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Pharma Ayahuasca

Burn.The.Witches

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So a friend was telling me that their sisters cousins boyfriend was at a festival and got offered some of this stuff. At the time they had other goodies and such, didn't take it. After speaking to a friend who seems to know their shit (more than them) about psyches; apparently they said that they would be very cautious about taking it. They said that you need to be real careful with what you eat because it can have a real bad reaction and magnify any possible food issues.

Has anybody experienced this stuff? Is it true that diet can affect it?

Also can anyone tell me how long it can be left in a little box before going off and if it's safe to consume after several months?

Finally, could anyone give us an idea as to what kind of trip duration can be expected? It was described as "Similar to DMT, not as intense, lasts longer than DMT but not as long as ayahuasca". That just made us think of 2CB. Correct thinking?

Thanking you :)
 
The diet aspect comes into play with the MAOI, you'll want to avoid any food that contains tyramine.
 
I would not buy ayahuasca from someone at a festival you do not know. I had to talk my little brother out of buying a brownish drink from someone at one because who knows what the fuck that is. Make friends with someone with dmt at a festival and have him cook some for you at least then you can assume its real.

And there is also a very long list of things you can not eat or drink on it. Anyone selling it needs a printed list so they don't unintentionally kill someone. Your friends on other "goodies" may have very well gotten extremely sick or died from it. Also it will be nothing like 2c-b and is most likely not a social or party drug, given dmt effects. Someday I might brew some, someday.
 
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Pharmahuasca is not sold at festivals except probably once or twice ever in world history.

Selling it would require a combination of pharmaceutical MAOI such as moclobemide and DMT. You would be getting a pill or two plus either pure DMT as this is how pharmahuasca is most conveniently taken.

Most likely someone was trying to pass of some tryptamine research psychedelic.
 
While i agree with whats already been said above, pharmahausca can also refer to extracted dmt/harmala alkaloids. At least over at the DMT nexus thats the consensus on what pharmahusaca means. Thats how i take aya, and call it pharmahuasca. I think a better term would be extracted ayahuasca vs. pharmahuasca, but memes will be memes.

But RC trypt/pharmaceutical maoi combos, be very fucking careful. Even DMT and moclobemide, and other pharma maois sketch me out bigtime. The closest i will get to synthetic huascas, is 4-aco-dmt with caapi or rue alkaloids, which is fairly identical to psilohuasca.

In any case, unless you extract it yourself & call it pharma, or know for sure its just extracted dmt/harmalas i would not take it.
 
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The person it came from was apparently a highly reputable source that a good friend of ours is currently in a relationship with. The people I know who introduced them are also experienced trippers and users and all spoke highly of other products they made (I'm not sure if they have had any of the above, but all recommended other products of theirs). It was a small festie of friends and mutual friends. It wasn't purchased from some random character that's not to be seen again; which is what gave my friend the confidence to buy in the first place.

It came in a small capsule with a kinda red substance stuck to the internal periphery of one end, some goldy/yellow specs (I presume are the DMT) with what looks like some greeny/brown bits in it too. It's kinda hard to see through the capsule.
If it were to be taken; would it be a bad idea to do it on an empty stomach to avoid any dietary conflicts?

The thing that made me think of 2c as a comparison was the "not as intense as DMT, not as long lived as ayha". We're aware that it's probably a totally different game. I was under the impression that the 2c range was made to sort of "simulate" the effects of DMT. Have I been misinformed?
 
The person it came from was apparently a highly reputable source that a good friend of ours is currently in a relationship with. The people I know who introduced them are also experienced trippers and users and all spoke highly of other products they made (I'm not sure if they have had any of the above, but all recommended other products of theirs). It was a small festie of friends and mutual friends. It wasn't purchased from some random character that's not to be seen again; which is what gave my friend the confidence to buy in the first place.

It came in a small capsule with a kinda red substance stuck to the internal periphery of one end, some goldy/yellow specs (I presume are the DMT) with what looks like some greeny/brown bits in it too. It's kinda hard to see through the capsule.
If it were to be taken; would it be a bad idea to do it on an empty stomach to avoid any dietary conflicts?

The thing that made me think of 2c as a comparison was the "not as intense as DMT, not as long lived as ayha". We're aware that it's probably a totally different game. I was under the impression that the 2c range was made to sort of "simulate" the effects of DMT. Have I been misinformed?

Its really impossible to ID it visually, harmama freebase alkaoids are white, and usually flourescent yellow as the hcl/fumarate salts. Dmt can either be from white to yellow/orange waxy chunks/crystals as the freebase, to a solid white/yellow crystalline salt as the fumarate, a goo as the acetate, or an oil as the hcl. Don't try and id it visually.

I agree that its not as intense as dmt, and less long lived as aya, but nothing like 2c-x's ime. Maoi's/trypts are just something unique in and of themselves, i can't find comparisons to any other psychedelic's I've tried. I would say that oral harmala's and dmt is easier than vaporized dmt/or 4-aco/ho-dmt by itself, something about the harmalas just smooth out the rough edges for me. Same with oral/vaporized harmalas before low doses of vaporized dmt.

2c-x's were made as mescaline derivatives, and imho most of them are in mescaline territory, but a far cry from 3,4,5 pea's like mescaline/mescaline analogs. I think they are nothing like dmt/aya. 2c-x's are more pureative serotonin agonists than mescaline, but they just seem a whole lot less deep, euphoric, and warm than mescaline. Its hard to draw comparisons between the two, but if i had to i'd say mescaline is to 2c-x's, as ayahuasca is to vaporized dmt/4-subs. The latter of each comparison being rougher, and less useful than the exotic pharmacology of mescaline, and harmala alkaloids w/ tryptamines.

By that i mean pureative serotonin agonists like the 2c-x's for the most part, (thios are kindy something else), and dmt/4-subs seem edgier than the more full spectrum neurochemical affects of mescaline or aya, or lsd for that matter. They are far from just serotonin agonists, and to me thats why i think they are more useful personally. Perhaps thats why i don't care much for nbomes, being such selective towards just a few serotonin receptors they agonize.
 
if it were to be taken; would it be a bad idea to do it on an empty stomach to avoid any dietary conflicts?

No because the compounds you are trying to avoid, such as tryptophan (I think), have half lives like all drugs. You need to be clean from them for a certain amount of time. Even if you are hungry that doesnt mean you are clear of danger. I'm not trying to discourage you but MAOIs are not to be screwed with unless you take the proper meassures. There's a long list of foods and medications you can not take and you must take into account their respective half lives.

Also though I've never done ayahuasca I highly doubt it would be like 2c-x compounds. They don't even have a similar structure or activity. It should produce a trip close to the classic dmt trip almost like a sub breakthrough dose. Remember I have never done it but I'm very experienced in all doses of dmt freebase vaporized.
 
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The person it came from was apparently a highly reputable source that a good friend of ours is currently in a relationship with. The people I know who introduced them are also experienced trippers and users and all spoke highly of other products they made (I'm not sure if they have had any of the above, but all recommended other products of theirs). It was a small festie of friends and mutual friends. It wasn't purchased from some random character that's not to be seen again; which is what gave my friend the confidence to buy in the first place.

It came in a small capsule with a kinda red substance stuck to the internal periphery of one end, some goldy/yellow specs (I presume are the DMT) with what looks like some greeny/brown bits in it too. It's kinda hard to see through the capsule.

It's completely impossible to identify what you have there by describing it, and for that very reason ID threads aren't allowed here. That said, I think it's safe to assume that it's probably a mix of extracted harmala alkaloids (harmaline/harmine) and extracted DMT (or possibly another tryptamine) as this is also what is inside an ayahuasca brew.
Since you kind of know the person you bought it from, and who apparently made the extraction, I'd say it's pretty safe to consume. Otherwise I would have been inclined to agree with Bluedolphin who said it might be some unknown RC tryptamine.

If it were to be taken; would it be a bad idea to do it on an empty stomach to avoid any dietary conflicts?
So, there's definitely a Reversible inhibitor of monoamine oxidase A (also known as RIMA) in your capsule.
http://en.wikipedia.org/RIMA

What you can, and cannot eat is highly exaggerated. These misunderstanding has come because there are different MAOI's. And it's the MAOI's that inhibit MAO-B that have severe restrictions on food.
When ingesting a MAOI-A, what you want to avoid is any kind of other drug, especially stimulants and entactogens (speed, MDMA, cocaine etc). You would also want to avoid serotonin releasing anti-depressants like SSRI's.
If you're on any kind of medication, check up on if there are any known counter indications with MAOI's.

Then again, you don't know what you have there in your capsule, and it's better to be safe than sorry, so I'd suggest that you avoid any kind of tyramine containing food ,listed here, at least 24 hours prior, during and after tripping.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/maois/maois_info2.shtml

And yeah, an empty stomach is not a bad idea, as it might make the nausea less and improve absorption of the drugs from the stomach.

More about MAOI's you should read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/Monoamine_oxidase_inhibitor


The thing that made me think of 2c as a comparison was the "not as intense as DMT, not as long lived as ayha". We're aware that it's probably a totally different game. I was under the impression that the 2c range was made to sort of "simulate" the effects of DMT. Have I been misinformed?

^Yes, you have been misinformed. The 2C's belong to a totally diferent group of psychedelics than DMT, called phenethylamines.
phenethylamines work as psychedelics because they somewhat resemble the neuro-transmitter dopamine.
Mescaline cacti is THE nr.1 psychedelic phenethylamine found in nature, and the one from which all other psychedelic phenethylamines has been developed from.

The phenethylamines class includes: 2C-X, DO-X, cathinones (like mephedrone) Amphetamines (like 4-FA) and Mescaline analogs like Allylescaline.

DMT belongs to a group of psychedelics called tryptamines. Tryptamines work as psychedelics because they somewhat resemble the neuro-transmitter serotonin.

Psylocybin mushrooms is THE nr.1 psychedelic tryptamine found in nature, and the one from which all other psychedelic tryptamines has been developed from. (well, that and DMT)

Most research chemical tryptamines end with a "T". 4-aco-dmt, 5-meo-mipt, 4-ho-dipt, 5-meo-dalt etc.

You got to learn to use erowid.org/wikipedia/google. You seem to be lacking basic knowledge about psychedelics.

Good luck and have fun. Be sure to report back how your trip was :)
 
Also can anyone tell me how long it can be left in a little box before going off and if it's safe to consume after several months?

Finally, could anyone give us an idea as to what kind of trip duration can be expected?

It's just as safe to consume after some months as when it was fresh. It might loose potency though, impossible to say when we don't know what it is.

Duration:

in between these 2

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt_effects.shtml

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasca_effects.shtml

so probably 2-3 hours.
 
^^ if it was pharmahuasca, the vendor was simply bullshitting about the duration

in all cases, "lasts longer than DMT but not as long as ayahuasca" is a damn weak way to tell its duration as it means "more than 5 minutes but less than 6-8 hours"
wow, thanks for being so precise... and taking me for an imbecile by using such uninformative selling arguments
 
Anyone with a clue would keep the MAOI and DMT seperate - you need to take the MAOI 45mins before the DMT otherwise a lot of the DMT is going to get deactivated before the MAOI has started to work.

Pharmahuasca lasts just as long as ayahuasca, there's no real difference. If you use an MAOI like moclobemide you cut back on the nausea a little.
 
Anyone with a clue would keep the MAOI and DMT seperate - you need to take the MAOI 45mins before the DMT otherwise a lot of the DMT is going to get deactivated before the MAOI has started to work.
Sure, of cause. Like in an ayahuasca brew ;)
 
Steady on Fag - I didn't say it doesn't work, it just isn't as strong as it could be.
 
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