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Jimmy Savile (aka: paedo speculation megathread)

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atm23 said:
I would very much like to think people like that are rare, most crimes of this type are committed by people known to the victim and not random dossier roaming our streets.
Statistics are pretty much useless given the numerous incidents that inevitably go unreported.
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I don't think you can separate the two, Mr Savile was 'known' to his victims. Be it a celebrity, neighbour, sports coach or uncle as you say it goes unreported and there's a lot of work to be doen in dealing with this issue and making young people feel they can speak out and they will be listened to. False allegations are so awful but a proper process for assesing and dealing with reports would help avoid them, at the moment everyones just making it up as they go along and its the children who are suffering.

I remember when I was a kid my mum telling my dad off for giving a kid a lift somewhere, they discussed it for ages, her saying he shouldn't and he saying he should out of principle. And when I was a kid this old guy picked me up off the bus stop and insisted on giving me his wallet to hold for the duration of the drive as security, for me or for him I'm not sure but we had a long chat about how a previous girl he gave a lift to ripped her shirt and blackmailed him for cash. Maybe he was a nice old guy, maybe I was being groomed and he hoped I'd be out on the bus stop again.

It is sad for guys particularly atm23, I totally agree.
 
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swedger77 said:
i ve read what you posted Kate but did not really get what your trying to say.
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I think I'm really crap at communicating through this medium. B&W has said it well.

I've got more than i should say - about sexual abuse and young girls in the 70's / 80's related to this. But can not find the words to say it, Grrr

Thank you for your consideration and manners swedger77.
 
YellowPolkaDotHalo said:
Oh gawd I know what you mean Kate.<3
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Thank you so much Yellow - knowing what I mean must also transpire into knowing how difficult it is to communicate it to the "male" masses...where there is no listening or kind ear, only a judgemental one, ole boys dialogue, lets have a laugh at this one..ear :\
 
Thank you so much Yellow - knowing what I mean must also transpire into knowing how difficult it is to communicate it to the "male" masses...where there is no listening or kind ear, only a judgemental one, ole boys dialogue, lets have a laugh at this one..ear
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Kate you're talking in gibberish that's why no one knows what you're on about or ignoring your posts. The only person being judged here is Jimmy Saville, no one is laughing at or judging the victims of all of this.
 
Kate, I know what you mean and it's the main reason I backed out early from the thread.

As I mentioned in my post, getting a degree of shared meaning and terms (ie: tone and understanding) is virtually impossible, and that's before you factor in the numpty factor. And while most people are considerate, terminology and expression is exceptionally sensitive in these matters.

Also, I don't trust certain posters to be able to exercise discretion in their replies, or not use it for banter purposes at future times. To reveal sensitive information about yourself and people you know and have it exploited at another time is not something I would feel confident not to happen, under the guise of banter or whatnot, so I ducked out early.

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Engaging in this kind of topic to a worthwhile level takes tons of time to mull over and think and then writing an opinion down with proper respect to the topic and those who've replied considerately (as well to those in the experiences you choose to recall for examples). I don't have the patience to respond in the correct and calm way either if I feel people have taken cheap shots or been lazy themselves with how they've engaged.

So for those reasons I felt it was best for me not to continue with it
 
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Marmalade said:
Kate, I know what you mean and it's the main reason I backed out early from the thread.

As I mentioned in my post, getting a degree of shared meaning and terms (ie: tone and understanding) is virtually impossible, and that's before you factor in the numpty factor. And while most people are considerate, terminology and expression is exceptionally sensitive in these matters.

Also, I don't trust certain posters to be able to exercise discretion in their replies, or not use it for banter purposes at future times. To reveal sensitive information about yourself and people you know and have it exploited at another time is not something I would feel confident not to happen, under the guise of banter or whatnot, so I ducked out early
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Your advice is timely and appropriate here. I will do so too, and heed your advice. ...Though I still feel the lack of input / voice is continuing the culture of ignorance and misunderstanding / miss- understanding / mis-education. If they even care.

Thank you Marmz <3 I have a lonely small voice here :( Glad to know the women can hear it <3

I'm out too.
 
It looks like the whole thing is developing into a cash grab with the BBC and NHS (i.e the tax payer) having to payout to alleged victims. If the number of claimants keep rising maybe we'll see those tacky ads on Dave and Viva, you know the ones which milk accidents at work and payment protection miss selling..."Were you touched up by Jimmy Saville? Don't suffer in silence, we can help..."

I think a firm line should be taken, no semen stain no lucre missy.
 
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I posted here earlier but deleted it because I didn't want to imply anything or make anyone feel uncomfortable, I don't know enough about the subject go to shooting my mouth off.

it's just an all round difficult subject but talking is communicating and thats everything.
 
I agree largely B&W (about it being important to keep communication lines open) and for the most part the thread serves a purpose, but it's pretty surface level (in context with the subject matter), and that's okay in itself. It should be discussed, and it's relevant on that level as it stands as a news story (I saw your post btw, but can't remember much of it and it was gone before I went back to reread)

However, when it comes to getting beyond that and discussing the subject in a way that's more than just the news story, then quantifying opinions and discussing terminologies and key concepts etc really dictates the recalling of experiences, or in the very least comparing and contrasting examples to get a personal opinion across. And also it's a really complex and intricate topic with losts of layers and potential for misunderstandings, which doesn't work so well in EADDs current climate imo. It's easy to both cause offence, and feel offended, and to react inappropriately as well as be inappropriate.

For me to get inolved on a personal level, there needs to be a certain set of rules of engagement in a way, and that's never gonna happen here. The majority are fine, but there are some who have never observed such an approach in any topic they discuss.

Just in case what I've written doesn't make sense, as examples of posters, I'd say Jancrow, Knock, atm23 & Shambles are all posters I'd say are really good at understanding those (unwritten) 'rules' and understanding the boundaries of what I'm talking about.

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also, this is just my take on why I stopped being involved with the general discussion - I hope it doesn't stop other people from expressing their personal stories or information if they want or feel able to. I offered my take on why, mainly just to offer some support and relativity to Kate, because I didn't want her to feel isolated with her concerns as I'd had them too.
 
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Marmalade said:
As I mentioned in my post, getting a degree of shared meaning and terms (ie: tone and understanding) is virtually impossible, and that's before you factor in the numpty factor. And while most people are considerate, terminology and expression is exceptionally sensitive in these matters.

Also, I don't trust certain posters to be able to exercise discretion in their replies, or not use it for banter purposes at future times. To reveal sensitive information about yourself and people you know and have it exploited at another time is not something I would feel confident not to happen, under the guise of banter or whatnot, so I ducked out early.
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Your post is full of hypocritical bullshit.
 
Has anyone yet speculated on whether Savile was himself abused as a child? His relationship with his mother certainly seems to have been an odd one.

A victim reports how, when 13 and in a hospital bed, Savile forced his tongue down her throat. In a way,.that's weirder than if it had been his thrillhammer. Surely the old creep wasn't looking for love?
 
badandwicked said:
I don't think you can separate the two, Mr Savile was 'known' to his victims. Be it a celebrity, neighbour, sports coach or uncle
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I agree, I wasn't ruling out celebrities of this type but given the percentage of the population they represent I doubt there is a significant number that carry out this crime, although they will of course gain much greater amounts of publicity.

I do believe that much more of this goes on than is reported, how we combat that as a society without demonising men and/or homosexuals, which is what tends to happen IME I really don't know.
 
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