Heroin plugged / intravenous - What happened to my high?

[Blake7]

First a bit of background. I took a bit of a heroic dose of 25I-NBOMe a little while ago which produced an intense experience. Tolerance has made subsequent experiences disappointing. I've had a few multi-day sessions of compulsively redosed IV ethylphenidate over the last month but pretty much every vein I've used is now a no-go. My last session involved a mix of oral and plugged doses. A vein I hadn't used for a few weeks looked like it would again take a needle so thought I'd stick some heroin in it for a change (yeah I know, whatever) which I'd chased once and on which had had a really euphoric experience though it had made me pretty sick for the first hour.

I tried to IV 30mg of #3 heroin, prepped with Vit C but the vein collapsed as soon as I touched the plunger so I just removed the needle and plugged it. I waited an hour, nothing. I plugged another 50mg and waited an hour and a half, nothing. With a rectal BA of 55%, I'd plugged equivalent to 44mg IV which being opiate naive, should have got me pretty high yet I felt nothing. I'd say the most likely explanation for this is that plugging ethylphenidate seriously affected my ability to absorb any drug rectally, at least in the short term. Disappointed, I had a little looksy for a viable vein and to my surprise, found that a big one that a couple of weeks ago had been hard to find, was there, good as new. Result!

I IV'd 50mg (no I have no idea why I didn't go for 30mg, frustration probably) and got a decent rush with a brief nod and then....well...nothing in particular. The expected nausea soon hit me and I was sick a few times but I soon got bored with it and lay down with my eyes shut. No nausea, no high, nothing much at all. I just lay there for hours listening to the radio. I must have nodded out a bit as I remember coming-to a few times with a sharp intake of breath from respiratory depression. I got up to answer a text message 8 1/2 hours after my shot and soon started to be sick again. My eyes were still really pinned. I must have had a lot of H still in my system but didn't feel high. I bashed out my text message with my head over the loo then headed straight back to bed and that's it really. I awoke this morning like nothing had happened.

So what happened to my high? Where did it go? Given the physical effects, I should have been on cloud 9. I feel conned. Was I so high that I felt sober? One conclusion I can come to is that there was some kind of cross tolerance issue with 25I-NBOMe but from my limited understanding of these two drugs, this seems unlikely if not impossible. As the ethylphenidate still gets me high and as I've not noticed any tolerance issues, I don't see that this could come in to play. The only other possibility I can think of is that the plugged doses somehow detracted from the IV'd dose but I don't see how this could have happened given that I couldn't feel them.

Any ideas?

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Hmm, that is an interesting puzzle. So to be clear I understand, in brief, you currently have no opioid tolerance and have not used any opioids at all recently, you tried plugging some heroin - that is the same heroin you've used before with good results - felt nothing, then 1.5 hrs after your last plugged dose you tried injecting some, and got all the usual opioid effects except for euphoria - is that correct?

This might get better responses in Other Drugs, since it's not a really basic question - would you like it to be moved there?

As far as I know, 25I-NBOMe is not known to have a cross-tolerance with opioids, (but it's not like 25I-NBOMe has been extremely well-studied, it had nearly no history of human use prior to 2010 when it became available online). I'm inclined to go more with your theory that the plugged doses somehow detracted from the IV'd dose. But I'm not sure if that is possible without feeling the plugged dose - I'm inclined to say it might be possible, because when I was on methadone and using heroin it decreased the high from the heroin even though I felt absolutely nothing from the methadone (aside from relief of withdrawals), and it wasn't just a tolerance issue because if I went even 5 or 10 hours longer without the methadone I would feel the effects of the heroin much more strongly.

 

[Blake7]

Yes your take on this is spot on. I've only ever done heroin once before which was about 60/70mg chased off foil a year and a half ago. I took a couple of 8/200 codeine/ibuprofen a week or two ago but that's about all this year. Obviously I've not tried this heroin before but it is rated as good quality by others and the physical effects from the IV dose would seem to confirm this beyond any doubt. It just totally lacked euphoria. It was the 25I related speculation that pointed me towards BDD so if we're discounting that then yes, please move to OD. Thanks

BTW I'm using Sterifilt before you ask

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Oh I did get one thing wrong - I thought you meant you'd tried this particular heroin before. Others saying it's good In my experience doesn't necessarily always mean it is/ will be for you.

I'm not discounting the possibility of some sort of cross-tolerance or other interaction, just saying I don't know of any.

I think discussion of 25I-NBOMe by itself would generally go in PD, not BDD, but since opiates are the primary topic of your post OD would probably be the best place for it.

BDD -> OD

 

[Blake7]

^^ I'd ignore the bit about plugging. That just didn't work. Otherwise I'm comparing two different ROA's and two different proportional doses That said, is it plausible that I could find chasing extremely euphoric and a relatively higher IV dose totally non-euphoric? The first time left me obsessing over it for weeks. The second time has left me feeling totally indifferent towards it. Just doesn't make any sense to me. I'm not saying it's any bad thing though. In fact it pleases me now I come to think about it.

 

[backroll]

putting english heroin in your bottom will never work for anyone. Stick to smoking it and leave those veins alone!

 

[Blake7]

putting english heroin in your bottom will never work for anyone. Stick to smoking it and leave those veins alone!

Prepped it with vit C so it should have been just as bioavailable as any #4. I'll continue to blame the ethylphenidate for now. It has much to answer for. Disability prevents chasing and spotting sounds a bit wasteful. I'm not sure I can be doing with it.

Update - 50 hours later, I tried 25mg IV. Mild rush, interesting psychedelic visuals when looking at the square corrugated roof on a building opposite that lasted a while, bit of physical warmth, bit of a mood lift with a brief 'hint' of something euphoric. T'was a low enough dose to avoid sickness though a bit of nausea did set in after a while so lay down for a bit. I might try dosing every other day for a bit and try to get past the nausea to see if there's anything more to be had. I have my doubts TBH but I might as well dabble with the remaining 345mg till it's gone. I'll let you know if anything interesting happens in the meantime.

The first time I tried it, I'd had a bit of a traumatic experience a few weeks beforehand and maybe that's why it was so good. It might just have been "a time and a place".

Postscript - Tried spotting. God it tasted hideous and my flat stinks! That was just horrid! I guess I burnt it too quickly which didn't help. I'll try again another day but if that's as good as it gets, I'll just stick with the pin thank you and save my taste buds, my lungs and the air I'm breathing.

 

[tricomb]

It sounds like the heroin was weak.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

is it plausible that I could find chasing extremely euphoric and a relatively higher IV dose totally non-euphoric?

Yes, it's different heroin: with street heroin you never know how pure it is, what it's cut with or whether it's even definitely heroin. And there are so many factors that can affect how you react to it, even if it were the same heroin, such as differences in your metabolism, other drugs you've taken, your mood, what you've eaten and when, your environment and situation, how long ago you last used heroin or other opioids, etc.

 

[Blake7]

It sounds like the heroin was weak.

Yes, it's different heroin: with street heroin you never know how pure it is, what it's cut with or whether it's even definitely heroin. And there are so many factors that can affect how you react to it, even if it were the same heroin, such as differences in your metabolism, other drugs you've taken, your mood, what you've eaten and when, your environment and situation, how long ago you last used heroin or other opioids, etc.

The only way to answer these questions would be to procure from a different source for comparison and TBH I really couldn't be less interested. That said, if the quality wasn't up to scratch in the opinion of others, I would know about it and no one has had a bad word to say. Happy customers of this batch abound. Nuff said, can't elaborate. The likely outcome I think is that I just end up putting the whole thing behind me which in the great grand scheme of things would be close to the best of all possible conclusions with my curiosity satisfied as much as it's ever likely to be.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

^Well as I said, in my experience other people saying it's good does not guarantee that it will be strong/euphoric for you, but you're right, there is no way to know if it was something to do with that particular heroin without trying other heroin for comparison. I think your idea of just letting it go and hopefully not injecting heroin anymore would be ideal

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

I bet the sickness simply had a large presence, disabling any feelings of being high

or at least that's part of it

 

[Blake7]

I bet the sickness simply had a large presence, disabling any feelings of being high

or at least that's part of it

That did cross my mind but I didn't feel sick while laying horizontal, neither did I feel high

^Well as I said, in my experience other people saying it's good does not guarantee that it will be strong/euphoric for you

Yes I see what you mean. I was missing your specific point. Sorry, bit slow tonight. Different drugs I guess. Come back ethylphenidate, all is forgiven. Only joking

I think your idea of just letting it go and hopefully not injecting heroin anymore would be ideal

Not quite there yet and I really don't see me exclusively spotting off foil till it's gone but I will give it a fair shot at least once. It may just be coincidence and it may have nothing to do with IV'ing H but my venous system appears to have visibly improved over the last few days. A slightly swollen, discoloured area on my lower calf, left over from my last rectal/orally dosed EPH session just over a week ago looks noticeably better as well. It's a funny old world isn't it?