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Dosing two first time rollers...

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About the fifth thread I've made on the topic of this upcoming roll, not sure if i'm just being safe or obsessive because this is the biggest festival/first time i've rolled good in years.

Me and my buddy are going with two girls to Freaknight in seattle yadda yadda yadda.

Me and him have somewhat equivalent experiences with psychs/drugs in general. We can handle our shit and know what to do if we feel we can't or something might be going bad, trouble, etc.

These two girls, have never rolled or taken anything beyond smoking weed and drinking.

One girl at Kaskade had eaten washington's local "molly". As you can imagine, nothing happened. Placebo from the way she described it. As the 3 others who took the same stuff felt nothing.

These girls are both 17/18, our age, and pretty mature. I told them there is no pressure to take it, and I understand if they don't want to, but they insisted they want to.

So to me and my buddy; sick, two of the most attractive girls we know wanna roll with us and then hit a hotel afterwards, sweet. Not paying mush thought to negatives here.

In class the other day I began discussing plans for that night with this other girl I knew, going with a completely different group, she is probably more experienced than I am. She asked "Are R. And A. taking molly too?!". I sort of shrugged and said yeah, she almost laughed in disbelief and said something about them being drug virgins and dunno if they could deal with it. At first I thought; oh typical someone trying to act cool for their longer drug use than someone else. But then she tossed forward the very typical way people get in trouble here...

One of the girls gets scared, separated, freaks out, gets caught. And once questioned gives the whole "so-so gave it to me!! I don't know!". That whole shin-dig. That sort of made me feel a bit reluctant...

I'll definitely give them a talk about what it's gonna be like, and to not lose contact with me or my friend, stay calm (although I don't wanna give their minds ammunition for a hard time?). And I know it's just molly, but this gonna be really fucking pure molly, and I can imagine not ever having consumed more than alcohol or weed and then being thrown into rolling tits in a very loud, very crowded, very dark, intense lightshow environment. Hell, I don't even think the second one has ever smoked pot...

This could all go really good, and I'm leaving it up to them as I stand by the whole never give someone drugs unless they know what they're doing or ask. But I got this odd anxiety of one flipping out, getting caught up by the security, and then pursuing me and my buddy.... As stated by the website of this event very clearly.

"The use or possession of any illegal drugs will not be tolerated anywhere inside or outside the venue. Narcotics officers will be working both areas and enforcing all drug related laws. Do not bring any illegal substances to the event as violators will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If you are found intoxicated at the door security will not allow you to enter the venue."

So in the case they do take it. They are both very small females, limited to no drug use ever, probably 110-120 pounds give or take, how much do I give them of pure MDMA? I feel like a 100mg point would out them on their asses.

Suggestions? I know this is really a decision to be made between the four of us, but any advice, experiences, or tips would be greatly appreciated.
 
I fully understand your dilemma. I undertand the risks if you fuck it up.

I also understand the potential "hotel" rewards if you get it right.

Some will disagree with me but I would say for two small first time females 60mG. Ideally with a 40mG x2 boost cap you can stash somewhere if 60mG is not enough.

many pills in the 90s were just 60mG MDMA and my first pill was a dove many of which tested for 60mG mdma. It is likely this was my first ever dose. The feeling was amazing with no major issues.

If there is a lot of LE around you dont want them totally off their tits either.

Also with the potential rewards back at the hotel you dont want them too burnt out either.

Thats my thoughts :)

I wish I had such a terrible dilemma :D :D
 
Hahaha, the hotel is hardly something I care about, just something to think about. One had a boyfriend, and the other just broke with hers or at least something went down. I'm not super close with the one with the boyfriend, the one who is more reluctant to take it, the same one who has never smoked. But in reality, we're just friends here, if something happened at the hotel, I'd be greatly surprised, if not guilty afterwards haha.

I mostly want them to have a good time and see the beauty of MDMA while having ZERO issues, at all. We CANNOT get in trouble, that would literally be the end of my life... Are you SURE 60mg would really do anything? that sound incredibly low. Although, many of the point i've nabbed at events/street have probably been at that amount or less..

Hm, hard to tell here...
 
I'd be greatly surprised, if not guilty afterwards haha.
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I think the key to success on this level would be dont get too fucked just enough ;)

I mostly want them to have a good time and see the beauty of MDMA while having ZERO issues, at all. We CANNOT get in trouble, that would literally be the end of my life... Are you SURE 60mg would really do anything? that sound incredibly low. Although, many of the point i've nabbed at events/street have probably been at that amount or less..
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If its a solid source and relatively pure MDMA then yes 60mG in my opinion is fine.

If you can afford to stash a booster then just have a x2 40mG on standby. I am sure some will argue that you need the full 100mG at once. We debate it on here all the time.

At the end of it all it will fall down to opinions and you have to kind of add your own ideas as well.

that sound incredibly low.
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Yes I am sure it does compared to Bomb 250s, defqons, questionmarks, speakers etc. However, unfortunately any USA based pills you rarely know the exact doses due to the horrible DEA restriction on ecstasydata. You only see the doses on the euro pills that in my opinion gives a very unbalanced overall view of what the average doses are.

If you could see the doses I suspect you would see a lot more 60-100mG pills. Unfortunately we can only speculate. Pillreports helps to a point but its still relies on user opinions. Some will of course be clueless so the pill report data on dose is a little limited.

Take a look at some 90s pill report GCMS data and you will see what I mean. I think we were the same kind of humans in the 90s unless you guys inherited some kind of pre MDMA tollerance :D
 
I agree with Futura's advice. My first few times was probably just about 80mg and I'm a female, 5'7" and almost 150lbs... (similar body make-up somewhere between Kate Winslet and Christina Hendricks... I say this because a lot of guys mis-judge women's weight so if the girls don't tell you exactly how they weigh, you may be able to base their dose off of having a good indicator of what you think their body-type is). I was just fine with 80mg, and if a girl was 20lbs lighter than me or a few inches shorter than me, she should be just fine with 60mg.

Don't be afraid to give them a small dose because it's their first time, this decreases the chance that they'll act stupid and run off and freak out and cause problems, this will probably make them more comfortable and better able to enjoy everything, etc. Especially if it's very pure! I'd say 60mg is perfect.
 
I'd agree with Sam. Give them 80 mgs. 100 might have them rolling really nice but you don't want them floored at an event. 60 is too small. Yea they'll feel it but its not going to be as nice as 80 - 100. Don't be so pessimistic you are already buying drugs and taking them at an open venue, so your already risking your ass. Obviously your life won't be over if anything happens because then why the fuck would you be that stupid? Be optimistic :)
 
As possibly one of the few fathers on here who has actually raised happy daughters, your plan to get them high and then take them to a hotel room leaves me thinking you are not a man,
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lol I think it was me square with all the fantasy chat. The op seems pretty genuine in his motives :)

I am sure some will argue that you need the full 100mG at once. We debate it on here all the time.

At the end of it all it will fall down to opinions and you have to kind of add your own ideas as well.
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I told you so :D
 
futura2012 said:
I told you so :D
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When thinking of doses for people, you should try and keep the law of diminishing returns in mind... Obviously, it's best to take the side of caution, especially with new rollers... but if you get them to take too small a dose, they might get that weird anxious feeling that comes with dosing too low.... but too much, and it's an obvious overdose!

So where do you draw the line between safety and getting FUCKED UP..? For me, that's 75mg. I would personally never recommend someone to dose under 75mg, but at that level you should get all the effects you want... albeit light effects, but you would at least be able to feel it instead of just having an annoying edge to the night :\


in this situation, 80mg seems perfect to me. Seems like others would agree!
 
I am sure some will argue that you need the full 100mG at once. We debate it on here all the time.

At the end of it all it will fall down to opinions and you have to kind of add your own ideas as well.
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^^ By disagreeing and expressing a different opinion you are actually agreeing with what I originally said. :D


Are you saying here that your opinion is the only one that is correct??
 
futura2012 said:
Are you saying here that your opinion is the only one that is correct??
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Of course not!!!!!!

Your opinion is just as important as mine. Maybe even more so.... but perhaps if you just think of the law of diminishing returns while thinking of that opinion, maybe it could be put to even better use? That's just me talking.. and I'm drunk, so I wouldn't pay too much attention to it.


Remember, we don't want to underdose people... we always want to take the side of caution, but we don't want to take it too far!


In the end, it all comes down to what the individuals want. Maybe he would rather just go with 60mg, that would certainly not be overpowering for anyone... but if the dose is TOO low, it almost creates problems in itself, that's all I'm trying to say.

Does that make a bit more sense?
 
patra said:
I agree with Futura's advice. My first few times was probably just about 80mg and I'm a female, 5'7" and almost 150lbs... (similar body make-up somewhere between Kate Winslet and Christina Hendricks... I say this because a lot of guys mis-judge women's weight so if the girls don't tell you exactly how they weigh, you may be able to base their dose off of having a good indicator of what you think their body-type is). I was just fine with 80mg, and if a girl was 20lbs lighter than me or a few inches shorter than me, she should be just fine with 60mg.

Don't be afraid to give them a small dose because it's their first time, this decreases the chance that they'll act stupid and run off and freak out and cause problems, this will probably make them more comfortable and better able to enjoy everything, etc. Especially if it's very pure! I'd say 60mg is perfect.
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They're both almost identical body types, more of a paris hilton, maybe skinnier. and probably 5'5" ish.

squarerootof23 said:
I am very torn here.......

You are clearly concerned for their wellbeing, I commend you for that, to me that shows you have decency inside you. And yet......

As possibly one of the few fathers on here who has actually raised happy daughters, your plan to get them high and then take them to a hotel room leaves me thinking you are not a man, and I regard you with contempt. Oh well, see how the night goes, maybe seventeen years from now you'll have a daughter some boy will be wanting to "take to a hotel room"....

Yep, I'm being judgemental.
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You're misunderstanding entirely...

I have no intention to get them high and then "work with that", these are my close friends, just friends. At a young age I consumed MDMA and stand by that it changed my life, I'd like to share that change with others.

You'd rather I have one of them drive us all back to my town 2 hours away at 5am high on MDMA?

No, didn't think so, we're just crashing their, we'd get separate rooms but 130 for a single room is as cheap as it gets. I was mainly pointing out that, yes, when high on MDMA things *can* get weird. Not that I suspect much of us will have any intentions other than sleeping after 8.5 hours of raving on clean MDMA.

I appreciate your concern, but you didn't have to say it like that at all. Being 17 myself I'd expect more out of an adult with "happy daughters".
 
As it happens i took 85mg once and didnt really feel it,
I did but i didnt. It was there but it werent.

Then again im not used to a mild experience LOL

and id taken valium and i wasnt at a rave so...
 
I'm glad everyone is playing nice now.

It seems to me that the first time on MDMA might be safer at someone's house or apartment. A nice controlled familiar setting with safe guards in place should anything unusual occur. You did say that they were insistent upon taking it? Perhaps you could steer them towards a non-public spot where you can have the things you want around.

Dosage? Everyone is different, but my first dose was 120 mgs of lab grade MDMA and I thought that seemed just about right. Weight was around 145 lbs then. So maybe down to 90-100 mgs makes sense to me although personal biochemistry, what they have eaten during the day, and their own expectations play a huge role here.

Stay and play safe
 
90 - 150mg seems to be the sweet point for most users (the 150mgs are normally for frequent users or people built like a truck).

I could only advise to err on the side of caution and suggest a smaller dose with the option to 'top up' (yes I understand the dangers of double dosing etc) as too take too much and be stuck to the floor and miss the event (or the other risks of taking too much).

Advise them that they should start off at the lower end of the scale and work up - lets face it if they are used to going to event sober and they take 90mgs of fire molly there going to have fun.
 
100mg would be enough and it's unlikely anything below 150mg would cause any problems

just keep an eye on them when they come up that's the only bit you need to worry about
 
mmmm 150mg... lets them have an amazing night ;) show them the full effect... I've noticed this whole cautious thing just lowers the E-amazing ness of the night. Me n my girls are small people. She would always does half my dose... she manned up and dosed 150mg + boosters and thanked me for it lol
 
Also I know a girl who does 0.2-0.25 bombs usually.

Granted, she's an absolute mess and she's tripping balls (and she throws up on the comeup), but after she comes up she has an amazing time and there's no bad times at all.
 
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