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Biggest load of bullshit ive ever herd, how can you say that? first of all it is NOT as easy as serotonin is mdma and meth is dopamine its way more complicated than that. and meth will fuck you up just as much if not more because of how addictive it is.

I think its quite a complex argument. In many ways you cant say one is worse than the other as they have different negatives.

I am properly fucked up from MDMA and I mean properly. I know others who are equally fucked up on Meth. The only thing that seems to differ is the way you are fucked up.

Yes you are right meth has the additional bonus of addiction which MDMA does not share.

Which ever way you look at it the OP will get properly frazzled with the current proposals.

I also agree lets assume they are not trolling. Welcome to BL my friend. I do agree however the post reads a little crazy :D
 
Well i would say im "fucked up" from mdma, i abused it from around 2003-2010 every weekend with out fail 3-4 pills each time minimum sometimes backing it up the next night, my personal experience i dont have depression, i kept my well paying job that whole time, i have a beautiful fiancée, own my own house etc. all of my friends that i used to party with but they turned to meth are jobless, addicted and going nowhere but an early grave. you can barely hold a conversation with them and they are all of a sudden huge conspiracy theorists. all of my friends that barely touched meth are just like me and still moving forward with life just a little damaged from the mdma.

This is my personal experience so when i here people saying taking meth would be better i call bullshit.
 
to the original post, i used it everyday for a month, and continued use at 4 nights a week for a couple more months, at rolling levels and it wasnt healthy and i wouldnt recommend it. that being said, i had alot of fun, and mentally i got out of it pretty unscathed, definitely had a different outlook on life afterwords.
permanent visuals though
 
Just don't fuck around with amphetamines in general on a daily basis imho, unless its for medical reasons and absolutely necessary. Releasing agents are just no good in the first place, and unless treated carefully they will burn you hard. Meth, amps, Rc amps, MDMA/entactogens. Really handy in a pinch or very ocassionally with the entactogens, but overall they just seem too toxic to use daily no matter what the dose imho.

Better off with re-uptake inhibitor stimulants, and stuff thats way less acutely neurotoxic if it works for you.

As far as entactogens, yeah mdma more often than whats necessary is always something your going to want to do, but its just not worth the short term benefits, your going to be paying for the next few days/weeks/months depending on how much you abuse it. I feel the same way about any serotonin releaser entactogens though, RC's, MDA, AMT, etc.

Better off with low-med doses of mescaline and the light 2c-x's if your going to use on any kind of regular basis (2x month max ime). You get a similar entactogenic vibe from them dosed right, and at least with mescaline its fairly euphoric ime. 2c-c and 2c-b are also great used this way. Usually its low/medium doses, and you get mild entactogen affects without alot of trippiness. Mescaline hcl @ 200-250mg is perfect for this imho, and the duration makes it an all day thing, which for me is great, and its just where the trippiness begins, but is entirely manageable in almost any situation. Low dose lsd can do this to a mild degree as well, but nothing special. 5-meo-mipt is mildly entactogenic as well, and pretty nice stuff, although a bit trippy. 2c-d is good at low doses for cognitive enhancement, light entactogenic affects, light euphoria, and is used by some at low low doses as a nootropic. Its a little more psychedelic compared to 2c-c/b though, i much prefer those two for entactogenic affects. I'd say its more mescaline/lsd territory than the imho, light/easy psychedelic 2c-x's. 2c-i is great as well, but i find it a bit rough/stimulating, although at the right dose fairly easy to handle yourself on and have a good time.

Just some suggestions for much less toxic alternatives to mdxx entactogenic amphetamines/cathinones/amt. Usable on a more regular basis, and most of the negative affects of mdxx's either aren't present (both during the exp and afterwards), or very mild. Just don't be taking any of these everyday, my max with phen psychs is 2x a month. If i want 2 trypt trips as well, but thats pushing my limits. Most of the time they are lower doses though, for the entactogenic affects.
 
Just stop and use your brain! Mdma should not be taken that frequently, you're supposed to take months off between use to allow your serotonin and dopamine levels to get back to normal. Remember- What goes up, most come down. The longer you are up- the shitter/ worse of a comedown you will have.
 
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Biggest load of bullshit ive ever herd, how can you say that? first of all it is NOT as easy as serotonin is mdma and meth is dopamine its way more complicated than that. and meth will fuck you up just as much if not more because of how addictive it is.

To be fair, I meant taking methamphetamine orally. Smoking it is simply too addictive for anyone to be able to practice harm reduction... the nature of the drug makes you want to stay up all night without eating and blow through your whole stash...... that doesn't happen as much when you take it orally.

You can take speed once a week, every week, for a very long time and come out relatively OK... but if you take MDMA weekly you will come out FUCKED UP, as is what happened in my case. That's the case because dopamine is able to regenerate in a few weeks, where serotonin can take months to get back to base levels.... that's the point I was trying to make.



From personal experience, I can still go on an amphetamine binge in this state and come out relatively alright as long as I get sleep and eat... but if I take even a pinch more than like 200mg of MDMA I'm fucked for the next week or two, and it takes like a month to be back to normal. Both drugs are very bad to abuse, but if you're going to use MDMA everyday your honestly better off taking meth.... that should just tell you something about how bad it is... I'm not trying to glorify meth, that shit will ruin your life too.
 
Just stop and use your brain! Mdma should not be taken that frequently, you're supposed to take months off between use to allow your serotonin and dopamine levels get back to normal. Remember- What goes up, most come down. The longer you are up- the shitter/ worse of a comedown you will have.

Totally agree here. One thing i have taken away from amphetamine use, entactogen or otherwise, is that whatever it gives you, its taking from somewhere. Whether we are talking about dextroamp, methamp, 4-amps, mdxx's, etc. They merely move around happiness/energy/wakefulness, and when the drug wears off you need to replenish what was taken in advance. For people who binge on amphetamines, that means you need a lot of sleep, food, water, nutrients, etc. For mdma, its basically the same if used irresponsibly, except with the added fun of being depressive and ime anti-social/anxious. Pretty much the kind of relief mdma use provides in the first place.

Not to rag on amp usage, because used responsibly the risks are minimal, just if you don't realize this and dose too often, it will catch up to you big-time, mentally, physically, and emotionally. They just stimulate the usage of what you already have, and when the drugs wear off, your left depleted. Thats to be expected though, theres no such thing as a free lunch.

Micro-doseing mdma daily could end up slowly doing that until you reach a breaking point where the harm becomes noticeable, and your serotonin system is not functioning naturally due to it being on acute-overdrive all the time. When people talk about taking mdma daily its just sad. If you need the drug to feel normal, somethings wrong, and mdma is only going to be like a benzo, masking the issues, and when you discontinue use, it all comes rolling back worse than before in regards to whatever you were using the drug to self medicate for. Treats the symptoms, worsens the cause when abused. Like taking amphetamines chronically for fatigue.
 
Well i would say im "fucked up" from mdma, i abused it from around 2003-2010 every weekend with out fail 3-4 pills each time minimum sometimes backing it up the next night, my personal experience i dont have depression, i kept my well paying job that whole time, i have a beautiful fiancée, own my own house etc. all of my friends that i used to party with but they turned to meth are jobless, addicted and going nowhere but an early grave. you can barely hold a conversation with them and they are all of a sudden huge conspiracy theorists. all of my friends that barely touched meth are just like me and still moving forward with life just a little damaged from the mdma.

This is my personal experience so when i here people saying taking meth would be better i call bullshit.

I think the original point was made in regards to the OP taking 3-4 lines a day and wondering is this okay?

Smoke meth everyday or rail MDMA everyday? Choose your poison. Neither is going to be good for you. As to which one would be worse we could only speculate.

I would be quite certain if you had done the same level of daily MDMA abuse you would be in a similiar state and the happy outcome you describe might be something very different.

My point is that saying either drug is better is a poor choice as they both are very different and present different types of problems and dangers.
 
Totally agree here. One thing i have taken away from amphetamine use, entactogen or otherwise, is that whatever it gives you, its taking from somewhere. Whether we are talking about dextroamp, methamp, 4-amps, mdxx's, etc. They merely move around happiness/energy/wakefulness, and when the drug wears off you need to replenish what was taken in advance. For people who binge on amphetamines, that means you need a lot of sleep, food, water, nutrients, etc. For mdma, its basically the same if used irresponsibly, except with the added fun of being depressive and ime anti-social/anxious. Pretty much the kind of relief mdma use provides in the first place.

Not to rag on amp usage, because used responsibly the risks are minimal, just if you don't realize this and dose too often, it will catch up to you big-time, mentally, physically, and emotionally. They just stimulate the usage of what you already have, and when the drugs wear off, your left depleted. Thats to be expected though, theres no such thing as a free lunch.

Micro-doseing mdma daily could end up slowly doing that until you reach a breaking point where the harm becomes noticeable, and your serotonin system is not functioning naturally due to it being on acute-overdrive all the time. When people talk about taking mdma daily its just sad. If you need the drug to feel normal, somethings wrong, and mdma is only going to be like a benzo, masking the issues, and when you discontinue use, it all comes rolling back worse than before in regards to whatever you were using the drug to self medicate for. Treats the symptoms, worsens the cause when abused. Like taking amphetamines chronically for fatigue.

^^ Nice post. Good points raised.
 
Errr what? Standing in the sun is bad for you in the long run. Walking out the front door is risky business.

No, he's completely right. Monthly abuse of MDMA will lead to diminished serotonin levels and 5-HT down regulation just like any other kind of abuse of MDMA will.. it will be a bit slower, but you'll likely start to notice the negative effects after 3-4 rolls if you're doing it once a month. Comedowns will be harsher and you'll get less high... that's the first sign of lowered serotonin levels. Emotional distress comes after that.



Ask ED's own Moderator Darksidesam.. he used every 30 days or so, then had to switch to 60 days due to the problems he was getting from it.. now he doesn't roll at all.



Alexander Shulgin recommends 3 months in between every roll, although studies have shown that the chemical required for our brains to produce serotonin is shut down after taking MDMA, and that it takes 3 months for you to even begin producing more serotonin to make up for what was lost, and it can take 6 months to 3+ years to fully recover...

Unfortunately I'm forgetting what this chemical building block for serotonin is called... something like TPH..? There's a study out there somewhere though.
 
Alexander Shulgin recommends 3 months in between every roll, although studies have shown that the chemical required for our brains to produce serotonin is shut down after taking MDMA, and that it takes 3 months for you to even begin producing more serotonin to make up for what was lost, and it can take 6 months to 3+ years to fully recover...

I see this quoted all over this site with no source. could someone please supply one? (not that i don't believe it, it just always comes up)

And the part where you said it takes 3 months to produce ANY serotonin is bullshit. if we had no serotonin left in your body you WILL DIE, it may be depleted but it will never be all gone and not producing.
 
I never said it would be all gone, I said it can get severely diminished... don't split hairs. I'm well aware that you will fall into Serotonin Syndrome before you can deplete ALL of your serotonin, that doesn't make what I said any less relevant however. I wish I could find the study, but it said this neurochemical/transmitter that was required to produce Serotonin is shut down for about three months after every roll


Unfortunately, I can't find the specific link to what Shulgin said either... but it's out there as well lol
 
I would say the issue is more to do with the transmission network than the actual lack of serotonin. I think these long term comedowns are indicitive of that.

I have been trying everything since September last year with tryptophan rich food, L tryptophan supps, 5HTP all to no avail. The bzp and MDMA has frazzled something beyond serotonin quantity me feels.
 
You'll get better futura, no one knows exactly how the brain works. But those of us who have messed around with MDMA and noticed negative effects can say that serotonin comes back at a MUCH slower pace then 1 month or even 3 months. That's why when i say if you wanna roll on this site, 3 months is the Minimum and 1 month is considered abuse imo. Now i am not promoting meth in any manor, that shit is extremely addictive. I don't even like stimulants that much and meth grabbed a hold of me for a short period of time, but me being educated on the subject decided to throw the rest down the drain and have been off it ever since. I was merely pointing out, without addiction potential. If you are gonna roll every day, you may as well do meth every day instead because it is less damaging FACT! Your dopamine replenishes at quicker rates , and i think your brain stores much more dopamine than it does serotonin. That's why people who have used meth for years can still get semi high when using it every day. Try that with mdma, you'll be lucky if you get a decent high after your 3rd time in a row. It will be mostly nor epinephrine and dopamine that's being released instead of serotonin.
 
No, he's completely right. Monthly abuse of MDMA will lead to diminished serotonin levels and 5-HT down regulation just like any other kind of abuse of MDMA will.. it will be a bit slower, but you'll likely start to notice the negative effects after 3-4 rolls if you're doing it once a month. Comedowns will be harsher and you'll get less high... that's the first sign of lowered serotonin levels. Emotional distress comes after that.



Ask ED's own Moderator Darksidesam.. he used every 30 days or so, then had to switch to 60 days due to the problems he was getting from it.. now he doesn't roll at all.



Alexander Shulgin recommends 3 months in between every roll, although studies have shown that the chemical required for our brains to produce serotonin is shut down after taking MDMA, and that it takes 3 months for you to even begin producing more serotonin to make up for what was lost, and it can take 6 months to 3+ years to fully recover...

Unfortunately I'm forgetting what this chemical building block for serotonin is called... something like TPH..? There's a study out there somewhere though.

i think everyones head is a little different and thats a good thing. so just because it takes whoever so long doesnt mean their timeline effects me the same, you the same, or anyone else the same although its a big place so...

its horses for courses! everyone reacts differently. in saying that though there is no way i would dose more than once a month now but thats just me personally
 
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