How guilty am I? Someone died after using the morphine I sold them.

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I sell my morphine every single month, 75 percent of it. I tell my self I NEED the money but I know if I got put in jail Id tell myself the extra grande could of been done without. (its more than I even make a month) - I only have 3 people I sell to and they are basically friends now. One of my friends buys alot (I actually sell someone elses morphine too, 200ml ones that I get for 10 bucks and sell for 60 bucks) -- she buys it for herself but mostly for her mom who is 400 pounds and has lots of health issues but only 50yrs old. Shes been coming to me for almost 2 years. Well one morning she found her mom dead and even tho she is in denial about it, Im 99 percent sure she died of asphyxiation and or just from being medicated too much. She was never gave an autopsy or a drug test and nothing came of the whole thing. But I feel Horrible. I had just assumed that people know their limits and well fuck, its morphine and of course someone could die! - yet, here I am, still selling to her and her dad months later. These are regular people to me, they do not act like those pill heads on intervention that cant even talk or hold their heads up. They are not fiends or flakes or "bad" or else I would have nothing to do with them. They take it orally only. But I had never met the mom, she was bed ribbon or chair ridden and they used to buy A heck of a lot more. Ive just not been able to talk about this to anyone. Im home in my own world, not the druggy world at all and sometimes I feel like Im not doing anything wrong, but fact is, a woman died, my friend is very sad and motherless at 25yrs old and obviously she is addicted and Im a part of it. I Know they were using long before they met me and would of got it even if it wasnt from me and in fact she says that ever since shes been able to come to be consistent for almost two years now that its been so much better for them not having to deal with scumbags and unhealthy or skeevy situations. The entire family has been clean from smoking meth for 4 years now, they obviously just switched addictions from that to pills tho. If something happens to my friend or even her dad, how could I live with myself. I would def think the 600 to 700 they spend a month was not worth it then would I! I dont think her addiction is that bad at all, but... people die all the time I hear on the news. Drug dealers are filth. And Im one of them I guess is the truth.
 
Since there was no autopsy (which is unusual for a 50 y/o human) you will never know for sure on this one. I had a friend who sold his Fentanyl 100mcg patches.He sold one to a coworker and she died. He was at first charged with 2nd degree murder but pled out to involuntary manslaughter and served 4.8 years on a 7 year sentence. You might hear from people who will tell you it's not your fault,the buyer should beware etc. I'm not going to sniff your farts and tell you they don't stink.If you sell to someone and they die and if there is an inquiry (autopsy) and morphine is the culprit you could and probably will be looked at. I know you think,well I sell to friends and they won't rat me out. Bullshit!! I've done 9 years of my 48 years in prison because of "friends". You could be charged with anything from 1st degree murder to indifference to human life. Even if you get a good lawyer and walk the expense and hassle of going to court outweighs your financial gains. Do what you want but from your post you don't have the conscience to sell drugs (a good thing!!). Good luck brother
 
While this is a personal debate you're going to have to have in full with yourself, I can only say one thing:

Personal accountability. If you buy drugs willingly and ingest substances illegally, you are essentially signing on the dotted line to accept the full gamut of possible consequences, including death. I've never once bought into the notion that the dealer is ultimately responsible because that goes against my core beliefs as a human being. We all make our choices, whatever they may be, and ultimately must accept the consequences, not pawn them off on others. If they didn't buy from the OP, they would have bought from someone else. It's just the way it is.

If I burn myself on McDonald's coffee, I don't sue McDonalds for my own stupidity.

With that said, it takes a certain kind of person to be able to sell drugs guilt free, and I don't think the OP is it (again, a good thing). I think this situation presents a wake up call for you to maybe make some life changes.

You're certainly culpable should morphine be detected, but that's an aspect of our legal system I vehemently oppose. Locking you up for dealing is one thing, but you didn't force anything down anyone's throat. They sought YOU out. They CHOSE to ingest the pills without the consent of a doctor.

Just as every time I bitch and moan about going through withdrawals, I know at the end of the day I have nobody to thank but myself. Even with my injuries and prescriptions, I still CHOSE to abuse them.
 
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+1^^

50 years old=more than grown.

as long as she was grown and mentally capable
of making her own decisions..then no one forced her.
i see it as giving her respect..tbh.
if i were her..
i'd want anyone wondering to know that i took personal
responsibility for my own choices.
i'd be the one to blame..no one else.

i really don't understand the other way of thinking.
the decisions i make..make me who i am.
 
First a legal perspective: I can only give you advice with regard to the law of my country. In a criminal charge of murder the elements are the unlawful and intentional killing of person. There would likely be 2 competent verdicts(amongst a few others):

1. Murder: Even though you did not intentionally kill her. You did have intention in the form of dolus eventualis - you anticipated the possible outcome of your actions but proceeded anyway. This would in some cases satisfy the intention requirement.

2. The lesser charge of manslaughter which relates to the unintentional/negligent causing of the death of another human being.

Don't have my books with me, but that's what I can give you off the top of my head.

I say again you follow an anglo-american legal system where as mine is different.

Nothing will likely come of this so you needn't be scared. Also if it did practically any old shitty lawyer would be able to get you're charges set aside.

From a moral stand point if she didn't get the morphine from you she would have got it from someone else. Nothing on earth can stop a junkie from scoring (quote from Drugstore Cowboy).
 
While this is a personal debate you're going to have to have in full with yourself, I can only say one thing:

Personal accountability. If you buy drugs willingly and ingest substances illegally, you are essentially signing on the dotted line to accept the full gamut of possible consequences, including death. I've never once bought into the notion that the dealer is ultimately responsible because that goes against my core beliefs as a human being. We all make our choices, whatever they may be, and ultimately must accept the consequences, not pawn them off on others. If they didn't buy from the OP, they would have bought from someone else. It's just the way it is.

If I burn myself on McDonald's coffee, I don't sue McDonalds for my own stupidity.

With that said, it takes a certain kind of person to be able to sell drugs guilt free, and I don't think the OP is it (again, a good thing). I think this situation presents a wake up call for you to maybe make some life changes.

You're certainly culpable should morphine be detected, but that's an aspect of our legal system I vehemently oppose. Locking you up for dealing is one thing, but you didn't force anything down anyone's throat. They sought YOU out. They CHOSE to ingest the pills without the consent of a doctor.

Just as every time I bitch and moan about going through withdrawals, I know at the end of the day I have nobody to thank but myself. Even with my injuries and prescriptions, I still CHOSE to abuse them.

This. Sorry for the long post, but death and survivor's guilt can't be addressed with one-liners. I believe in legalisation - but with the caveat that when we choose to use drugs, medicinally or recreationally or both, we're signing up to the full risk of side effects that come with them. In responsible mode, I've refused prescriptions that had potential side-effects I wasn't going to risk: but would have taken and abused them if they'd had abuse potential. In normal mode, I rarely turn down my drugs of choice - the operative word being CHOICE. You're talking about an adult, who was fully grown and already using when you became her source, and it sounds like, as you wrote, she would have used anyway, and possibly encountered greater dangers from dealing with scuzzfucks or getting herself/her daughter arrested scoring. Shulgin had it right: when it comes to our own bodies, we are the customs agent, the police, the executive authority, we decide what comes in - and we live or die with the consequences of our choices. You weren't selling smack on the playground, you didn't push the pills down her throat: the ultimate responsibility for such a death is with the departed.

In '03, a close friend died from a binge on rock and H that overwhelmed an undetected cardiac deficiency: I wasn't with him that night, didn't know he'd started into opiates, and he was a brilliant intellectual, successful attorney and proud young man who made his own choices. Still, I knew that I'd bragged about using rock and H, done MDXX, speed and acid with him in the old days, and we were the mad men of the crowd: where others did lines, we did grams. Where others took halves, we double-dropped and chomped shrooms or 'cid on top. Later on, when the crowd 'grew up', got jobs and switched from rave drugs to booze and coke (or booze, benzos, junk and weed, in my case), he became a pretty hardcore weekend warrior on coke, and I didn't turn down the lines he cut me. It never occurred to me that my stupid, youthful boasts of hard drug use might have an effect on him - not that we were competitive about our drug intake, but he heard a friend he respected tell war stories of speedballing, and, in retrospect, must have thought, on some level, that if I could do it and walk away, then so would he. I never said 'smoke street H on the comedown from powder and rock', I only smoked rock with him once, and had the impression it wasa very occasional indulgence for him...but still, I was tortured by guilt after his death. I'd been, inadvertantly, a shitty-friend-by-example...but if I'd been with him that night, I would have slowed him down on the rock and vetoed the H. I can never forget his saying, the one time we smoked together, 'let's do a rock in one hit', and my responding 'Xxxx, man, that's going out begging for heart failure,' Nonetheless, I felt responsible, and if I could turn back time, would have kept my mouth shut about my own experiences with the so easily lethal mix of H & C. It just never occurred to me that my metabolism might be wired to withstand things others couldn't. There's a level on which I'll never forgive myself: like the wartime posters said, 'Careless lips cost lives.'

But he bought the powder, he bought the rock, he bought the H, and so far as anyone knows (the coroner's inquest suggested a call girl might have been present), did so alone. He was certainly aware of the risks, and was compelled to take them for reasons (he was due in court, as a lawyer, the next day, and hadn't seemed depressed or particularly reckless in the preceding months) I can only guess at. My conscience isn't clean - but he dirtied up his bloodstream by choice that night, and it might well have made no difference if he'd never met me. If you choose to use opiates, you know the dangers you're inviting: and while you did supply the morphine, she would have found it elsewhere if you hadn't been around.

I don't think legalities are an issue if there's been no autopsy, though I would make a point of disposing of any drugs in your possession that haven't been legally prescribed. As other posters have said, you clearly don't have the necessary detachment and coldness to sell opiates: and that speaks well of you as a human being. BUT...you weren't pushing: a, from-the-sounds-of-it, very sick woman took some morphine and died. Morphine may or may not have been the cause of death. But no-one who uses opiates in this culture has any illusions about their addictive properties, or the fact that they can kill. You had no control over her use, and seem to have been motivated by compassion as well as profit.

I'm not saying you should feel indifferent - you need to be honest with yourself about the guilt, acknowledge her responsibility for her death (though it may have been a sudden heart attack or the like that had nothing to do with opiates), and that you did, for mixed motives, provide her with potentially lethal medication. That doesn't make you a murderer, and I repeat, the morphine may well not have been the primary cause of death, if it contributed at all. You have to live with yourself, and it sounds like you can't do that and keep selling. But be careful: if anything will make the daughter and father turn on you, it might be refusal to sell. You may need to help them find proper pain-management supplies legitimately, if possible, explain how you feel, and that you just can't stand the thought of it happening again, to one of them. If nothing else, they should be able to find a prescription source of methadone, and from what I hear, a lot of chronic pain patients find it more useful in the long run than morphine or even heroin. You need to think carefully about how to extricate yourself from that situation - you don't want to supply them, but cutting them off will leave them in a world of hurt, and they might react very badly to being faced with sudden withdrawal.

In short, I can imagine, all too well, how you might feel: but you didn't kill anyone. That doesn't mean you should keep dealing, and you'll live with the guilt in perpetuity, but if people want opiates, they'll find them, and we're all responsible for our own drug intake. The months ahead won't be easy, and the shadow of this kind of thing doesn't lift, it only fades - but while you're not entirely innocent here, neither are you finally guilty. Think long and hard about how to get out of the position you're in with your remaining clients, taking as few risks as possible all around, and as others have said, learn the lesson: you're not, and don't want to be, a dealer. You need to stop selling, and help the family grieve, which probably includes helping them get proper medical assistance - not always easy.

It also sounds like this is, in part (and this isn't a moral get-out-of-jail-free card), the kind of situation that arises as a consequence of prohibition and the resulting reluctance of doctors to prescribe, unless they're pill mill quacks, painkillers as needed (I became an addict - that was my choice, but if provided with a legit supply of DHC, wouldn't have gone looking for black market painkillers, finding mostly morphine, fent, oxy and benzos - it wasn't the doc's fault I made a bunch of stupid choices, but when medical professionals won't alleviate your pain, you do what you have to in order to get by). They shouldn't have had to turn to you for meds they needed: and if they were using in part to get high, again, that was their choice.

You're in a terrible place, and have my sympathy and empathy: I'm still haunted by my friend's death. I repeat: you're not the killer, and you don't have the dealer's capacity for dissociation that's really a prerequisite for selling anything harder than weed, which shows that you're a human being, not some psycho on the corner selling bundles to any and all takers. You'll never feel good about this, and I think you need to withdraw from supplying friends as safely as you can for all concerned - but you shouldn't torture yourself any more than you can avoid. Learn the lesson, keep your morphine to yourself, and never forget: every pill or patch or line we take, the cigarette I'm about to smoke, the benzos I'm trying to taper off of, they are our/my choices, and blaming the person who gives us what we ask for if it goes wrong is childish and misconceived. You were trying to make some bucks and help some friends out, not flood the ghettoes with fentanyl.

There are tough nights ahead of you, but never lose sight of that fact: you gave her what she asked for, and everyone knows that morphine can kill. PM me if you want to talk or vent or just howl at a distance - and be both as honest, and as kind, to yourself and to her family as you can be.

A distant hug, for what it's worth: and if you can help it, don't start killing the pain of this by taking more morphine, though I know it might be difficult to resist with supplies on hand.

In sadness, and at least some understanding.

WW.
 
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If the opium you sold her was unadulterated, then you're not at fault. She should have known her own limit, health conditions, etc. If she didn't get it from you she would have gotten it from someone else. That's my personal opinion.

Karmically speaking you are responsible, but that doesn't mean you necessarily have done something wrong. For all you know her life was supposed to end and you were the vehicle, or you two had some kind of higher agreement for this to happen. It all comes down to spiritual beliefs, I guess.

Legally speaking, the law could fuck you over for this. If you're in the U.S., they are relentless.
 
Your not guilty at all. If they had not bought then off you they would have gotten them somewhere else. Once you buy drugs you waive any right to blame other people for what might happen.

I mean when i go and buy a poutine or something I'm not going to blame the take out if i have a heart attack from clogging up my arteries or whatever
 
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