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Everyone here - there's nothing there

Sweetshare

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Everything here - there's nothing there

"Everything here - there's nothing there." - what do you think about this philosophy statement?

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Nowhere
Now here

Also ;)

Good question -- I could argue it from both sides at the same time, personally.
 
Heaven and hell here on earth. I mean, for all their sins we answer in this life, and not after it.
 
No, there's plenty over there. Look, there's all that stuff. Eggs and glue and guns and birds and bread. Just over there. No there, where my finger's pointing.
 
Right on brother!

In the beginning was the word
And the word was God
And the word was with God

Too easy -- either way!
 
webbykevin said:
and mine is too cold said the mummy bear.
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I totally get what you're saying; I've felt like that in the past. I think it has something to do with it being only a partial agonist (as the OP mentioned) -- good point, though!

mummy bear said:
equilateral goose party
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Well, there I will have to agree with you I'm afraid -- you're welcome to your opinion, though; but in my experience it is at best a partial agonist, as I have already said.
 
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Geographically, I don't know what you're talking about dudes... I'd need some coordinates to see if there's anything here or there.. Lololol.
 
Would you like some Cartesian coordinates-- or something from before the time that Rene Descartes invented the concept of three dimensional space?
 
If I read it correct, that there is nothing out there and we are here for no apparent reason - I agree. I will add a quote:

We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here.

― Richard Dawkins
 
steingalkrs said:
If I read it correct, that there is nothing out there and we are here for no apparent reason - I agree. I will add a quote:

We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here.

― Richard Dawkins
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I agree with the general thrust of your argument, however I have some minor points to raise: It concerns the second third, and fifth statements, which I couldn't possible agree with, owing to my worldview. The psychedelic experience meshed in with that possibly creates the illusion that that is a contradictory position to take - I assure you that it isn't and - as the OP stated very eloquently, there is perhaps more to consider here than meets the eye. That raises further questions in the here and now - nowhere is now here and so it creates yet further complications as stated by the poster 3 or 4 places above you.

Ineffable14 said:
"As the patterns become more intricate and subtle, being swept along is no longer enough"
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^This. I couldn't have said it better myself!

webbykevin said:
and mine is too cold said the mummy bear.
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What a stupid contribution! If you don't understand the question then please refrain from posting. Everyone else has managed to make a sensible contribution. This thread derailing is getting more common, I've noticed, and I like one little bit.
 
""Did you," so he asked him at one time, "did you too learn that secret
from the river: that there is no time?"
Vasudeva's face was filled with a bright smile.
"Yes, Siddhartha," he spoke. "It is this what you mean, isn't it: that the
river is everywhere at once, at the source and at the mouth, at the waterfall,
at the ferry, at the rapids, in the sea, in the mountains, everywhere at
once, and that there is only the present time for it, not the shadow of the
past, not the shadow of the future?"
"This it is," said Siddhartha. "And when I had learned it, I looked at
my life, and it was also a river, and the boy Siddhartha was only separated
from the man Siddhartha and from the old man Siddhartha by a
shadow, not by something real. Also, Siddhartha's previous births were
no past, and his death and his return to Brahma was no future. Nothing
was, nothing will be; everything is, everything has existence and is
present." "

From the book of Siddhartha, I'm no philosopher but I think it's what you mean.
 
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