year, although our warning system re-set during the vB3-vB4 upgrade, so pre-2009 figures are ropey. The Support forum has a few public examples of where somebody has argued a point coherently and the infraction was reversed, but the bulk occur via polite conversion in PMs. Parallel to this, a four-year average of 26 bans per year are lifted prior to their expiration, although this annual figure tends to fluctuate more.

Admittedly, these represent a small fraction of the total number of infractions issued (around about 1500 per year, so a reversal rate of about 3%), but then again... there's an awful lot of crap that people feel compelled to post, even if it's at the expense of somebody's thread or (in more serious cases) the safety of the board and its members.

I know its more fun to bash people for being nepotist, but it really doesn't work that way... or, at least, we try to make sure it doesn't without ripping into eachother. It can be difficult to challenge someone for issuing an infraction (especially one that results in an extended ban), but it does happen.

But simply by the argument of leeway this is not correct

This whole points banning system is wrong
I dont know what systen you guys use.

Other V bulletin forums are almost nazi like, you get an infraction and the infraction expires after a set period

But then when you get further infractions, the previous infractions are STILL taken into account as regards to your further punishment

Possibly the most idiotic thing I have ever heard
I thought the entire point of the initial ban and "probation" was that you could clear your online rep and come back as a reformed person
From what I am seeing.. the previous transgressions count against you EVEN when your ban is expired.

Sorry but it doesnt work this way in real life, why should it work this way on a forum?

Its like fucking death row on some of these forums, and is sad because its ruining what used to be a great forum a few years ago

 

[Allein]

Driving licenses, criminal records spring to mind, let alone absence records in the work place and ongoing performance management, I'm not sure which world you live in

 

[The Liberal Media]

Driving licenses, criminal records spring to mind, let alone absence records in the work place and ongoing performance management, I'm not sure which world you live in

I live in the same world where probation expires after a certain time frame
Suspended sentances etc

What is the point of banning someone for 3 months and then holding the ban over their head for the entire duration of their membership even when their 3 month ban has expired

Talk about draconian.

Seems to me Bluelight is just following the same template and rules you see at other Vbulletins
The mods here have not an ounce more sense than the mods on those other forums as well.

Shame

 

[Allein]

I live in the same world where probation expirs after a certain time frame
Suspended sentances etc

What is the point of banning someone for 3 months and then holding the ban over their head for the entire duration of their membership even when thier 3 month ban has expired

Talk about draconian.

If you were actually correct you may have a point, all infractions expire after set period of time.

When you really are not in possession of all the facts, it's best not to start making them up.

 

[The Liberal Media]

If you were actually correct you may have a point, all infractions expire after set period of time.

When you really are not in possession of all the facts, it's best not to start making them up.

Well then instead of having your secret mod forum when you and many other mods ( in all probability) talk shit about most of us regulars, why not explain why people get banned?? thats all people are asking for

This is the main bone of contention.

Explain why people are banned and it would stop others from doinng the same.
Silly me... I just realised that if you did that it would deprive mods of bringing the hammer down on us posters whilst creaming themselves to an extent that would put judge dredd to shame