[Ketamine Subthread] The K-Hole

[pofacedhoe]

good k you only need a .1-.2 bump to trip face. i was blowing it like coke.. aka a half g, maybe a bit more. WAYY over the o.d limit. if the k i blew wasnt cut, then id be fucked.

nah you're dramatising your use of k to seem like your dick is big

but i dont care how big your dick is and you weren't gunna die/od

people k hole LONG before they can be in serious danger from it

 

[SaturnStrobe]

Going into a Khole is the next bext thing to space exploration

haha +1, i thought i was in a different universe and didnt know if i was ever coming back

The tolerance thing is right though, i think i built one up and stopped enjoying it as much so stopped it for a while now

 

[Afghan_Tourist]

So yesterday IM close to 300MG K in 50mg batches. (Back to back to back to back....) Never reaching where I wanted. Got up Put the light on and went WHAT THE FUCK. Then went to sleep hours later.

Nothing. Nada. WTF!?

Kinda sad about this... from abstaining from K for such a while at these doses. Before this maybe one recreational night february, another december... small doses no more than 400mg throughout the week for that one week.



My tip to high K tolerance users who want to K-hole that I should have followed in the past rather than injecting myself with so much is:
Take a starter dose of 50mg insufflatted. After 5-10 minutes, do another. Another if necessary. Than IM 100mg.

Another route: Take a sub-plateau dose of DXM an hour before IM 100mg Ketamine.



Tolerance is a bitch that even time won't let up...

Beyond that I find Only IM feels clean but doesn't get me into that place... I figured snorting folllowed by IM was the best way to do it, but it technically should be no different than IM to more IM....
Only solution I see is stopping for over a year and praying that tolerance goes away... Or maybe I've gotten used to High-dose Ketamine response and it simply doesn't do shit to me

Note that I shoot into the shoulder. Like that soft spot on the side of your upper arm for IM. Doctors use no?

Do you reckon a longer needle may be needed? I Used these 1cc needles in the past no problem but this time around, nothing was achieved?

 

[Wedswa]

K-hole or no? How to know

How do you know if you went in a k-hole and how deep of one?

I thought you're to get visuals and all this magical stuff?

I didn't get any visuals - not much of anything.

Took a few hits of K around 7ish Am (i thought they were small)
am
About 20 min later I remember feeling happy, remember people, remember people finding another party

A little after 8am I remember leaving friends party in a good mood & saying bye
- getting in the car & sitting there and I think organizing myself (keys & stuff)
- at some point I think I felt like it was dark outside all of a sudden
- remember feeling like my body was swaying real bad, like a roller coaster ride

- I remember I had to pee, must have thought I was in a bathroom - ended up pissing my pants

That's all I remember.. By text timestamp is how it was.. What the hell was I doing this whole time??? I mean, my mind is blank but I was trying to interact with text messages. I know I was in the car cause I walked to it & woke up in it... But don't remember my whole time in car.

8:30am is when I was texting a friend & it made no sense. (My friend text me later in night & asked if I got home, I was confused what he was talking about as I didn't remember texting him until I went back & looked, then I vaguely remembered texting him back - just remember trying to text

He said he also talked to me on the phone, he said I was calm & chill, nice to him.. Kept asking for him to come cause I didn't wanna be alone.(think I felt scared). And that I felt like my head was spinning out. He kept asking where was I, all I said was "my car", he told me to stay in car and sleep, I said "I like that idea" - that's it

8:50 am I sent text - makes no sense

9:56 am: a friend asked what I was up to
10:56 I responded saying I just woke up (but I wasn't up or I don't remember - this is the only text that makes sense)

11:46 am another friend text
12:20 i respond back, makes no sense

Finally around 1:00pm i actually wake up like feel alert.


I dont remember any visual or if I got any. I didn't think I was even going into a hole, didn't cross my mind. I just passed out I guess?.. I woke up 3-4 hours later in car & just thought I passed out from being tired (had adderall in me, little coke, maybe 3 drinks of liquor & then the final was K)

 

[any major dude]

alcohol & k can cause a bit of amnesiac delirium... Probably the case for all dissociative NMDA antagonists. Can't really say i've ever k-holed proper myself, but judging from what i've read they are a bit difficult to remember. I've wasted a fair bit of MXE doing a cheeky bump or two after getting home from the bar. Always wake up on my couch the next day with tv/computer still on, sometimes a full beer on the coffee table thinking to myself damnit, again?

 

[steingalkrs]

I tend to believe it's like a dream, and you need to be able to remember dreams to remember what is going on. As you get out of the hole you quickly forget what happened. Though I promise you when you were inside you experienced a buck load of shit - like in dreams - just without remembering. Look into lucid dreaming, see if those tricks might help you. Took me like 5-10 holes before realizing the holes for mye own mind... then they came back to me - still hard to remember but atleast I remember them now.

 

[Crashing]

A K-Hole is really amazing. You'll know before and after if you hit the hole, but not usually during, as your perception will be so shifted that you wont remember the idea of reality. Often times you remember certain parts of the experience, but not all.

On another note, if you mixed adderall, coke, and liquor, you would have probably just blacked out for the whole thing. By the way, i certainly suggest never to go mixing adderall, coke, and liquor. Amphetamine + Cocaine is very dangerous enough (blood pressure, heart rate, vasoconstriction), as well as Cocaine + Alcohol which causes coca ethylene to form in the body and is severely toxic. Mixing all three of those sounds like a very high risk move, and although I'm sure many including myself have done it once or twice, i would suggest limiting it to zero.

 

[Jesusgreen]

It's hard to say if you holed or simply blacked out here. The problem with Ketamine and other NMDA antagonist dissociatives is they're wonderful at producing memory loss, and unlike psychedelics, you'll rarely remember more than a few fragments of your trip. In a way that's lucky though, since many of my holes at least feel like they lasted thousands upon thousands of years, and it'd be a struggle finding my real life memories if I remembered the entirety of my holes! 8(

It's possibly you holed and don't remember any of it, it's also possible that you simply blacked out.

Next time if you give Ketamine a try, do it at home in a safe environment - you really don't want to hole out in public as you'll lose all control of your body and can get seriously hurt. Also, avoid combining it with so many other drugs, that's just going to add to the likelihood of blacking out or forgetting the hole - especially adding alcohol to K. My experiences with mixing alcohol and Ketamine are the few K-holes I don't remember a single moment of.

 

[pyro2525]

If you didn't do anymore k past 7 I really don't think you holed after 8. Sounds like passing out drunk. Like others said alcohol + k isn't very great. Your time frame for holing is basically the next hour after you do it.

 

[Obsidius]

would vitamin b6 help remember hole-like experiences? i often find myself confused after "snapping out of it" and sometimes remember every single bit, sometimes only some scenes, sometimes hardly anything than a strange feeling. no alcohol or other things involved.

 

[Mweeks09]

Hmmm, this sounds a bit interesting because the effects of k don't normally last more than 2 hours at most. Sounds a bit like an MXE experience, but if you know that what you did was ketamine, than the only explanation i can give you is that you should not mix K and alcohol ever. My experience from these two mixed it that i feel extremely confused and usually end up falling asleep without actually realizing i had fell asleep. The effect on each other multiplies both of their effects ten fold. I have had one k-hole before, and remember doing the line, waiting about 5 minutes and no being able to see about 20 feet ahead of me. i could only see close things. I then laid down in my tent, as i felt i needed to fall asleep. My mind was completely functioning, while my body would not react to anything my brain was telling it to do. I don't remember much but one vivid visual of the earth pulsing with energy, and having to use my brain to extract that energy to regain the strength to wake up. I felt extremely enlightened when i woke up, as i realized that life is actually a bunch of vibrations, and einstein had figured this out with the e=mc2 formula. The duration of the experience was only about an hour and a half. I think the reason i reached hole was because i snorted a two tenth line, while my tolerance was low, as this was probably only my 5th time using k.

 

[pyro2525]

would vitamin b6 help remember hole-like experiences? i often find myself confused after "snapping out of it" and sometimes remember every single bit, sometimes only some scenes, sometimes hardly anything than a strange feeling. no alcohol or other things involved.

I've never heard of B6 but I have heard of an anecdote that B12 is depleted by k.

Also as for remembering what happened during I think one part of it is how much you use and another part is how you use it. If you use too much then you'll likely not remember it because you're too far gone, there's probably a sweet spot between not being in your body but not being completely anesthetized. It would be hard to get a feeling for this spot since your first dose and second dose will act totally different. Also as a personal anecdote I've never remember a hole from snorting, let alone that being something that could probably even happen, IM has given me the best holes and the high itself feels different from snorting (mind you I had high tolerance before attempting to even hole).

It's much like a dream, sometimes you remember all of it, sometimes you can only remember a picture or a feeling and sometimes nothing but this doesn't mean it didn't happen. Like a dream I would guess you need to recall all that happened as soon as possible or it'll be gone forever, the confused state makes this much harder.

 

[the_doctor46]

K - hole

This is an info question, more than a practical one.
I have always been quite attracted to Ket, I'm not too sure why, although I never got the chance to try it, and I think I never will have it.

I was thinking about the K - hole today, a phenomena which really fascinates me, but which I never quite understood.
Could someone explain to me what happens during a K - hole? Possibly people who have experienced it?
Am I right when I think that the K - hole is the edge of anesthesia or could one go further than that without being completely sedated?

 

[Ismene]

I've had enough K to stun a charging bull elephant and I've never experienced a K hole. It's like most drugs - the more you take the more intense the experience. But you never go down a fucking hole unless you have a very vivid imagination and want to believe you're going down a hole.

The only hole I know of is the A-hole.

 

[azgaza]

In between k-hole and narcose is a space where you are not yet completely gone but you do not form memories anymore so the k-hole is pretty much the most intense point that still is interesting seeing how on a higher dose memory formation kind of stops. A k-hole is hard to describe and it can vary in what you experience too; I personally really like the point júst before a k-hole, where you feel moment that isn't real such as sliding apart of up or down or folding up as if the ketamine is massaging your muslces in a really weird way which then starts to come with interesting closed eye visuals giving the sensation of traveling through strange subconciouss lands. Nice stuff, and easier to remember then real k-holes.

 

[lastest]

I've had enough K to stun a charging bull elephant and I've never experienced a K hole. It's like most drugs - the more you take the more intense the experience. But you never go down a fucking hole unless you have a very vivid imagination and want to believe you're going down a hole.

The only hole I know of is the A-hole.

I have to agree. People talk about the "hole" as some special, magical place. It's not a place at all, it's the feeling of being good and fucked on k. Don't get me wrong, I think that ketamine is great fun and can offer really interesting altered states of conciousness. But I've never been able to see what the concept of the "k hole" really adds. It's just the peak of a strong ketamine trip. You might as well call the peak of a high dose LSD trip the "acid hole."

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Let's all mind our manners and recall the first rule of this subforum.

~Never

It's just the peak of a strong ketamine trip

The hole represents a qualitative shift in the experience that cannot be represented as a linear increase in intensity of the effects felt up to that point, so folks feel it deserves to represented as a separate word/concept. Of course with varying definitions of what constitutes a hole going around, the term is not as clear and useful as it might be.

 

[PlurPsyed]

You loose all track of time, it feels like forever in there. You lose sensation of your body and while I've heard of people having pleasant experiences with it, I found myself in one without expecting it once and it was absolutely terrifying.

 

[MrSqueej]

I honestly found, contrary to what some people here have said, that there are some really special overwhelmingly intense k trips. and its called a hole cuz you truly cannot get a grip on what in the fuck is going on. like sometimes u r so dissasociated it takes u a million infinities to realize that u r on a drug. and i am not kidding. and i always found it to be incredibly fucking loud and this weird metallic death quality. and also sometimes the most truly bizarre things begin to happen when u r in this state... like overwhelmingly fucking bizarre

 

[DubNaut]

if you don't know what a hole is you don't do enough of said dissociates
for me its an anesthetic state where you have to be laying down with your eyes closed