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Benadryl potentiates Codeine or does opposite ?

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So Ive done a few opiates and i know benadryl definately takes away the itch and even makes the high a little better and stronger but recently ive been reading alot that apparently codeine is one of the few opiates, that is not potentiated by Benadryl but made weaker instead and less effective.

Is this true, has anyone here had a stronger codeine effece or worse when taking 25-50mg benadryl before ?
 
You have to take it after the codeine has been metabolized into morphine (aka when you're feeling the effects.) if you want added sedation. If you do it like that you will potentiate the codeine high a bit. If you take it beforehand it prevents some codeine from converting to morphine in the liver.

It's not a good codeine potentiator, I'd take codeine without dph because it doesn't add opiate effects, just the anti-histamine's sedation on top of the codeine. (And only if you take it after the codeine is already working.)
 
You have to take it after the codeine has been metabolized into morphine (aka when you're feeling the effects.) if you want added sedation. If you do it like that you will potentiate the codeine high a bit. If you take it beforehand it prevents some codeine from converting to morphine in the liver.

It's not a good codeine potentiator, I'd take codeine without dph because it doesn't add opiate effects, just the anti-histamine's sedation on top of the codeine. (And only if you take it after the codeine is already working.)

This further explains it.

The conversion of codeine to morphine occurs in the liver and is catalysed by the cytochrome P450 enzyme CYP2D6. CYP3A4 produces norcodeine and UGT2B7 conjugates codeine, norcodeine, and morphine to the corresponding 3- and 6- glucuronides. Approximately 6–10% of the Caucasians, 2% of Asians, and 1% of Arabs[15] are "poor metabolizers"; they have little CYP2D6, and codeine is less effective for analgesia in these patients (Rossi, 2004). Srinivasan, Wielbo and Tebbett speculate that codeine-6-glucuronide is responsible for a large percentage of the analgesia of codeine, and, thus, these patients should experience some analgesia.[16] Many of the adverse effects will still be experienced in poor metabolizers. Conversely, 0.5-2% of the population are "extensive metabolizers"; multiple copies of the gene for 2D6 produce high levels of CYP2D6 and will metabolize drugs through that pathway more quickly than others.

Some medications are CYP2D6 inhibitors and reduce or even completely block the conversion of codeine to morphine. The most well-known of these are two of the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, paroxetine (Paxil) and fluoxetine (Prozac) as well as the antihistamine diphenhydramine and the antidepressant, buproprion (Wellbutrin, also known as Zyban). Other drugs, such as rifampicin and dexamethasone, induce CYP450 isozymes and thus increase the conversion rate.

Since codeine is a prodrug, metabolism differences have the opposite effect. Thus an extensive metabolizer may have adverse effects from a rapid buildup of codeine metabolites while a poor metabolizer may get little or no pain relief. CYP2D6 is dysfunctional in 7% of white and black Americans, resulting in reduced metabolism of codeine. Other individuals may have two or more copies of the CYP2D6 gene, resulting in rapid metabolism of the target drug. CYP2D6 metabolizes and activates codeine into morphine, which then undergoes glucuronidation. Life-threatening intoxication, including respiratory depression requiring intubation, can develop over a matter of days in patients who have multiple functional alleles of CYP2D6, resulting in ultra-rapid metabolism of opioids such as codeine into morphine (source).


I was going to look into the individual sources used by Wikipedia and quote from there but it's easier to post the compilation of these articles that wiki did and you can click on the sources on the wiki page if you want. I'm just mentioning that because some people question the validity of stuff on there, but the scientific articles are sourced on there so it should be consistent with the information in them.
 
^despite this, you can take diphenhydramine (benadryl) with or before a big dose of codeine and i can guarantee it will hit stronger than the codeine alone. Of course this is with my metabolism but i used to get really high from under 100mg of codeine when i started out so i think i convert properly. My reasoning for this is that the conversion to morphine is not necessarily the source of the high that one feels from codeine. This has been discussed plenty of times but from experience C6G seems to be responsible for most of the effects, given that benadryl should stop the conversion to morphine yet does not prevent the high. Of course this may vary between users, just my experience.
 
I have used Promethazine in the range of 25mg to 50mg to potentiate Codeine. It is a sedative anti-histamine, thus the effects are similiar to Benadryl, when taken on their own. But with regards to Codeine, Promethazine is meant to be a TRUE POTENTIATOR, meaning studies have shown that it helps Codeine convert into Morphine if it is administered before the Codeine is taken. The reason why I am telling you this is because it is meant to be way better than Benadryl to potentiate, and I have EXTENSIVE experience with using it.

In my experiences I have found, that if it is taken about 30 minutes before the Codeine is administered, it sort of doesn't let you feel that initial lift in Euphoria Codeine gives. It pisses on the high, in other words. If I take it together at the same time, it is better but still comes on early, and ruines the natural opiate feel. I made a ritual, that was most effective IME. I dosed with the Codeine, then after a few hours when I would get bored, I would take the anti-histamine and it would change the high, into a noddy one.

This is scientifically in-accurate though, and this is in my experience, but I reckon anti-histamines shit on the euphoria of opiates if taken before or even with the dose. Wait until a few hours after, and this is coming from using an anti-histamine that is regarded as a true potentiator, imagine how much more Benadryl would suck...
 
Yeah teological the problem kinda is the histamine relese for me though. I cannnnot take a dose of codeione over 100mg without getting a pretty severe itch, but when i take 1 or 2 benadryls before it helps alot but seems to reduce the high a bit. How long after i take the codeine should i take the benadryl so that theres time for the codeine to convert to morphine ?
 
^despite this, you can take diphenhydramine (benadryl) with or before a big dose of codeine and i can guarantee it will hit stronger than the codeine alone. Of course this is with my metabolism but i used to get really high from under 100mg of codeine when i started out so i think i convert properly. My reasoning for this is that the conversion to morphine is not necessarily the source of the high that one feels from codeine. This has been discussed plenty of times but from experience C6G seems to be responsible for most of the effects, given that benadryl should stop the conversion to morphine yet does not prevent the high. Of course this may vary between users, just my experience.

Well Ive taken codeine while also taking bupropion which is a pretty strong cyp 2d6 enzyme inhibitor and i still felt the effects of the codeine. So either i am a really good metabolizer or that enzyme is not responsible for most of the effects of codeine. Ive also taken it before and the same time as taking diphenhydramine as well and it worked fine.
 
damnn codeinee i wish i just had some beautiful OXYYCODONE loll. iam tired of this weak super itch causing codeine......
 
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