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I think I just had a bad trip. Need advise.

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Hey guys,
I've been using this forum for the past couple of years on and off every time I needed to go somewhere for information.
I won't bother you with too much background detail and jump right into it. I have started taking psychedelics about a year and a .5 ago, and probably had several dozen trips over that period. I've dabbled with LSA, aMT, and most recently (today), 4-ace-dmt.
I used to think I was immune to bad trips, and never actually had one before. I felt like tryptamines are a god send, and never experienced anything but blissful peace and love. This time, I ordered 4-ace-dmt online as I was nearing a full 6 months period with no psychedelic drug use. I felt like my 'reservoir' got a little depleted, and wanted to refill it with those sweet psychedelic juices. I took ~7 mg, eager to start the experience. What followed were a couple of hours of hell. I don't know how it compares to other peoples' experience of a bad trip, but I do know I don't want to go through that ever again. I realize that for most people this dose wouldn't even produce effects, and while I experienced no notable visuals, my mind was definitely in tripland.
I managed to pull my shit together at some point, and things started to clear up after about two hours. I don't remember much, but my room is now in a complete mess, I found my glasses broken on the floor, and everything is really wet (I took about 20 showers trying to calm my self down). Oh, and also there's a notepad on my bed scribbled with "I love god" and what appears to be an attempt to spell my parents' names. Freaky, right?

Anyways, I figure I'm not the first person on here to have a bad trip, and so I want to hear from you about how to best integrate the experience. I'm pretty calm and composed now, but things feel a little bit off in my mind. I guess what I'm looking for is for someone to comfort me.
Also, I want to ask practical advise about smoking weed after a bad trip. I actually rolled up a joint while tripping, but couldn't bring myself to smoke it. I really want to smoke some now, but I'm too anxious it will re-trigger the trip's experience for me. Can anyone relate to how it felt smoking weed after a bad trip? Any ideas on how to proceed? Thanks.
 
I would like to suggest that what you took was not, in fact, 4-AcO-DMT. While I will not speculate and do not encourage anyone to speculate on what it might have been, if you are sure that you measured your dose accurately, I strongly recommend you do not take anything more from this batch of 4-AcO-DMT, and furthermore that you send it to a lab to be tested. If there's a bad or mislabeled batch of 4-AcO-DMT going around, this might affect more people than you. It's just quite unlikely for 7 milligrams of 4-AcO-DMT to produce a strong experience of any sort, good or bad.

If you're concerned about smoking weed, pack a bowl and take one hit at a time, waiting a few minutes between hits. If you start to feel uncomfortable, you've had enough, don't smoke any more.
 
Thanks for the reply. Ill try that with the bowl.
I find it however unlikely that my stuff isn't 4-ace-dmt. First of all, I got it from a good source. Secondly, the trip was unquestionably tryptaminic in quality. Once you get familiar with the mindspace, you can't mistake it for anything else. If I had to explain how such a small dose effected me so strongly, I would say that I either took more than I meant to (I have a cheap chinese scale, and the my eyeballing technique could probably use a tune up), or that my body reacted so strongly because of an underlying psychological cause (got plenty of those)

at any rate, thanks for the help man. Cheers.
 
Perhaps your body metabolised it exceptionally quickly ?
What's your body type, small ? Did the experience last many hours or was it all over quickly ?
 
Bad trips although usually caused by taking too much of a substance can happen on any dose. A mate of mine had a bad trip on about 0.7 grams of mushrooms when he usually took 2 grams or so. I have had a difficult experience before with 10mg of 4 ACO DMT where previously I had consumed about 20-30mg. with no problems.

A lot of the dosages people suggest on bluelight are ridiculously high , I would always take them with a pinch of salt and remember that people stating them could have a high tolerance to tryptamines or whatever. It is much safer to go with dosages stated in Tihkal or Pihkal
 
i too have had most of my bad trips on low dose lsd and tend to avoid low doses as they are usually more difficult for me

dmtlunatic said:
Is this another way of being a pedant?
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im not sure what you mean.
i was wondering if its the same substance. keep in mind that im no chemist.
 
ace could mean acetoxy lol generally it's called 4-aco-dmt though. Anyway, you should have measured with a proper scale, not a cheap chinese one, the difference between 7mg and 25mg isn't really that big (in terms of looking at it, not effects).

I think my only bad trips i've ever had out of hundreds of experiences were on 4-aco-dmt. It is just too damn dark and anxiogenic for me. It just flat out makes me panic and head for the shower to calm down. I didn't have any freak outs or anything, just got really depressed, thought life was pointless and had suicidal thoughts the whole time. The other times i just felt really anxious and had to take benzos to calm down. I've felt like i was too high and couldn't calm myself a few times before on 4-aco-dmt as well, that manic feeling.

I think it's best just to brush this off as being a part of this particular drug. Don't let it affect your view of other psychedelics because many of them won't trigger this reaction, at least IME. I don't know what it is about 4-aco-dmt but different batches, from different vendors have still given me issues. There's no real way to integrate the experience, it just happened, learn from it and move on.
 
wayab said:
was your substance 4-aco-dmt or 4-ace-dmt ? never read about 4-ace. is this another way of writing the same substance ?
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Don't be dense. It was a typo. The only thing "ace" stands for is "acetylcholinesterase", which is not a component of any drug, recreational or otherwise.

I would say that I either took more than I meant to (I have a cheap chinese scale, and the my eyeballing technique could probably use a tune up)
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Sounds likely. I wouldn't trust that scale anymore. 7 mg of 4-AcO-DMT simply shouldn't do a goddamn thing.
 
Hmmm, I encountered a similar experience to your about 6 months ago. me and a few friends dosed around 20mg, but I dosed one friend only 12mg due to her not wanting to trip hard as this would be her first actual trip (she did 2ci and was hardly affected). She came up super hard, and was caught in the same thought loop and only able to say the same sentence for hours. once she started coming down she would be lucid for about a min then go back into it and start saying the same thing again. She even realized it but could not will herself out of it. She blacked out for roughly two hours and at her peak asked me "Am I Dead". She said she was caught in 3 different timelines at the same time and couldn't differentiate which is the correct one. My dose of 20mg was rather a pretty weak trip so maybe some people have very weird reactions to this stuff. She tried it again at 10mg a few months later while rolling hoping that the mdma would overpower, and the same thing happened. She will no longer take anything that makes her trip and I do not blame her haha.

As for the reintegration all I can really say is you may want to give your mind a break, eat healthy and exercise. Perhaps avoid this chemical too. Can't really give advice on the weed as I have only had one "bad" trip and it was actually really beneficial to myself. been months since that day and I smoke weed fairly regularly. but did not smoke right after as I was exhausted
 
atara said:
I wouldn't trust that scale anymore. 7 mg of 4-AcO-DMT simply shouldn't do a goddamn thing.
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hmmmm I dunno, if you can get threshold effects from a dose as low as 7mg then I guess it's just as likely you could suffer unpleasant effects too. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there's more to it than that but it certainly IS possible, regardless of how unlikely.

Might be worth the effort of allowing a friend to sample the same dose, very carefully. Perhaps invest in a better scale too & check the weights on it comparing them with the old Chinese job?

I find this interesting as I've worked my way through 3 different 4-subs & I'm planning to try this 4-aco-dmt stuff soon. But I've read alot of reports & anecdotal experiences here with doses much higher than 7mg & began to assume that this particular 4-sub might be a little weaker than the others & may require a heavier dose. Now that I've looked a little closer, I see that in fact I should probably start with my usual low dose of 5mg & work my way up, if need be, from there. I usually dose low, see how the trip goes, then dose further, or larger if I'm happy enough.

Anyway, I digress. Hope the op is feeling a bit more grounded now, best wishes to all :)
 
Can't contribute much here. But apart from a few times, I've always found any rough periods on psychedelics are either always on a low dose or the tail end when the visuals are gone/faint. I think it's because you perceive yourself to be more sober than you actually are. Sometimes it's still a few hours early to attempt to change the track on your CD player.
 
You obviously weighed out 70 mg by mistake.
Time is great healer -- that's all I can say. Ride it out.........
 
Ive had quite a few overly intense aco dmt trips, but pretty much all over 100mg+

Its extremely hard for me to put into words what i thought was happening to me it was just unlike anything ive ever experienced on a psychedelic, 4 aco dmt is the only substance that ive had a truly spiritual experience on,

It felt like my mind and ego just totally dissolved inside my brain, i became the visuals i was experiencing and was no longer a physical being, on another trip it felt like the whole dimension of time was rewinding back to a single point which i was going to relive simultaneously for eternity and, it felt like my whole existence was a mere illusion, i forgot i had taken anything and was sure my time was up and this is what death feels like, i felt like i finally understood "everything".

I also always feel an overwhelming sense of connection to the universe.

The strangest part was coming back down, as i was aware of my surroundings but i still couldnt recall who i was or where i was.

This stuff is earth shatteringly intense at high doses

When i think back even just thinking about what i felt frightens me but at the time i never felt scared or frightened once, even though they were intense beyond comprehension, however i would never think of them as bad trips.

IMO those who have bad trips are those who try to cling on to reality, and do not want to see what psychedelics have got to show you.
 
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^ Most definitely. One thing I'll say is I highly warn people about even considering insane doses like 100mg+. I once took a dose of this level and had I not been physically restrained I would have attempted to kill myself as I thought I was trapped in some kind of limbo for eternity, only to be free if my body was killed. Scary shit, and it was what finally taught me a lesson that eyeballing simply isn't okay - even with the more physically benign substances like psychedelics. I'm just thankful people were around to save me from my mistake and now I've been treating psychedelics with a lot more respect ever since.

As for a strong bad trip at 7mg.. It does sound like your scales might be out, or that you're eyeballing (when I first weighed up this stuff after previously having always eyeballed I was astonished at how high the doses I was taking were. With many of my trips being in the 45-50+mg range when I thought I was taking ~30mg or so. If you were scaling it I'd be careful and re-calibrate your scales, but also consider mentally adding on +5mg to every dose you weigh up and taking that as the given dosage, to avoid accidentally taking too much if your scales aren't working too well.

I've noticed though even at tiny doses 4-AcO-DMT can be a real hard trip for a troubled mind. Do you suffer from anxiety or depression by any chance? My social anxiety became very severe two years ago and as such all my 4-AcO-DMT trips became terrifying experiences where I lay curled in the foetal position wishing it would end and feeling like a pathetic human being, unloved and uncared for, alone in the world, and felt the pain, sorrow and guilt for every bad thing I've ever experienced myself or done.

It really kicked my ass and I think a large part of that was I sort of expected it to cure me, I expected to take it, and wake up the next day confident and social, problem free, and get my life sorted out. Instead, it kept leading me to the water, showing me I had to face my fears, but instead I cowered away and didn't drink.

Last New Year's Eve I took a trip on AMT with my best friend and rather than expecting a cure from the drug I talked through my problems on it with him as if in therapy - and miraculously, that trip led to me finally beating my social anxiety for good, and I have a great life now :)

Tl;dr, if you have issues that you're trying to bury or scared to face, I either suggest avoiding psychedelics as the experience can sometimes be traumatic and make things worse - or if you do trip, trip with a close friend you really trust, and talk through it with them. Don't be afraid to open up, cry, whatever is necessary, just let it all out and let the recovery begin.

If however you're really positive there's no big problem in your life and you weren't dwelling on any hidden negative emotions during your trip, then maybe it's your environment. Do you live with parents for example? Or roommates who wouldn't approve? If so, don't trip under their roof, that's a disaster waiting to happen - imagine how much worse it'd have been if they walked in mid trip! If this is the case and you still want to trip, find a friend who lives alone and approves, and ask to stay at their place for the duration of the trip, then take an appropriate low dose and get them to sit you :)

Alternatively you might just have some negative stigma attached to your location at the time - I find if I'm inside and things get bad, going for a walk outside in nature with my MP3 player in (avoid busy roads etc though) is really calming and relaxing - and if I'm having a bad experience outside, going back in and making myself a nice cup of tea and sitting in a comfy chair, switching my computer on and playing some music/watching films is great. If things get bad, just change things up! :)

Hope this helps. Also, we have a dedicated thread for bad trips, which this'll be merged with once you've had a chance to reply.
 
Sounds like you did do 4-AcO-DMT at the modest dose you described as two hours is not a long time and my experience of dosing 80mg was much longer. The mind and brain is a powerful thing of its own making without adding psychedelics to the mix so situations like yours may be rare but they do happen. I did give up cannabis for a few weeks because I had minor residual headache-like side-effects I wanted to monitor but I was fine in the end. I think cannabis may help you though. Perhaps you could drink a weed tea for the CBD first before smoking.
 
i won't speculate if the substance was psilacetin or not, but to be honest: you are experienced with LSA and aMT. 4-AcO-DMT is a different substance with different effects. aMT, while being a tryptamine, works differently on your brain (for instance, it is a also serotonin releaser, which psilacetin is not, thus making the effects more euphoric), and LSA is not a tryptamine but an ergoline (like LSD, which is imo very different to mushrooms (the tryptamine psychedelic i have experiences with)).

maybe the effects were just not what you'd have expected, thus building the foundation for your freakout. 4-substituted tryptamines are more known to cause freakouts than LSD for instance.
 
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